White Support for Black Lives Matter

[Fishking]

Nothing personal, but you'll have to excuse me for not trusting something someone on the internet says unless I can verify it (such as the fact that Talis is Clevelan born, a BLM activist, and was arrested for rape, burglary, etc

Ahahahaha! I knew from your very first question that you didn't have any honest intent in it and your sole goal was to try and discredit the poster. He then provides you with all the information needed and you continue on with your dishonesty. I wish I could say this wasn't predictable from the start in post #11. Priceless.

 

[FieldTheorist]

Well, the people usually shot by cops are criminals who refused to comply with a direct police order, often doing something threatening on top of it. So, in that sense, I have no sympathy for the dead bad guys, white or black.

The list of relevant cases, the ones that BLM raises as important examples of discuss the unequal response of police officers, there's numerous examples. Not complying with the police doesn't warrant lethal or even brutal response. Sometimes, the black person is "a bad guy" in terms of, say, stealing or shop-lifting --but that doesn't warrant lethal response. Sometimes, they don't comply with the police officer, and they're shot immediately. Sometimes, they're following the open-carry laws and are shot on sight. Sometimes, they're complying with the police, and they get shot or brutalized anyways.

But even in the case that they're doing something illegal, that doesn't justify police officers coming onto the scene of a crime or alleged crimes with guns literally blazing, or justify beat down or choking people to death. It doesn't excuse cops from not deescalating tense or criminal situations. It doesn't excuse the wildly disproportionate crime statistics.

As for the thread, the argument is that it's easy to criticize crime fighters when someone lives in an upscale community that has virtually no crime--much like the one I suspect you yourself live in, I might add--but then, when the crime comes close to home, the response is to suddenly morph into the exact thing they are criticizing.

There's quite a number of assumptions in there, almost all of them are false. I'm not interested in listening to your speculations about me, so I'm going to ignore this, other than to comment on the obvious fact that you have not even attempted to defend your claim that I misrepresented what you said and argued for. I did not, and not this quote above nor the two previous demonstrate that I in any way misrepresented you.

 

[danarhea]

I'm white and lean Libertarian, and I support black lives matter. Here is why.

BLM began over shootings of black people.... A lot of shootings of black people. It was as if all lives mattered except black lives. This is why "Black Lives Matter" became a rallying cry for many in the black community. They felt that their lives didn't matter to some.

And, of course, the racist backlash to Black Lives Matter was All Lives Matter. It doesn't matter to them that BLM was formed because the black community felt that black lives didn't matter to many communities, and many in law enforcement. They just turned their own racism around and pointed at the black community. All Lives Matter was coined in order for the racists to accuse the black community of racism. This is a classic case of "He who smelt it dealt it".

 

[calamity]

The list of relevant cases, the ones that BLM raises as important examples of discuss the unequal response of police officers, there's numerous examples. Not complying with the police doesn't warrant lethal or even brutal response. Sometimes, the black person is "a bad guy" in terms of, say, stealing or shop-lifting --but that doesn't warrant lethal response. Sometimes, they don't comply with the police officer, and they're shot immediately. Sometimes, they're following the open-carry laws and are shot on sight. Sometimes, they're complying with the police, and they get shot or brutalized anyways.

But even in the case that they're doing something illegal, that doesn't justify police officers coming onto the scene of a crime or alleged crimes with guns literally blazing, or justify beat down or choking people to death. It doesn't excuse cops from not deescalating tense or criminal situations. It doesn't excuse the wildly disproportionate crime statistics.



There's quite a number of assumptions in there, almost all of them are false. I'm not interested in listening to your speculations about me, so I'm going to ignore this, other than to comment on the obvious fact that you have not even attempted to defend your claim that I misrepresented what you said and argued for. I did not, and not this quote above nor the two previous demonstrate that I in any way misrepresented you.

Michael Brown, "Hands up don't shoot," which started all the BLM stuff was a lie. What more needs to be said about that?

As for the rich whites protesting alongside the BLM, we see very clearly how quickly they change their tune once the crime starts coming closer to home. Suddenly they like cops, want people locked up, and act as if they can't hang the SOB fast enough from the nearest tree.

 

[calamity]

I'm white and lean Libertarian, and I support black lives matter. Here is why.

BLM began over shootings of black people.... A lot of shootings of black people. It was as if all lives mattered except black lives. This is why "Black Lives Matter" became a rallying cry for many in the black community. They felt that their lives didn't matter to some.

And, of course, the racist backlash to Black Lives Matter was All Lives Matter. It doesn't matter to them that BLM was formed because the black community felt that black lives didn't matter to many communities, and many in law enforcement. They just turned their own racism around and pointed at the black community. All Lives Matter was coined in order for the racists to accuse the black community of racism. This is a classic case of "He who smelt it dealt it".

