whites are the real immigrants, are they not?

[alphamale]

Yeah, you can immigrate here as long as you have the cash. Otherwise a green card isn't in your future. So much for the tried, poor, huddled masses...yearning to breathe free.

The famous poem whose last 5 lines are on the statue of liberty was never intended to there. It's only there because Georgina Schuyler, a new york patron of the arts, liked the poem and used her influence to get it on the pedestal - no vote of the people or act of congress approved it. The name of the statue, given by its sculptor Bartholdi, is "Liberty Enlightening the World". His intention was that it would be a symbol to the people of eastern european countries still battling oppression to stand and fight. Lazarus turned this on its head by suggesting they bail and come to the U.S. The people of Mexico live poor lives because, inspite of huge oil wealth, they are ruled by essentially a corrupt oligarchy - they too should stand and fight in their own country, instead of avoiding needed reform by dumping their "masses" on the U.S.

 

[alphamale]

Paleo-anthropology holds that homo-sapiens originated in Africa - everyone everywhere else is the descendant of immigrants.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

How wrong you are. TRUTH HURTS.

As a great man once said,

I don't recall no indians writin' out no visas!!!!

How wrong you are. TRUTH HURTS.

And land is handed out in an orderly way. It doesn't go to the first people you get there, but the second. People who come after? Screw them, they're immigrants.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

As a great man once said,

I don't recall no indians writin' out no visas!!!!



And land is handed out in an orderly way. It doesn't go to the first people you get there, but the second. People who come after? Screw them, they're immigrants.

Wow you're so cool changing my name. Tell me genius is "Realm of stuff" the best you could come up with? lol. I see that the US educational system has neglected studies in philosophy. I won't even bother explaining what my name actually means, you probably couldn't comprehend it anyway.

As for the Indians, they immigrated to North America just everyone else did. The United States of America came into existence through Europeans not through Indians, not through Mexicans, not through any South American tribe.

When a nation is formed, whatever is built within that nation belongs first to the people that built it, and second to the decendants of those who built it. Land by itself is not worth very much. It is the culture and group of people that settle the land and build up the land that make it either a 3rd world garbage dump, or a first world nation of wealth.

The Europeans are the greatest civilization builders in the history of the world. Nearly all of the worlds greatest civilizations have been created wherever Europeans have settled. Whether it be France, England, Spain, Germany, Russia, Canada, USA, the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire.

Wherever Europeans go, and wherever Europeans build new civilizations and nations, everyone else wants to follow.

You can sit there and BS all you want. Land doesn't mean squat. If land meant something, then all those oil rich nations would be 1st world countries. It's not the land, it's the people, it's the culture, it's the knowledge. No one can deny that Europeans have built not only the richest, most powerful, most successful, and most cultural civilizations on earth, but that everywhere these civilizations came into being, there was always a group of uncivilized countries trying to destroy them out of jealousy for what they had.

The Islamic countries had over 1500 years to create a good civilization. The Africans had even longer. The South Americans had thousands of years. What happened? What are your excuses for the literally thousands of years these places had to civilize themselves and form enlightened nations?

While the Europeans and the Asians were culture, with philosophy and science, the rest of the world was still involved in tribalism. While Europe and Asia were developing into an artistic, poetic, cultured, philosophical, enlightened societies, there was no change in Africa or South America.

Today we refer to Eastern Culture and Western Culture. Eastern Culture is Asian, and Western Culture is European. The 2 cultures which proved themselves superior to the rest of the cultures on earth. The 2 cultures that provided the worlds greatest thinkers, the worlds greatest technological inventions, all of the sciences, virtually everything.

Nobody associated Africa or South America with Eastern or Western cultures because they simply are not relevant. These cultures have contributed virtually nothing to humanity as a whole.

Where are your excuses for them? Over 6,000 total years of evolved human history, and these people have produced NOTHING.

Do not sit there and speak to me about who owns what lands. Because in the end, all superior cultures will swallow inferior cultures. Superior cultures produce sophisticated weapons. Everyone started off equal. Everyone had about 6,000 years. It's clear which cultures are superior and which cultures will easily be forgotten by history.

All of the sciences - physics, biology, astronomy, geology, meteorology all born from the vein of philosophy, all born of Europeans and Asians.

You can be as politically correct as you want. You can act like all of humanity contributed equally, that all civilizations are equal, you can say and believe anything you want. But lies, they cannot last forever. The truth is right in the history books, but everyone is afraid to admit it.

Americans owe nobody anything. America is a superior culture formed by the superior cultures of the Europeans. That is why this nation, as all Europeans nations are, is powerful, and successful, and strong. We owe no apologies to any group of people. We fought wars as the rest of the world has fought for thousands of years. We conquered lands, as the rest of the world has done for thousands of years. The only difference is, everyone wants European land. Nobody is fighting to get into Africa or South America.

It's not that they want the land because they feel it was once theres. It's that they want the land because Europeans have made yet another successful civilization, and they want a free piece of the pie because they are just incapable of ever building a successful civilization and sustaining themselves.

