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White Support for Black Lives Matter

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We had an interesting development in our little hippie village, liberal college town, over the past month or so. The local black lives crowd of white SJW's have had a little rude awakening. I'm not sure they see it, but I certainly did while following a few FB threads on this latest development.

First, the brief history. White protesters supporting BLM are quick to blame the greater society for the treatment of blacks when they encounter law enforcement. The complaint being both: cops are to strict and quick to use violence against blacks, and that the greater society of whites are too quick to condemn the backs killed or otherwise singled out by those cops. Pretty standard stuff that most of us should already be well educated on. The local protesters here are totally on board with that narrative.

Next, the wife and I shared a general opinion of these white SJW's. In short, the opinion is that they all live sheltered lives in this safe community that, although 15% black, is not anything like living in South Chicago or Detroit. Their kids go to safe schools, the streets are crime free, the cops here are not shot at or killed by thugs. Simply put, we live in quasi-upper middle class paradise. Doors are left unlocked, women walk the streets alone at night. So, of course, their perspective is distorted.

Now the development. A BLM activist, a back man who came here from Cleveland, has been charged with a local rape, burglary and other crimes. That by itself is not a surprise, at least not to me. What is interesting, however, is the reaction of the local SJW's when it was reported that the national BLM organization put up the $50K for his bail. All hell broke loose.

All these people who were pointing fingers at everyone else for being big meanies to the poor innocent blacks suddenly became big meanies to this particular black---a man who is still innocent since he was not yet proven guilty, I might add. The outrage is hilarious. People want to chastise those who bailed him out; they want businesses to ban him from entering; they want local landlords to refuse to rent him an apartment; they want people to ostracize him when they see him on the street, and, basically speaking, they would like to send him back to jail, "where he belongs."

Absolutely amazing. I wonder if these SJW's will get the message and realize that this is exactly what happens in the minds of those who believe their little movement is garbage. The people usually shot by cops are not upstanding citizens. Many of them are exactly the kind of people these SJW's would run out of town in a New York minute. It amuses me to see them turn into the exact people they protest against.
 
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Skin color doesn't matter, here. BLM isn't about racial issues, BLM is about spearheading socialism. Just look at their latest manifesto. Correctly, socialists of many skin colors are for BLM.
 

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Absolutely amazing. I wonder if these SJW's will get the message and realize that this is exactly what happens in the minds of those who believe their little movement is garbage. The people usually shot by cops are not upstanding citizens. Many of them are exactly the kind of people these SJW's would run out of town in a New York minute. It amuses me to see them turn into the exact people they protest against.

Mugged by reality. Their response is inappropriate, though. They just don't appreciate the importance of civil and human rights and the rule of law. They are truly getting sorry educations -- they should sue their universities for malpractice.

Also, this is why BlackLivesMatter isn't going anywhere. They can't seem to attract any support. Bailing out a man charged with a violent crime sends the wrong message. It's like they are crime supporters, and who in their right mind would support that?
 

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Mugged by reality. Their response is inappropriate, though. They just don't appreciate the importance of civil and human rights and the rule of law. They are truly getting sorry educations -- they should sue their universities for malpractice.

Also, this is why BlackLivesMatter isn't going anywhere. They can't seem to attract any support. Bailing out a man charged with a violent crime sends the wrong message. It's like they are crime supporters, and who in their right mind would support that?

Some reports on the various FB threads suggest that the defense is going to argue that he is innocent and only being targeted because A.) he is black and B.) he is a black activist.

The people who know him, the former SJW's, argue that they know he is guilty because he has, apparently, acted inappropriately towards some of them and that they know the victim, who they insist would not lie or blame a black man because he is black. :lol: The whole innocent until proven guilty in a court of law thing escapes them completely, of course. But, yes, I agree the notion that he is being singled out because he is black and an activist is absurd.
 

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Skin color doesn't matter, here. BLM isn't about racial issues, BLM is about spearheading socialism. Just look at their latest manifesto. Correctly, socialists of many skin colors are for BLM.

