White Privilege

[FaithB]

I agree, racism and harping on it all the time is how liberals/Democrats keep the chaos and hate going



I believe in fair and equal for everyone


that's partially true yes, as was most countries in the world 200-300 years ago


nobody ever said that

blacks aren't better, whites aren't better, browns aren't better ....... skin color doesn't make anybody anything better/worse

Liberals and Democrats are racist against Black people themselves. They just pretend to be "nicer" to get votes.

You believe in equal and fair, but it is not about what you believe. It's about reality based on people's actions and experiences

As for nobody saying skin color determines who is better, there is plenty of stereotyping and hate speech to the contrary.

 

[stealthycat]

Liberals and Democrats are racist against Black people themselves. They just pretend to be "nicer" to get votes.

I 100% agree with this

You believe in equal and fair, but it is not about what you believe. It's about reality based on people's actions and experiences

I can only control me

As for nobody saying skin color determines who is better, there is plenty of stereotyping and hate speech to the contrary.

this is true - again, I can control me and I can discuss it all ..... really not much more I can do

 

[FaithB]

a person filled with racism ,hating people ,sexism ... isn't illegal really

but

we can make it illegal to use those things for hiring practices, college admissions, etc etc.

affirmative action is legalized discrimination
DEI is legalized discrimination

if we're going to allow those then go back to using black skin color as a reason to not hire or a woman or gay ........... its literally the same thing

DEI helped white people the most. Plus it was just a few years old while there are centuries worth of issues to consider.

Affirmative action has been dead and also helped white women and thus white people the most.
A white government will never create something or pass laws or end slavery or do anything "moral" unless whites are gonna profit the most.
That's how the USA has always worked.

Even the 13th Amendment did not fully end slavery. The Constitution kept in place for certain people because of the money

 

[Cope]

Overrepresented according to whom? A racist government? Okay then sure.Teen pregnancy numbers have dropped tremendously.

As a percent of population. If you want a government for some different group of people with a different culture, color tone, rules, regulations or anything other than what we have here, there are options. Perhaps move there and impose your will.

Contrary to popular belief, white people are not the standard of society, morals, education and value. "White statistics" are not anything worthy that black people should be judged by.

They are since they founded the country in their image. As I have said, this is changing, slowly but the starting point most certainly was European, religious, and male dominated.

Grouping people by superficial race alone and not exploring the personal details about the people they are stereotyping I mean "studying", is peak and foundational racism.
People are individuals, not just statistics.

And groups of people are groups of people.

The only way white people look superior is when they are compared to black people. That is what all statistics are about, to make whites look superior when in reality, remove that small 12% of the population and look at white people's raw numbers.
Forget that, just look around and see how great again everyone is doing

I'm not trying to be superior, I am trying to fix certain problems a lot more prominent in some groups than others. THOSE problems are the root of a lot of the problems they encounter. If they dealt with them in a positive manner, they would enjoy much more economic and social success.

OR, they can blame whitey. Don't worry though, there are plenty of other apologists willing to excuse them.

 

[stealthycat]

DEI helped white people the most. Plus it was just a few years old while there are centuries worth of issues to consider.

wrong - 100% wrong

Affirmative action has been dead and also helped white women and thus white people the most.

wrong

A white government will never create something or pass laws or end slavery or do anything "moral" unless whites are gonna profit the most.
That's how the USA has always worked.

I disagree - and if you believe that, then a brown govt and black govt would only do what's best for themselves too then, right ?

 

[Lursa]

Please explain how unwed motherhood is a result of white privilege.

Context?

 

[FaithB]

As a percent of population. If you want a government for some different group of people with a different culture, color tone, rules, regulations or anything other than what we have here, there are options. Perhaps move there and impose your will.

It is mathematically impossible to justify comparing 12% of a sample size to 60 or 70%. That's not how we learned fractions and percentages in Elementary school. Larger denominator/population = smaller percentage numbers.

The fact is, the concept of whiteness cannot exist on its own. Whiteness needs an enemy, a villain, to constantly have something to control and to fear. They needed pseudoscience to compare and contrast white vs black, then once the pseudoscience and other scientific racism was outdated, then they moved on to flawed statistics to "prove" racial hierarchies. I was 12 when all these 'statistics' started circulating. I knew they were total bullshit at age 12. Here we are in 2025 and people still regurgitate the same talking points from when I was 12. And my ass is old. There's no hope for humans

They are since they founded the country in their image.