If only the protests focused on innocent people shot by cops instead of gangsters killed by them, they'd have a good movement. But, when you defend the actions of a thug shot while attacking cops in the same breath as the poor guy shot for no reason, the good guy gets lost in the shuffle. I do not understand why people fail to see this obvious error in judgement.

Michael Brown has no place in the BLM protests. The little kid with the toy gun in Cleveland, Tamir Rice, does.

 

[FieldTheorist]

Michael Brown, "Hands up don't shoot," which started all the BLM stuff was a lie. What more needs to be said about that?

As for the rich whites protesting alongside the BLM, we see very clearly how quickly they change their tune once the crime starts coming closer to home. Suddenly they like cops, want people locked up, and act as if they can't hang the SOB fast enough from the nearest tree.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that what happened in Ferguson was exactly what you think it is. Let's suppose that Michael Brown was 100% guilty and tried to attack a police officer. Does that change the statistics regarding black crimes rates, overzealous sentencing of blacks, the probes of the DoJ into these police departments and the 100% proven systemic racism that many of these officers felt? Does it change the other cases where black people weren't given the benefit of any doubt and, for instance, blown away within 2 seconds of being on the scene of the crime? Does that change the 100% proven racial biases that many police officers (and indeed, Americans as a whole) have? Does that change the fact that BLM says a lot more than about police violence, but also in discussing how latent and/or lingering forms of racism have been harmful to black communities and hinder their ability to move out of poverty?

No it doesn't say anything about those facts. If you know even a tiny bit about these issues like you claim, you would know this. I've little little interest in reading you prattle on with more vacuous points, so I'm going to move along now.

 

[calamity]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that what happened in Ferguson was exactly what you think it is. Let's suppose that Michael Brown was 100% guilty and tried to attack a police officer. Does that change the statistics regarding black crimes rates, overzealous sentencing of blacks, the probes of the DoJ into these police departments and the 100% proven systemic racism that many of these officers felt? Does it change the other cases where black people weren't given the benefit of any doubt and, for instance, blown away within 2 seconds of being on the scene of the crime? Does that change the 100% proven racial biases that many police officers (and indeed, Americans as a whole) have?

No it doesn't say anything about those facts. If you know even a tiny bit about these issues like you claim, you would know this. I've little little interest in reading you prattle on with more vacuous points, so I'm going to move along now.

lol...preach and run. Typical for someone who just spouts out talking points.

If you want a real discussion on the points you bring up, I'd be more than happy to address them. But, it sounds like you have no such intention. So, run along and spew your nonsense to like-minded folks at the local Starbucks.

 

[Howler63]

If you're white and your out there chanting for BLM, you're a patsy. A useful idiot.

 

[blaxshep]

Socialists are usually anti-police, except when they need them. That's when they call a cop and want the person who wronged them locked up and the key thrown away.

Ironically they need a police state to implement their agenda.

 

[blaxshep]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that what happened in Ferguson was exactly what you think it is. Let's suppose that Michael Brown was 100% guilty and tried to attack a police officer. Does that change the statistics regarding black crimes rates, overzealous sentencing of blacks, the probes of the DoJ into these police departments and the 100% proven systemic racism that many of these officers felt? Does it change the other cases where black people weren't given the benefit of any doubt and, for instance, blown away within 2 seconds of being on the scene of the crime? Does that change the 100% proven racial biases that many police officers (and indeed, Americans as a whole) have? Does that change the fact that BLM says a lot more than about police violence, but also in discussing how latent and/or lingering forms of racism have been harmful to black communities and hinder their ability to move out of poverty?

No it doesn't say anything about those facts. If you know even a tiny bit about these issues like you claim, you would know this. I've little little interest in reading you prattle on with more vacuous points, so I'm going to move along now.

:violin

 

[FieldTheorist]

lol...preach and run. Typical for someone who just spouts out talking points.

If you want a real discussion on the points you bring up, I'd be more than happy to address them. But, it sounds like you have no such intention. So, run along and spew your nonsense to like-minded folks at the local Starbucks.

You're absolutely right, I have no intention of discussing serious issues with people who think that it's normal to assume black people are rapists and think that the only people who would disagree with this drink at Starbucks.

 

[calamity]

You're absolutely right, I have no intention of discussing serious issues with people who think that it's normal to assume black people are rapists and think that the only people who would disagree with this drink at Starbucks.

Assume black people are rapists? Where do you even get that?

 

[calamity]

Ironically they need a police state to implement their agenda.

True.

 

[calamity]

If you're white and your out there chanting for BLM, you're a patsy. A useful idiot.

If cops were really targeting blacks by shooting them indiscriminately from roof tops whenever they saw one walk by, I'd see whites protesting it as sensible. But, to protest police for defending themselves from aggressive people who have already broken laws and shown a complete disregard for the standards of civil behavior laid down by society---those are useful idiots regardless their color.