Socialists are usually anti-police, except when they need them. That's when they call a cop and want the person who wronged them locked up and the key thrown away.
 

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Skin color doesn't matter, here. BLM isn't about racial issues, BLM is about spearheading socialism. Just look at their latest manifesto. Correctly, socialists of many skin colors are for BLM.


more demonizing
 

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more demonizing

His is actually a fair assessment in this particular case, since almost all the local white BLM activists who are also upset by this alleged rapist's release from jail are also socialists.
 

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It's actually a fair assessment in this particular case since almost all the local white BLM activists who are also upset by this alleged rapist's release from jail are also socialists.


you expect me to think you went out and polled them almost all? dont think so.
 

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you expect me to think you went out and polled them almost all? dont think so.

I live here, and I know my neighbors very well. The only ones in that bunch who are not socialists are the communists.
 

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I live here, and I know my neighbors very well. The only ones in that bunch who are not socialists are the communists.


extrapolating one nut job town to the nation just doesnt cut it. hippy towns are notoriously short on blacks.
 

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We had an interesting development in our little hippie village, liberal college town, over the past month or so. The local black lives crowd of white SJW's have had a little rude awakening. I'm not sure they see it, but I certainly did while following a few FB threads on this latest development.

First, the brief history. White protesters supporting BLM are quick to blame the greater society for the treatment of blacks when they encounter law enforcement. The complaint being both: cops are to strict and quick to use violence against blacks, and that the greater society of whites are too quick to condemn the backs killed or otherwise singled out by those cops. Pretty standard stuff that most of us should already be well educated on. The local protesters here are totally on board with that narrative.

Next, the wife and I shared a general opinion of these white SJW's. In short, the opinion is that they all live sheltered lives in this safe community that, although 15% black, is not anything like living in South Chicago or Detroit. Their kids go to safe schools, the streets are crime free, the cops here are not shot at or killed by thugs. Simply put, we live in quasi-upper middle class paradise. Doors are left unlocked, women walk the streets alone at night. So, of course, their perspective is distorted.

Now the development. A BLM activist, a back man who came here from Cleveland, has been charged with a local rape, burglary and other crimes. That by itself is not a surprise, at least not to me. What is interesting, however, is the reaction of the local SJW's when it was reported that the national BLM organization put up the $50K for his bail. All hell broke loose.

All these people who were pointing fingers at everyone else for being big meanies to the poor innocent blacks suddenly became big meanies to this particular black---a man who is still innocent since he was not yet proven guilty, I might add. The outrage is hilarious. People want to chastise those who bailed him out; they want businesses to ban him from entering; they want local landlords to refuse to rent him an apartment; they want people to ostracize him when they see him on the street, and, basically speaking, they would like to send him back to jail, "where he belongs."

Absolutely amazing. I wonder if these SJW's will get the message and realize that this is exactly what happens in the minds of those who believe their little movement is garbage. The people usually shot by cops are not upstanding citizens. Many of them are exactly the kind of people these SJW's would run out of town in a New York minute. It amuses me to see them turn into the exact people they protest against.

Odd if the media hasn't reported on this. Do you have any links to the story of this BLM activist being arrested, or do you even have just a name for this guy?
 

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extrapolating one nut job town to the nation just doesnt cut it. hippy towns are notoriously short on blacks.

I was referring only to those people in my town.

BTW: We're not "short on Blacks." We have the same percentage of Blacks as the US does as a whole: 15%. What we are short on is Mexicans. That's probably due to the socialism and resulting lack of opportunity for the low skilled and under educated. Mexicans here prefer the Republican strongholds of the surrounding area.
 

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This is interesting. I just saw it when I looked up the article shown above. I do not know who this group is which posted this just yet. But, I'll look into it.