Exactly right, their image of genocide is exactly what this country is found on. How are so many white people not able to succeed in a country handed to them on a genocidal platter?

I'm not trying to be superior, I am trying to fix certain problems a lot more prominent in some groups than others. THOSE problems are the root of a lot of the problems they encounter. If they dealt with them in a positive manner, they would enjoy much more economic and social success.

OR, they can blame whitey. Don't worry though, there are plenty of other apologists willing to excuse them.

How do you know what problems they encounter? No one needs you to fix anything, unless you want to start by fixing white people's generational and historical dysfunction.

 

[markdc]

Agreed.



What about the Bush's and Trumps's ??
,

Good call on the Shrubs.
Btw, I already included the Trumps.

Mark

 

[Cope]

It is mathematically impossible to justify comparing 12% of a sample size to 60 or 70%. That's not how we learned fractions and percentages in Elementary school. Larger denominator/population = smaller percentage numbers.

I mean, yes. That is how it is being measured.
Like 13% of the population, but accounts for upwards of 50% of violent crime. ... etc etc

The fact is, the concept of whiteness cannot exist on its own. Whiteness needs an enemy, a villain, to constantly have something to control and to fear. They needed pseudoscience to compare and contrast white vs black, then once the pseudoscience and other scientific racism was outdated, then they moved on to flawed statistics to "prove" racial hierarchies. I was 12 when all these 'statistics' started circulating. I knew they were total bullshit at age 12. Here we are in 2025 and people still regurgitate the same talking points from when I was 12. And my ass is old. There's no hope for humans

Whiteness needs no enemy. In fact, the enemy needs whiteness, thus the name. Otherwise it wouldn't be called anything, it simply would be.

The stuff you mention certainly did happen, in order to justify keeping a second class citizen, second class (or none at all). However, that is not in today's world and hasn't been for quite some time. Opportunities exist for all, if they are willing to grasp them, take responsibility for themselves and get to work.

Exactly right, their image of genocide is exactly what this country is found on. How are so many white people not able to succeed in a country handed to them on a genocidal platter?

Blather.

How do you know what problems they encounter? No one needs you to fix anything, unless you want to start by fixing white people's generational and historical dysfunction.

I don't care what problems they encounter. We all face problems.
In fact, that is what personal responsibility does. It put the onus on SELF to fix/overcome/prioritize/succeed/ or fail.

Sans that though, you have groups clamoring to EXCUSE and justify the failings, and bad characteristics that lead to failure.
If you are waiting for the government to come fix things for you, I have a feeling you'll be long dead before that happens.

 

[blur]

DEI was/is advancing people based on skin color, sexual choices, gender etc ....

US Supreme Court Clarifies Standard in Reverse-Discrimination Cases | Insights | Mayer Brown

Decision Alert: Ames v. Ohio Dep’t of Youth Svcs. Introduction: On June 5, 2025, the United States Supreme Court issued a unanimous

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• This decision signals a recognition by the Supreme Court of the continuing validity of discrimination claims brought by majority-group plaintiffs, and that such claims will receive consideration by the Court. This is important to keep in mind as possible challenges to diversity, equity, and inclusion (“DEI”) programs and policies are litigated and will possibly reach the Supreme Court in the coming years. Indeed, Justice Thomas specifically refers to DEI initiatives in footnote 3 of his concurrence, stating that DEI initiatives “have often led to overt discrimination against those perceived to be in the majority.” This footnote will surely be cited in the future as legal challenges to DEI programs are expected to increase.

see above - DEI is literally discrimination, exclusion and inequality

You do realize what you quoted does not say that "DEI" is "literally" discrimination, only that there may be court cases in the future regarding DEI. Justice Thomas says DEI initiatives "often lead" (not always lead) to "overt discrimination", but he offers no examples, and not all SCOTUS judges agree with him. So, all this amounts to is an "appeal to authority", but this doesn't actually add anything to your argument.

Now, I have question for you: How does ensuring that disabled people are working and/or learning in accessible environments and using accessible technology (like closed-captioning, sign-language interpreters, accessible furniture, etc.) discriminate against others? How does having resources/programs catered specifically to the experiences of Veterans (mental health services, academic support, career transition assistance, etc.) discriminate against others? Those are two examples of DEI initiatives.

show me where that is legal - a law/rule/program etc. it shouldn't be - we shouldn't use skin color as a measure

Sure, for context, here are some facts:

• Ivy League admissions have around a 3% to 10% chance of being accepted, but if that application is from a recruited athlete that chance of acceptance jumps up to 98% so long as that student meets the bare minimum requirements for academic performance (https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...-of-ivy-league-admissions-than-legacy-status/).