 

[Pacridge]

As a great man once said,

I don't recall no indians writin' out no visas!!!!



And land is handed out in an orderly way. It doesn't go to the first people you get there, but the second. People who come after? Screw them, they're immigrants.

It's not cool to make up your own nicknames for other members...please don't do this again.

Thanks,

Pac

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Wow you're so cool changing my name.

Sure.

Tell me genius is "Realm of stuff" the best you could come up with? lol. I see that the US educational system has neglected studies in philosophy. I won't even bother explaining what my name actually means, you probably couldn't comprehend it anyway.

Thanks.

Didn't remember your user name, it was realm of something... Oh well, didn't think it was a big deal. But I guess it's like you favorite or something.

Don't call me Demo or I'll destroy you (white or not!).

As for the Indians, they immigrated to North America just everyone else did. The United States of America came into existence through Europeans not through Indians, not through Mexicans, not through any South American tribe.

When a nation is formed, whatever is built within that nation belongs first to the people that built it, and second to the decendants of those who built it. Land by itself is not worth very much. It is the culture and group of people that settle the land and build up the land that make it either a 3rd world garbage dump, or a first world nation of wealth.

The only countries that can own land are those who will be first world countries, okay. Africa is open to the US then? I'm saying we kill them all, obviously just those that oppose us.

You can sit there and BS all you want. Land doesn't mean squat.

Then why didn't we let them keep it?

While the Europeans and the Asians were culture, with philosophy and science, the rest of the world was still involved in tribalism. While Europe and Asia were developing into an artistic, poetic, cultured, philosophical, enlightened societies, there was no change in Africa or South America.

Of course. Lives lived in a culture other than ours are better off dead.

Nobody associated Africa or South America with Eastern or Western cultures because they simply are not relevant. These cultures have contributed virtually nothing to humanity as a whole.

And they shouldn't be allowed to own land or have children, eh?

You can be as politically correct as you want. You can act like all of humanity contributed equally, that all civilizations are equal, you can say and believe anything you want. But lies, they cannot last forever. The truth is right in the history books, but everyone is afraid to admit it.

Don't care about being "politically correct."

So a civilization who can't make WMD's or nukes, doesn't have manufacturing, and doesn't have real estate conferences. Good thing they are all dead of course.

Americans owe nobody anything. America is a superior culture formed by the superior cultures of the Europeans. That is why this nation, as all Europeans nations are, is powerful, and successful, and strong. We owe no apologies to any group of people. We fought wars as the rest of the world has fought for thousands of years. We conquered lands, as the rest of the world has done for thousands of years. The only difference is, everyone wants European land. Nobody is fighting to get into Africa or South America.

<being serious="something actually logical to respond to"> Of course Americans don't, none of us were alive. </being serious>

But those who did, of course they were white, so they can kill people and take their land. As long as they aren't white too. Unless they started acting all Indian or something. Shoot to kill.

It's not that they want the land because they feel it was once theirs. It's that they want the land because Europeans have made yet another successful civilization, and they want a free piece of the pie because they are just incapable of ever building a successful civilization and sustaining themselves.

That makes the people who killed people and stole land blameless, eh?

Sry, I'll try to keep my place. I'm one 16th Jewish and one 32nd American Indian, and there's gotta be some Irish in there somewhere. I'll try not to let my weak culture show.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

It's not cool to make up your own nicknames for other members...please don't do this again.

Thanks,

Pac

I didn't know I had this power, but I will keep it in check from now on.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

The only countries that can own land are those who will be first world countries, okay. Africa is open to the US then? I'm saying we kill them all, obviously just those that oppose us.

Ok let's see how much more you could possibly twist my words around.

From now on let's play by some rules shalll we?

1) How about when I say something, I mean what I said, not whatever warped twisted version of it that you are spewing out.

2) You stop taking my responses and adding things to them that were never said.

Now as for your above response. It makes absolutely no sense. There are countries with inferior cultures and countries with superior cultures. The superior cultures will always outlast the inferior cultures.

Please show me the exact words in which I stated only 1st world countries can own land, and if you can't, then you better stop putting words in my mouth.

Then why didn't we let them keep it?

Because that is the way the world worked for thousands of years. You seriously aren't comprehending the point.

The only reason the land is valuable is because the infrastructure of the land was built up. Europeans created the nation and the infrastructure. You don't see people demanding to go to any nation that isn't successful. And since nearly all the successful nations of the world are European, you likewise only see people complaining about the land the Europeans gained through conquest.

You don't hear anybody complaining about the land the African and South American tribes gained through conquest because nobody wants to go back into those lands? Why? Because those lands have no value because the cultures that existed on those lands were backwards and unable to advance as the European and Asian cultures did. The result is that those lands which were conquered by Europeans suddenly have more value, not because of any natural resource, but because of the superior culture that existed which caused the European nations to advance far more rapidly.