In specific, we write to address the alleged rape, along with dozens of accounts of sexual harassment by Talis Gage/Talis X, who has been an active leader in social justice spaces. Substantial research has been done to determine that these allegations are not trumped up or isolated events. Because he has not taken responsibility for his actions against 39 women (as of this writing), or even acknowledged the harm he has caused, his involvement in social justice work is both dangerous to the people he may be organizing with and detrimental to the organizations themselves.

In signing this statement, we commit to removing Talis Gage from leadership and participation in our organizing efforts as we continue to seek accountability, thereby committing to the safety of the women who were victim to these acts.

https://www.change.org/p/all-of-us-speak-out-against-sexual-violence
 
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For the record, I support Talis in his claim that he is innocent. I would not have bailed him out of jail, obviously. But, I do support the notion that he will have a day in court and that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
 

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Any link to FB where this furor erupted?

Not without revealing too much personal info. Plus, the "discussion" occurred in a closed group, one pretty much reserved for local residents. You'll just have to trust that my summary is fairly close to accurate. Also, the link from Change.org site I provided above should give a good idea of the fervor generated without needing to se the actual FB thread.

As for Talis and his Cleveland roots, his background both in the BLM and in his encounters with LEO, all that stuff can be found searching his name.
 
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Not without revealing too much personal info. Plus, the "discussion" occurred in a closed group, one pretty much reserved for local residents. You'll just have to trust that my summary is fairly close to accurate. Also, the link from Change.org site I provided above should give a good idea of the fervor generated without needing to se the actual FB thread.

As for Talis and his Cleveland roots, his background both in the BLM and in his encounters with LEO, all that stuff can be found searching his name.

Nothing personal, but you'll have to excuse me for not trusting something someone on the internet says unless I can verify it (such as the fact that Talis is Clevelan born, a BLM activist, and was arrested for rape, burglary, etc
 

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Nothing personal, but you'll have to excuse me for not trusting something someone on the internet says unless I can verify it (such as the fact that Talis is Clevelan born, a BLM activist, and was arrested for rape, burglary, etc

Clearly all that can be googled, including this thread, apparently. lol

Anyway, he's clearly a BLM activist and self-identified Black Nationalist. Which is fine. I have no issue with either.
We Are The Light Brigade: Talis Gage ... Identifying the Open Carry Protesters at the Trump Cincinnati Rally.

As for being born in Cleveland. I certainly did not say that. I only stated that he came here from Cleveland. For all I know he was born in Texas or even here, in YS.

https://www.intelius.com/people/Talis-Gage/06ecb1dws7w

One thing on which I am relying heavily upon the FB thread for as a source is who bailed him out. I have not been able to verify that the BLM group bailed him out. But that is what was reported in the thread. It's suspect because we also have local activists who bail out people like Talis, which is also fine. I have no issue with him being bailed out. It's a right.

The gist of my op is to point out that those who would condemn people in Chicago or St Louis for their actions are the same who freak out when Talis is now back on the street. I wonder what their reaction would be if he ends up shot by a cop while resisting arrest, should he either not show up for court or perhaps assault another female.
 
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IMO, the gripe I have with groups like BLM is the black and white approach they take to police shootings. It is my experience that each and every police shooting must be taken on its own merits. If someone resists arrest and gets shot, that is less of a surprise than if someone complies and gets executed anyway. IMO, BLM does not distinguish between the two, at least it has not done so yet. And, IMO, again, this harms the efforts of the group and does disservice to the many cases where police clearly have stepped over the line and shot an innocent person for no reason.
 

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Skin color doesn't matter, here. BLM isn't about racial issues, BLM is about spearheading socialism. Just look at their latest manifesto. Correctly, socialists of many skin colors are for BLM.

Agreed. I am both a socialist and a supporter of BLM. I think racism and the lack of progress for middle-class, working class, and poor families are not unrelated. I think the lack of racial solidarity has contributed significantly to the unhealthy, unacceptable, and immoral amount of income inequality, because it divides people who are in similar situations, and this is a tactic that was explicitly used to promote Ronald Reagan's neoliberal agenda in the 1980's, especially the austerity measures.