• 65% of recruited athletes who get accepted into Ivy League schools are white (https://www.ivycoach.com/press/best...nt-at-elite-colleges-skews-wealthy-and-white/).

• Around 15%-20% of students enrolled at Ivy League schools are recruited athletes (https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-co...ivy-league-athletic-recruiting-and-attrition/). This means that a minimum of 10% of the population of Ivy League schools are comprised of white students who were accepted on something other than academic merit (this is not counting white students who were admitted based on legacy, family faculty, low-income status, etc.).

• The number of black students attended at Ivy Leagues schools is around 8% (https://blog.collegevine.com/the-demographics-of-the-ivy-league).

• Black people back up around 14% of the United States population (https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/fact-sheet/facts-about-the-us-black-population/), so this means black people are actually underrepresented at Ivy League schools even when affirmative action was in place.

This also means that white students are more likely than black students to have been admitted based on some other than pure academic merit. This is also means that being a recruited athlete weighs much heavier than affirmative action does in the admission process, as 98% of recruited athletes are accepted vs. only 11% of black applicants.

Discrimination is an action that needs to have material impact on a group of people, but the numbers here show that white students far more opportunities to get into an Ivy League school based on something other than academic merit, than black students do.

 

[blur]

wealth has a lot to do with the admission
test scores too

This is true. Test score show academic merit, wealth does not. But also, a student who receives a private education (which often comes down to whether or not the parents can afford it) typically gets a higher standard of education and is more likely to be accepted into college/university (especially high-ranking and Ivy League schools) than a student who received a public education (https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public-school). So, even the ability to receive a higher standard of education often comes down to whether or not your parents are rich.

I don't know that you can find me ever arguing about legacy admissions being ok but if you're going to blow that up, then you have to blow up HBCU's too and all the things that are black only because here we are again, you're hating on something that's white based (for arguments sake) but why isn't that ok with the HCBU's we have in the USA ?

HCBU's are not "black only." They all accept white students (white students make up about 12% of those enrolled across all HCBUs). In-fact, some HCBUs have become majority white over the years like Bluefield State University which is now 90% white, and West Virginia State University which is now over 60% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...s_and_universities#Racial_diversity_post-2000).

and again, there are things that affect whites way more than blacks - that black's don't get treated for

This doesn't contradict what I said. Of course there are some conditions (like AFIB) that are more common in white people, but now every Apple Watch has an AFIB detector built in. The point is, in health conditions that are more likely to impact white people, those are more likely to have enough research and awareness-raised for white people to receive appropriate diagnosis and treatment when they begin experiencing symptoms. Every condition you listed is monitored as part of routine health check-ups. Sickle cell anemia is not (because it's rare among the general population).

To be clear, I'm saying "white people are evil because they aren't as likely to get certain health conditions as black people." This is a neutral issue. But this is an example of how being a majority in a town still does not afford you certain benefits that being a majority in the country can afford you, and those benefits can impact things like health. DEI programs within the healthcare system are simply meant to spread awareness on these health issues that might impact certain minority demographics, but are rare among the general population.

 

[blur]

and I do understand what you're saying - and 100 years ago you were right, maybe 75 years ago ... this is 2025, its not the the 1950's anymore

I'm happy to repeat myself:

In employment, here is what some of those obstacles look like:

A study conducted in 2004, found that “black sounding” names were less likely to receive a call-back for a job interview than “white sounding” names despite similar or the same qualifications (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/0002828042002561). More recently, researchers at the University of California, Berkeley and the University of Chicago expanded on that premise, filing 83,000 fake job applications for 11,000 entry-level positions at a variety of Fortune 500 companies. They found that the presumed white applicants were around 9% more likely to receive a call-back from a potential employer than the black candidates were. That number rose to around 24% for the worst offenders. (bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/A-Discrimination-Report-Card-1.pdf).

Young black American males, even from the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-off neighborhoods, still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...EB0BDB191538718DEE&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALL

In education, the obstacles can look like this:

Researchers also found that teachers who were asked to rate students’ academic abilities would score black children far below their white peers even with identical scores (https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...rens-efforts/F3F39A2BCA0CC35CA27029E725928C12).