What part of that are you not comprehending? They wouldn't want the land if it hadn't been built by the Europeans. If it was built by another one of their own tribes, it would just be another garbage 3rd world dump nobody cares to occupy just like we see today. The desirable nations, the ones everyone wants to convienently remember all the past conquests of, are of course European because they will try anything to get a piece of the pie which their own cultures are for whatever reason totally incapable of ever producing as 6,000 years of human history has overwhelmingly proven.

Of course. Lives lived in a culture other than ours are better off dead.

Again, show me an exact quote where I made this statement, or make sure that when you make such a statement you let others know that it is your opinion and not my words. Your indirect attacks on my character by making others believe that these are my words is slander. I have said no such thing.

My points are all made on the historical evidence of the superiority of the European and Asian cultures over all the rest of the cultures in the world. My evidence is all of the nations which were created from these cultures, especially those of European culture.

Europe is the most successful continent. Europe and those nations that directly decend from Europe are the most powerful, sophisticated, technologically advanced, and culturally affluent in the entire world. If you would like to deny this, you are more than welcome to try. Just say the word and I will start a new thread in which you may pick any other culture on earth and we will go back and fourth listing the philosophical, technological, and scientific achievements until one of us runs out. I guarantee it will be you long before me.

And they shouldn't be allowed to own land or have children, eh?

Again, another one of your indirect character assasinations. Show me where I said this, an exact quote, or refrain from making comments which suggest to other members that I have said something which I did not. If you have absolutely no way to defend the admissions I am making about European influence and cuture throughout history, then rather than make comments designed to falsely slander my character, simply don't respond.

Don't care about being "politically correct."

So a civilization who can't make WMD's or nukes, doesn't have manufacturing, and doesn't have real estate conferences. Good thing they are all dead of course.

Again your tunnel vision is simply stunning. I talk about the knowledge and culture gained through philosophy, all the branches of science, medicine, and engineering with which the Europeans, and to a certain extent the Asians have created, and what is the only pitiful remark you can come up with? A simple trivialization of basically everything that has defined the course of human history and instead a comparison between nuclear weapons and real estate?

Again proving you have absolutely no way to deny the truth. It is so sad to see someone sit there and grasp at straws doing all they can to character assassinate their opponent because they can't come up with a single substantial response to anything which has been stated.

<being serious="something actually logical to respond to"> Of course Americans don't, none of us were alive. </being serious>

But those who did, of course they were white, so they can kill people and take their land. As long as they aren't white too. Unless they started acting all Indian or something. Shoot to kill.



That makes the people who killed people and stole land blameless, eh?

Sry, I'll try to keep my place. I'm one 16th Jewish and one 32nd American Indian, and there's gotta be some Irish in there somewhere. I'll try not to let my weak culture show.

Again more garbage, no actual truth. You like to blame the Europeans for the land they won through war simply because every place Europeans populate a great civilization is sure to follow. You ignore all the millions of other people from different cultures other than Europe who which did exactly the same thing as Europeans in fighting wars and conquering lands, but who failed to form any real civilization worth noting. So because nobody wants to join a 3rd world nation, you simply ignore the fact that everyone else has done exactly the same thing with the only difference being that there civilizations don't compare in the least to the cultural, technological, scientific, and medical successes of the European cultures.

 

[Pacridge]

I didn't know I had this power, but I will keep it in check from now on.

Thanks......

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Please show me the exact words in which I stated only 1st world countries can own land, and if you can't, then you better stop putting words in my mouth.

- Some cultures deserve land more than others. -

If this is not what you meant then tell me.

What part of that are you not comprehending? They wouldn't want the land if it hadn't been built by the Europeans. If it was built by another one of their own tribes, it would just be another garbage 3rd world dump nobody cares to occupy just like we see today. The desirable nations, the ones everyone wants to convienently remember all the past conquests of, are of course European because they will try anything to get a piece of the pie which their own cultures are for whatever reason totally incapable of ever producing as 6,000 years of human history has overwhelmingly proven.

Okay, I'm not saying that we should give land back to Indians. That would be silly. The people who stole it are dead, and the people who got stole from are dead.

I am saying that a long time ago when land was taken from the Indians, it was wrong.

My points are all made on the historical evidence of the superiority of the European and Asian cultures over all the rest of the cultures in the world. My evidence is all of the nations which were created from these cultures, especially those of European culture.

And all I'm saying is that other cultures have the right not to be destroyed by others, do you disagree then?

Other cultures will judge things different. Maybe to the American Indians being successful was being in tune with nature. And they should rule over the white man because he failed miserably at what they think is important.

Every culture thinks theirs is the best.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

- Some cultures deserve land more than others. -

If this is not what you meant then tell me.



Okay, I'm not saying that we should give land back to Indians. That would be silly. The people who stole it are dead, and the people who got stole from are dead.

I am saying that a long time ago when land was taken from the Indians, it was wrong.



And all I'm saying is that other cultures have the right not to be destroyed by others, do you disagree then?

Other cultures will judge things different. Maybe to the American Indians being successful was being in tune with nature. And they should rule over the white man because he failed miserably at what they think is important.