As for the OP, it's clearly absurd. Even if we suppose that one BLM supporter committed rape, presuming that the cops haven't charged him with this crime as a purely retaliatory move, that says nothing --I mean absolutely nothing-- about the validity of the movement, about the actions of the group as a whole, and so on. You are literally just using racial profiling to justify further racial bias, in an overall argument to argue that racial profiling and racial inequality in the justice system don't exist. That's absurd and self-refuting.
 
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Agreed. I am both a socialist and a supporter of BLM. I think racism and the lack of progress for middle-class, working class, and poor families are not unrelated. I think the lack of racial solidarity has contributed significantly to the unhealthy, unacceptable, and immoral amount of income inequality, because it divides people who are in similar situations, and this is a tactic that was explicitly used to promote Ronald Reagan's neoliberal agenda in the 1980's, especially the austerity measures.
nonsense


As for the OP, it's clearly absurd. Even if we suppose that one BLM supporter committed rape, presuming that the cops haven't charged him with this crime as a purely retaliatory move, that says nothing --I mean absolutely nothing-- about the validity of the movement, about the actions of the group as a whole, and so on. You are literally just using racial profiling to justify further racial bias, in an overall argument to argue that racial profiling and racial inequality in the justice system don't exist. That's absurd and self-refuting.

That's not at all what I was conveying with this story. Not even close.
 

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Again, with an argument that compelling, it's difficult to mount a counter response.


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As for the OP, it's clearly absurd. Even if we suppose that one BLM supporter committed rape, presuming that the cops haven't charged him with this crime as a purely retaliatory move, that says nothing --I mean absolutely nothing-- about the validity of the movement, about the actions of the group as a whole, and so on. You are literally just using racial profiling to justify further racial bias, in an overall argument to argue that racial profiling and racial inequality in the justice system don't exist. That's absurd and self-refuting.
That's not at all what I was conveying with this story. Not even close.

Actually, that's exactly what your story was trying to convey. You literally argued that BLM activists were criminal and that we should expect criminal behavior from these blacks from "South Chicago or Detroit," to wit:

"A BLM activist, a back man who came here from Cleveland, has been charged with a local rape, burglary and other crimes. That by itself is not a surprise, at least not to me. [...] The people usually shot by cops are not upstanding citizens. Many of them are exactly the kind of people these SJW's would run out of town in a New York minute."​

You can talk about the hypocrisy of this supposedly "little hippie village, liberal college town," but the OP reads like the usual right-wing drivel on this subject, where the nice white community allowed in the criminal black man and then he proceeded to rape the wholesome white women. You can pretend like this wasn't your OP, but it takes all of three seconds to read the OP and your follow up comments to secure that I was 100% truthful in what I said.
 

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Again, with an argument that compelling, it's difficult to mount a counter response.




Actually, that's exactly what your story was trying to convey. You literally argued that BLM activists were criminal and that we should expect criminal behavior from these blacks from "South Chicago or Detroit," to wit:

"A BLM activist, a back man who came here from Cleveland, has been charged with a local rape, burglary and other crimes. That by itself is not a surprise, at least not to me. [...] The people usually shot by cops are not upstanding citizens. Many of them are exactly the kind of people these SJW's would run out of town in a New York minute."​

You can talk about the hypocrisy of this supposedly "little hippie village, liberal college town," but the OP reads like the usual right-wing drivel on this subject, where the nice white community allowed in the criminal black man and then he proceeded to rape the wholesome white women. You can pretend like this wasn't your OP, but it takes all of three seconds to read the OP and your follow up comments to secure that I was 100% truthful in what I said.

Well, the people usually shot by cops are criminals who refused to comply with a direct police order, often doing something threatening on top of it. So, in that sense, I have no sympathy for the dead bad guys, white or black.

As for the thread, the argument is that it's easy to criticize crime fighters when someone lives in an upscale community that has virtually no crime--much like the one I suspect you yourself live in, I might add--but then, when the crime comes close to home, the response is to suddenly morph into the exact thing they are criticizing.
 
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