Teachers are more likely to label black students as troublemakers than they are white students with the same number of infractions (https://www.psychologicalscience.or...to-label-black-students-as-troublemakers.html).

In housing, the obstacles can look like this:

Black home owners are more likely than white home owners to have high cost mortgages even after controlling for credit score and other key risk factors (https://ww.nber.org/papers/w22004).

In healthcare:

Compared to white people, black people (and other racial/ethnic minorities) are receive preventive health services and often receive lower-quality care (https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...ng-racial-disparities-health-care-confronting)

A substantial number of white laypeople and medical students and residents hold false beliefs about biological differences between blacks and whites and demonstrates that these beliefs predict racial bias in pain perception and treatment recommendation accuracy. This can have a negative impact on the quality of care black people receive: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843483/).

And, of course, in law enforcement/legal system:

White defendants are twenty-five percent more likely than black defendants to have their principal initial charge dropped or reduced to a lesser crime. White defendants with no prior convictions receive charge reductions more often than black defendants with no prior convictions (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3036726).

Black offenders get longer sentences than white offenders for similar history and crimes (http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf).

 

[stealthycat]

Now, I have question for you: How does ensuring that disabled people are working and/or learning in accessible environments and using accessible technology (like closed-captioning, sign-language interpreters, accessible furniture, etc.) discriminate against others?

if you give them weighted preferences based on ______________ its discrimination that's DEI

don't hire someone because they're got a disability .... hire them because they're the best for the job

How does having resources/programs catered specifically to the experiences of Veterans (mental health services, academic support, career transition assistance, etc.) discriminate against others? Those are two examples of DEI initiatives.

that's not DEI all that is available for everyone isn't it ?

 

[stealthycat]

This is true. Test score show academic merit, wealth does not. But also, a student who receives a private education (which often comes down to whether or not the parents can afford it) typically gets a higher standard of education and is more likely to be accepted into college/university (especially high-ranking and Ivy League schools) than a student who received a public education (https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public-school). So, even the ability to receive a higher standard of education often comes down to whether or not your parents are rich.

wealth privilege is real --- its why if a person doesn't like their wealth status? they need to work hard, make good decisions and NOT be there

HCBU's are not "black only." They all accept white students (white students make up about 12% of those enrolled across all HCBUs). In-fact, some HCBUs have become majority white over the years like Bluefield State University which is now 90% white, and West Virginia State University which is now over 60% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...s_and_universities#Racial_diversity_post-2000).

and no IVY league schools are white only - you know that

HCBU's are the only example I know where whites get special treatment (enrollments/scholarships) .... and when compared to Ivy league the issues is really wealth to get in vs color of skin isn't it ? its not racism

This doesn't contradict what I said. Of course there are some conditions (like AFIB) that are more common in white people, but now every Apple Watch has an AFIB detector built in. The point is, in health conditions that are more likely to impact white people, those are more likely to have enough research and awareness-raised for white people to receive appropriate diagnosis and treatment when they begin experiencing symptoms. Every condition you listed is monitored as part of routine health check-ups. Sickle cell anemia is not (because it's rare among the general population).

not a contradict - its that you want to look at one way and not look at the other in an attempt to say discrimination

its not

To be clear, I'm saying "white people are evil because they aren't as likely to get certain health conditions as black people." This is a neutral issue. But this is an example of how being a majority in a town still does not afford you certain benefits that being a majority in the country can afford you, and those benefits can impact things like health. DEI programs within the healthcare system are simply meant to spread awareness on these health issues that might impact certain minority demographics, but are rare among the general population.

I don't think you're saying that at all

I think you think there is a mystical invisible privilege whites have - where there are no rules, regulations of laws showing it

But there ARE rules/laws/regulations etc that give weight to black skin color as well as acceptances of ethnic things that are accepted (but whites can't have the same thing) ...... which isn't fair, its not equal and its discrimination

 

[stealthycat]

what you are wanting is everyone gets paid the same, treated the same, have the same things, ..... and it doesn't matter anything else as long as we're all identical

you seem to think that me having a million dollar net worth is unfair because the black guy down the street who didn't graduate high school, did drugs, drank heavy, a life of bad choices, no jobs and bad decisions doesn't have what I have

75 years ago and more, racism did impact things ... this is 2025

If a person wants something - go get it. We have example of racism/discrimination/sexism right now in the USA that used white/male/heterosexual against people - that is DEI and its literally discrimination