Every culture thinks theirs is the best.

I am not advocating the destruction of any other cultures. The only point I am trying to make is that Europeans built America, Canada, and all of Europe. These immigrants, especially the mexicans, are demanding this land as their own and saying that they have as much right to it as we do. They don't and they never will. It was not the mexicans who turned America or Europe into the civilizations they are. It is thousands of years of European culture and advancement that made America and Europe what they are today.

We have no obligation to give up the civilization our ancestors built to some group of 3rd worlders who because their ancestors are incapable of creating a self sustaining nation, think they have some special privilage to come to our countries.

The 6 million arabs in france that are starting to take control, the arabs and north africans that are moving into England, the influx of thousands of immigrants into Russia when the Russian economy is too damaged to even help it's own people at the moment.

You can feel it in the air. Changes are coming. All across Europe and America, Europeans and their decendents are beginning to realize that the beautiful civilizations their ancestors built are being swallowed whole by 3rd world immigrants who are coming to their nations in greater numbers with hostile agendas and anti-European and anti-American feelings.

These people believe it is their "right" to take from us what our ancestors created. These people believe it is their "right" to take from us what their ancestors failed to build for them.

These people, these fanatical arabs, africans and mexicans, none of them will stay in their own country and fight for a better more stable country. None of them will fight to reform their own nations. Because that is not what these people do.

Europeans and Asians, they physically fought within their own nations to create order. Japan was once a bunch of tribes. England was once a bunch of tribes, but our ancestors and the ancestors of Asians, they created nations, while the tribalism of Africa, South American, and the Arab world continued on and on to the present day.

Now like the leeches they are, instead of shedding their own blood for the good of their countries as our ancestors all did to unite Europe and America (and as took place in Japan) they would rather run to our countries and demand citizenship like leeches. Instad of building civilizations, these people destroy civilizations. They infest European civilizations like wood ants infest a house. And they consume and east and take welfare, and drain the education system and get food stamps, and have 4 children and destroy the healthcare system.

But I'll tell you, if you have been paying close attention to international news, you'll notice that in Russia violent crime against immigrants has gone way up. Russians have begun fighting back. I saw a statement on BBC that one Russian whe interviewed said something like "they are coming to our country, taking our jobs, taking food out of our families mouths, taking the places of our children in college when our own government doesn't even have enough money to support the Russian people"

In England Tony Blair's party just had a major defeat as the Conservative party took over 40 seats from them running on an anti-immigration campaign.

In America polls show more than half the country wants a physical wall between the US and Mexico. And as these third world pack rats keep coming in and furthering the economic destruction of the American southwest, you will see people become more vocal and angry.

In France the more than 6 million arab muslims currently living there are threatening french politics. Watch what happens in the next 10 years in France. You will see more clashes between the average french citizen and the arab muslims.

Europeans, Americans, and Canadians are all starting to realize something. While the population of Europeans and Americans and Canadians of European decend are rapidly declining, the population of 3rd worlders is expected to double in the next 100 years.

These 3rd worlders cannot even control their own population growth. Every single one of them has multiple children when they know they cannot support them. Then they take our money through government aid, they try to come here and in the process destroy our infrastructure, and we are just expected to watch the wood ants devour our house while we sit out in the cold.

Changes are coming, this is the beginning of a multi nation revolt across 2 continents. I never advocated hurting any 3rd worlders or taking their land. All I am saying is they need to stay where they are, and figure out how to solve their problems just like the Europeans and Americans did.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

I am not advocating the destruction of any other cultures. The only point I am trying to make is that Europeans built America, Canada, and all of Europe. These immigrants, especially the mexicans, are demanding this land as their own and saying that they have as much right to it as we do. They don't and they never will. It was not the mexicans who turned America or Europe into the civilizations they are. It is thousands of years of European culture and advancement that made America and Europe what they are today.

You didn't build it either, no white people alive today built this country. They are all dead. Just like it's silly to give land back to people, even though the people that need to be paid back are dead, it's silly for you (or anyone else) to take credit from something you had no part it.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

You didn't build it either, no white people alive today built this country. They are all dead. Just like it's silly to give land back to people, even though the people that need to be paid back are dead, it's silly for you (or anyone else) to take credit from something you had no part it.

Take credit? This is our civilization. We are the decendants of those who built these civilizations. We are the bloodlines, us, not them. We have EVERY RIGHT to be the ones who live here. We are the ones who continue to keep these civilizations great, not them.

I am not taking credit. I am stating the facts. If your parents make money and then die, you have more of a right to the inheritance than a stranger does correct? Likewise the decendants of a civilization have EVERY RIGHT to continue to live and prosper in that civilization. No one else has the right to immigrate there and demand privilages at the cost of the natural inhabitants of the civilization.

We also have every right to be proud of our ancestors. There blood runs in our veins. All Europeans and Americans of European decent share the same ancestors. Our ancestors have passed down to us all the knowledge and science which they have accumulated and we will continue to accumulate more knowledge and science for our civilizations future. This knowledge, science, philosophy, medicine was handed down to us, discovered by our ancestors who were able to discover what they did because of their European ancestors before them. It is like a snowball effect. Each new generation making the European civilizations better than the last.

We have no obligation to give up our success and force our people to struggle by diverting our resources to paying for welfare for immigrants, or paying social services like education and healthcare to people who offer us nothing. Our civilizations were built on the blood, sweat, and tears of our forefathers, our ancestors.

If the 3rd world wants what European civilization has created so badly, then let them stand up in their own countries, let them physically fight for stability in their own countries, let them reform their own countries. They don't want to do that though, they want the easy road. They want to come to the European civilizations and destroy our economy so they can live an easy life while the country that gave birth to them only continues to degenerate and produce millions more children who will grow up to do exactly the same thing.

These 3rd world nations that refuse to reform themselves, that refuse to turn themselves into civilized countries with human rights, and civil laws, they are a burden on all civilizations decended from Europe and on Europe itself. In the end it is ultimately the European Civilizations that are being forced to fix their problems at the expense and destruction of the European civilizations.

European civilizations cannot stop the 3rd world from growing. They have 2-3 times more children per family than Europeans do. Because of this, one day, in the near future, they will be able to easily overtake the declining populations of all nations of European decent. So I have one question for you.

What will happen then? What will happen when these people have flooded into every European nation and America and turned these civilizations into 3rd world nations? Then what? Instead of these people reforming their own countries they will have literally destroyed the world.

Could you imagine North America and Europe looking like Mexico or most of Africa? In 60 years, it will be just that. If they cannot fix their own countries, then it should be common sense that if they come to ours, they will continue to do exactly what they did in their own countries to make it so bad.

If you want evidence of this, I would advise you read the US government crime statistics of the American southwest, followed by the US census report of mexicans immigrating to the southwest. Then read about how many hospitals have closed, and the public burden on the educational and jail system. Read about the border states individual budgets and how much money each state is being drained of by the 3rd world invasion. California will be a bankrupted state within 5 decades.

It is our duty as the current caretakers of the civilizations which our European ancestors have built, to continue to upkeep these civilizations in all their glory. To preserve their history, to preserve their culture, science, technology, philosophy, arts.

It is not our duty to allow these civilizations to be destroyed by massive 3rd world hostile immigration assaults by people who won't even stand up and fix their own countries. Our European ancestors already paid the price for our civilizations with their blood. Now it is time for the people of these 3rd world countries to do the same so that the future of their nations will resemble what ours is today, instead of fleeing their countries like cowards and demanding that we support their new lifestyles at the expense of our own people.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

I am not advocating the destruction of any other cultures. The only point I am trying to make is that Europeans built America, Canada, and all of Europe. These immigrants, especially the mexicans, are demanding this land as their own and saying that they have as much right to it as we do. They don't and they never will. It was not the mexicans who turned America or Europe into the civilizations they are. It is thousands of years of European culture and advancement that made America and Europe what they are today.

We have no obligation to give up the civilization our ancestors built to some group of 3rd worlders who because their ancestors are incapable of creating a self sustaining nation, think they have some special privilage to come to our countries.

The 6 million arabs in france that are starting to take control, the arabs and north africans that are moving into England, the influx of thousands of immigrants into Russia when the Russian economy is too damaged to even help it's own people at the moment.

You can feel it in the air. Changes are coming. All across Europe and America, Europeans and their decendents are beginning to realize that the beautiful civilizations their ancestors built are being swallowed whole by 3rd world immigrants who are coming to their nations in greater numbers with hostile agendas and anti-European and anti-American feelings.

These people believe it is their "right" to take from us what our ancestors created. These people believe it is their "right" to take from us what their ancestors failed to build for them.

These people, these fanatical arabs, africans and mexicans, none of them will stay in their own country and fight for a better more stable country. None of them will fight to reform their own nations. Because that is not what these people do.

Europeans and Asians, they physically fought within their own nations to create order. Japan was once a bunch of tribes. England was once a bunch of tribes, but our ancestors and the ancestors of Asians, they created nations, while the tribalism of Africa, South American, and the Arab world continued on and on to the present day.

Now like the leeches they are, instead of shedding their own blood for the good of their countries as our ancestors all did to unite Europe and America (and as took place in Japan) they would rather run to our countries and demand citizenship like leeches. Instad of building civilizations, these people destroy civilizations. They infest European civilizations like wood ants infest a house. And they consume and east and take welfare, and drain the education system and get food stamps, and have 4 children and destroy the healthcare system.

But I'll tell you, if you have been paying close attention to international news, you'll notice that in Russia violent crime against immigrants has gone way up. Russians have begun fighting back. I saw a statement on BBC that one Russian whe interviewed said something like "they are coming to our country, taking our jobs, taking food out of our families mouths, taking the places of our children in college when our own government doesn't even have enough money to support the Russian people"

In England Tony Blair's party just had a major defeat as the Conservative party took over 40 seats from them running on an anti-immigration campaign.

In America polls show more than half the country wants a physical wall between the US and Mexico. And as these third world pack rats keep coming in and furthering the economic destruction of the American southwest, you will see people become more vocal and angry.

In France the more than 6 million arab muslims currently living there are threatening french politics. Watch what happens in the next 10 years in France. You will see more clashes between the average french citizen and the arab muslims.

Europeans, Americans, and Canadians are all starting to realize something. While the population of Europeans and Americans and Canadians of European decend are rapidly declining, the population of 3rd worlders is expected to double in the next 100 years.

These 3rd worlders cannot even control their own population growth. Every single one of them has multiple children when they know they cannot support them. Then they take our money through government aid, they try to come here and in the process destroy our infrastructure, and we are just expected to watch the wood ants devour our house while we sit out in the cold.

Changes are coming, this is the beginning of a multi nation revolt across 2 continents. I never advocated hurting any 3rd worlders or taking their land. All I am saying is they need to stay where they are, and figure out how to solve their problems just like the Europeans and Americans did.

What you are suggesting is inhereted social status. Everyone should be judged on their own character, not who their grandfather was.

 

[FallingPianos]

it's amusing how when the term immigrant is said, most automatically think of someone nonwhite, particularly latino.
yet aren't whites the biggest immigrants in the usa? how ironic that the real immigrants (whites) are trying to pawn off the term to others.
so i guess if you steal an entire country, use others to build it up, take the credit, you are no longer an immigrant but everyone else coming into the country is :doh

immigration means to move into a country to reside there. neither the natives nor europian settlers were immigrants because there was no country here at the time.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

What you are suggesting is inhereted social status. Everyone should be judged on their own character, not who their grandfather was.

No what I am suggestnig is that a civilization take care of it's own people and not other tribes from around the world.

This has nothing to do with judging people. It has to do with the continued survival of the European nations. Anything that is a threat, including 3rd world immigrants, should be prevented from coming into our civilizations and destroying them person by person.

You cannot say that passing a civilization down from one generation to the next is inhereted social status. The decendents of each civilization must carry on their own countries. As natural citizens of those countries, it is their sworn duty to protect everything which was created within those countries.

If you had a beautiful house, which your grandfather had built, and which you were born into and some total stranger demanded to live in your house simply because it was better than his own, what would you do?

You cannot tell an entire civilization that they HAVE to let 3rd world immigrants into their country. They are not obligated to do anything except protect the civilization they were born into as a natural citizen of that civilization.

As time goes on and Europeans and Americans are more and more threatened with 3rd world invaders, it will become their duty to remove these people from their civilizations. If these immigrants begin to threaten the well being of the citizens of those countries, they have every right to demand these people be sent back from where they came from.

The civilization is first, the individual citizen is second. Whatever threatens the civilization must be removed, deported, fought through war, or any other means that is necessary.

 

[F41]

it's amusing how when the term immigrant is said, most automatically think of someone nonwhite, particularly latino.
yet aren't whites the biggest immigrants in the usa? how ironic that the real immigrants (whites) are trying to pawn off the term to others.
so i guess if you steal an entire country, use others to build it up, take the credit, you are no longer an immigrant but everyone else coming into the country is :doh

White men did not steal America, they fought and built this land to what it is today.

America never belong to the Indians, America is a nation formed by outsiders. Before the outsider came here this land we now call America was in simple terms "ours", not inhabited by what are now Americans.


If you ask any Indian, They will tell you illegal aliens have always been a problem in their land. But white men came, they fought, and they won. If Mexicans or any other people want this land, they must give their blood in return . Fight like men and claim this land and not by thievery only to steal this land.

 

[alphamale]

White men did not steal America, they fought and built this land to what it is today.

America never belong to the Indians, America is a nation formed by outsiders. Before the outsider came here this land we now call America was in simple terms "ours", not inhabited by what are now Americans.


If you ask any Indian, They will tell you illegal aliens have always been a problem in their land. But white men came, they fought, and they won. If Mexicans or any other people want this land, they must give their blood in return . Fight like men and claim this land and not by thievery only to steal this land.

You seem to understand the idiocy of such formulations as "native american", what are referred to as american indians having arrived in north america some 10-20,000 years before the creation of "america". Here's a question: is there an authentic "indian" word that means "all the 'american indian' people"?

 

[BodiSatva]

Pheonix...I have read many things that you have written and there is great understanding behind your words...

I have not heard words like these before from Native Americans...

 

[-Demosthenes-]

No what I am suggestnig is that a civilization take care of it's own people and not other tribes from around the world.

This has nothing to do with judging people. It has to do with the continued survival of the European nations. Anything that is a threat, including 3rd world immigrants, should be prevented from coming into our civilizations and destroying them person by person.

How is that not judging them by their genealogy? I don't understand, how can you not be judging people when you are judging them to be unworthy of our civilization.

So, you're saying "Europeans" have made successful civilizations so other "tribes" shouldn't be let in to our "European" civilization. So if they leave their tribe, and join our civilization then all they have brought with them that is different is (1) culture and (2) race.

So you are judging people by culture, race, or both. Judging by culture is silly, because in the modern age it's degraded into nothing more than language, different family types, clothing, and food. Judging by race is stupid. Just because someone has more chemicals in their skin doesn't mean they they are better or worse then those with a different amount of those same chemicals.

White men did not steal America, they fought and built this land to what it is today.

America never belong to the Indians, America is a nation formed by outsiders. Before the outsider came here this land we now call America was in simple terms "ours", not inhabited by what are now Americans.


If you ask any Indian, They will tell you illegal aliens have always been a problem in their land. But white men came, they fought, and they won. If Mexicans or any other people want this land, they must give their blood in return . Fight like men and claim this land and not by thievery only to steal this land.

So it was okay for Europeans to take the Indian's land by force, and to avoid a moral inconsistency, anyone can take it from the Europeans if they can take it by force.

 

[F41]

You seem to understand the idiocy of such formulations as "native american", what are referred to as american indians having arrived in north america some 10-20,000 years before the creation of "america". Here's a question: is there an authentic "indian" word that means "all the 'american indian' people"?

I can not say there is a word nor can I say there is not, we simply had tribal names, and the land belonged to the tribe who defended that land.

Here is an article you might find interesting on native names used of America.

THE NAMING
OF NORTH AMERICA
By Jack M. Weatherford

The native people often gave such simple, descriptive names as these to places because such names had a greater utilitarian value than names of people. Because the native people rarely made or used maps, descriptive names helped native travelers to recognize places.

In addition, they used mythological names or stories that helped others to recognize and remember a long list of place names. In Inuvialuit, Tuktoyaktuk means "resembling a caribou," and refers to the ancient reef formations visible along the shore. One legend says the name came from some caribou who wandered into the area and became petrified. According to another story I heard from one of the residents, the first woman to come to the peninsula saw the reef formations from a distance and mistook them for caribou. Neither story is more "correct" than the other, but in any case, the formations readily identify the land for even a first-time visitor.

As mentioned earlier, the Inuit built distinctive piles of rocks in the shape of human beings. The name for these structures, inukshuk, means "something like a human," and derives from inuk meaning "a person." From this same root comes the singular of their collective name, inuit, meaning "the people." The modern town of Inuvik on the Mackenzie delta also derives its name from this root; inuvik means "the place of human," although it is more often translated as "the place of man."

Oddly enough, despite the stereotype of the Indians as bellicose people, three of the states have names that mean "friend." The name Texas comes from the Caddoan word for "friend" or "ally." The name Dakota has the same meaning in the Dakota language. For this reason, even today, many Dakota people prefer to be called Dakota or Lakota, meaning "friend," rather than Sioux, which is the French corruption of the name given them by their traditional tribal enemies, and probably means "snake." Today the Dakota live mostly in Minnesota, whereas their relatives the Lakota live in South Dakota; if names accurately matched he inhabitants. South Dakota would now be South Lakota.

The colonists followed the same naming pattern with rivers as with lands. At first they renamed them after Europeans, like the Hudson River in New York, the Ashley and Cooper rivers in South Carolina, the James River in Virginia, and the Mackenzie River in northwestern Canada. The Indian names of rivers, however, seem to have been even more persistent than the Indian land names. Most of the great rivers of North America still have Indian names, such as the Mississippi, Ohio, Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Wabash, Assiniboine, Ottawa, Saskatchewan, Athabasca, Potomac, Chattahoochee, Tallapoosa, Tallahatchie, Yukon, Kuskokwim, Congaree, Klamath, Sacramento, Quinnipiac, Suwannee, Oconee, Kennebec, Muskegon, Mohawk, and Catawba, as well as hundreds of smaller rivers, creeks, and streams in every state and province. In keeping with the persistence of Indian water names, most of the major lakes of America have Indian names, such as Ontario, Erie, Huron, Michigan, Nipigon, Baskatong, Michikamau, Winnipeg, Eufaula, Iliamna, Tahoe, Shasta, Okeechobee, and Winnebago.

Pheonix...I have read many things that you have written and there is great understanding behind your words...

I have not heard words like these before from Native Americans...

I try to understand bothsides because I am not only of Semonle Creek I am also Scottish as well.

So it was okay for Europeans to take the Indian's land by force, and to avoid a moral inconsistency, anyone can take it from the Europeans if they can take it by force.

In my belief, Yes. Give honor to those you conquer. Allow them to defend what is theirs at that time. Those who conquer America with their own blood will rightfully inherit this land.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

How is that not judging them by their genealogy? I don't understand, how can you not be judging people when you are judging them to be unworthy of our civilization.


So, you're saying "Europeans" have made successful civilizations so other "tribes" shouldn't be let in to our "European" civilization. So if they leave their tribe, and join our civilization then all they have brought with them that is different is (1) culture and (2) race.

So you are judging people by culture, race, or both. Judging by culture is silly, because in the modern age it's degraded into nothing more than language, different family types, clothing, and food. Judging by race is stupid. Just because someone has more chemicals in their skin doesn't mean they they are better or worse then those with a different amount of those same chemicals.



So it was okay for Europeans to take the Indian's land by force, and to avoid a moral inconsistency, anyone can take it from the Europeans if they can take it by force.

It is not judging them by their genealogy. It is observing them as a civilization and realizing that clearly, their civilizations lack the basic things which our civilizations demand as absolutes.

People of European decent are held down in their own countries by immigrants who demand things which they have no right to demand.

They are unworthy. I have already told you why. The answer I gave you before was that our ancestors paid in their blood for our civilization to be what it is today. Generation after generation of Europeans making contributions to philosophy, science, law, arts, and sacrificing their lives to defend this civilization which they created.

Millions of Europeans have died to protect there civilization. Do you think that fathers, brothers, sons, and uncles went to war and died defending their country so that their children would have to give up their civilization to immigrants who share little or nothing in common with the Europeans? Europeans did not die for the people of another tribe to walk into their civilization and start dismantling it. They fought and died so that future generations of their own people, the Europeans, could have a better life.

If they wanted to just give up their civilization to immigrants, then they would have never died to defend it in the first place. They would have put down their arms and told the immigrants to just march right in.

Could you truthfully make an arguement to yourself that you really believe that it is justice for a civilization to give away its resources and its blood (which is spitting in the face of all those who died defending European civilization) to the rest of the world when there are millions of Europeans who are in poverty, poor, and suffering as well? If Europe, America, and Canada did not have to support 3rd world immigrants who refuse to make their nations stable, and were not being dragged down by the millions of immigrant invaders, they would have enough resources to create civilizations with no poor at all.

Why should our own people continue to suffer in poverty when it is in our grasp to nearly perfect our civilization and remove nearly all suffering. What obligation do we have to help people who will not help themselves, and at the cost of our own people?

If the rest of the world was willing to pay the price that European civilization has paid, and was willing to push forward and persue knowledge and science the way the European civilization did, we would be in a world wide golden age of humanity.

There is no doubt that if Africa and South America were populated by Europeans, this world would have had 2 full continents more of scientific, philosophical, and medical discovery that could have probably given humanity more than twice the current knowledge it has at this very moment, possibly at this point in time, giving us a way to end all human suffering period.

Instead it has been left in the hands of the Europeans and their newly formed nations of America and Canada alone, to be everything humanity has to offer, because most of the remaining humanity has failed to contribute even a fraction of what Europeans have. Because of this, they are pulling our civilization down. They are destroying us.

Just use this simple analogy of numbers. Anything below -400 means you have contributed nothing to humanity. Anything above 0 means you are a successful civilization which has contributed in science, philosophy, laws ect...

If the European civilization is +200 having created almost everything this modern world sees today. The African civilization is -300 having created virtually nothing and continuing to be a perpetual state of war the South American civilization is -200 being only slightly better off than Africa but still contributing very little to humanity as a whole.

Now imagine that the world must equalize itself out. But every single day a few thousand Europeans are born and a few hundred thousand Africans and South Americans are born.

What good will it do to let these people immigrate to European civilization? They are populating the earth so much more rapidly than we are, that at the rate they are going, they will literally consume the entire European civilization in 1 century.

If Africa and South America is not forced to reform itself, if there peoples will not stand up and change their civilizations, then their civilizations are eventually going to consume ours through immigration and we will be destroyed.

The other option is to shut all immigration to all European countries. Make these people stand up for themselves, force them to make their own countries better. If we do that, then they can have better civilizations and our civilization will be allowed to survive.

There are a couple of really moral questions to ask yourself.

Is it morally wrong to continue to do things which incite people to flee from a problem rather than solve it?

Is it morally wrong to willingly give up your civilization to immigrants when your ancestors sacrificed their lives to make their civilization better for their decendents?

These are questions you should really think about. Because if you continue to believe that letting 10 million immigrants into Europe each year is going to help these African and South American warzones when they are giving birth to 50 million people a year, then you will eventually realize that we are not only unable to save the vast majority of these people, but that we have let so many of them into our country, that they have done to us what they have been taught to do in their own homelands.

I think I could some up letting immigrants flee to our country, or forcing them to reform their own country in one wise proverb.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

It is not judging them by their genealogy. It is observing them as a civilization and realizing that clearly, their civilizations lack the basic things which our civilizations demand as absolutes.

That is judging indiviguals by their "civilization."

How do you know their "civilization"? Culture and race.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

That is judging indiviguals by their "civilization."

How do you know their "civilization"? Culture and race.

Have you read anything I've said? How do you know a different civilization other than your own? Well you read a history book, you observe the politics, you look at the accomplishments or lack thereof.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Have you read anything I've said? How do you know a different civilization other than your own? Well you read a history book, you observe the politics, you look at the accomplishments or lack thereof.

Well then how do you judge which "civilization" that an individual is from?