I'm against that

You can give all the studies and such you want to - doesn't mean its mystical/invisible white privilege in today's 2025 world

now, when Biden says if you're white, you're not going to be considered and a male, you'll be be considered either for SC judge positions ? that's literally discrimination

SC just ruled - " Ames sued her employer, the Ohio Department of Youth Services, after she said she was turned down for a promotion in favor of a gay woman and then demoted and replaced by a gay man. " that was DEI ............ and it was discrimination and called exactly what it was

 

[blur]

Lost what? Again, I never said I supported the NAAWP. I used it in contrast to the NAACP to show the hypocrisy of blacks and others who view the white organization as racist but view the black organizatin as some good and righteous thing. Which you are a perfect example of.

Those organizations represent two very different stances. It would be one thing if the NAACP were preaching pro-segregation and claiming black people to be "superior" to white people, but they aren't. NAAWP preached pro-segregation, and that white people were "superior" to black people. The only similarities these two groups have are their names, but not their practices. Your comparison is superficial.

I don't care how many awards the NAACP gives to any white people. They do so for the furtherance of their black racism. They need stupid whites to support them. Which is why they don't dare touch the Lincoln Memorial, though Lincoln was a white supremacist and could have cared less for the blacks.

You're expressing an opinion, not a fact. You have no evidence to back up what you say. Of the 6 people who founded the NAACP, 4 of them were white. White people continue to be employed by the NAACP. Their actions suggest they wish to collaborate with white people. How many of the founders of the NAAWP were black? How many awards did the NAAWP hand out to black people?

The South seceded because the North refused their Constituional right and protections of slavery.

The Dred Scott decision came down to assumptions on what the intention of the founding fathers would be in the present time they were in. At time of the ratification of the Constitution, 5 out of the original 13 states had already granted citizenship to black people. If the framers didn't want black people to have citizenship, they would have put that in the original Constitution. Furthermore, George Washington wrote that he wished to see a plan “by which slavery may be abolished by slow, sure & imperceptible degrees.” These facts contradict the assumptions made in the Dred Scott decision.

Why didn't Lincoln free those black slaves in Northern States when he gave his 'Emacipation Proclamation' in 1863?

Lincoln didn't think the Constitution had granted him authority to do so at the time. He justified the Emancipation Proclamation because of the broad powers that are granted to the President in wartime, but he didn't think that would extend over to the Union (and the other branches of government would have considered it overreach). Presidents don't have the power to do whatever they want whenever they want, it needs to be within their designated powers and with justification. That said, he actively lobbied for the Thirteenth Amendment to be passed in Congress, and ensured that it would be added to the Republican Party's Platform for the 1864 Presidential election. Still did a lot more for black people than the Confederacy did.

Well, you want data and stats. No, I'm not lying. The literacy rate in South Africa is falling. I wonder why?

This is kinda pathetic now. I've offered multiple sources that contradict what you're saying, and you can't offer one to support your statement? Sad. Do you also wonder why so many countries with black majority populations do better than countries like America with white majority populations?

Any quote I gave, I gave the reference to. Show me where I didn't.

"tif Wal-mart leaves, where are you going to steal from?" You offered no source for this quote, and this the quote I was requesting a source for.

Show me where I misrepresented.

You were referring to the quote that Nikole Hannah-Jones said, and then said "Let the same be said and taught in schools about blacks and see what the 'backlash' would be." However, the quote from Nikole Hannah-Jones (or anything like it) is not being taught in schools.

 

[blur]

if you give them weighted preferences based on ______________ its discrimination that's DEI

don't hire someone because they're got a disability .... hire them because they're the best for the job

You're not addressing the specific example I offered. I didn't mention anything about "hiring" someone, I'm talking about accommodations in the workplace/school that help people with disabilities do their work. Do you think that's discrimination?

that's not DEI all that is available for everyone isn't it ?

Many DEI programs included Veterans:

Federal VITAL Program Delivers Extensive Campus Support to Student Veterans | Insight Into Academia

Many higher education institutions offer support to active military and veteran students through designated offices and personnel, but these individuals may still need to go off campus to receive additional services through their local Veterans Affairs (VA) facility. A growing number of...

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Atlantic Cape Community College Libraries: Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI) Resource Toolkit: Veterans

Atlantic Cape Community College Libraries: Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI) Resource Toolkit: Veterans

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https://vets.umich.edu/events/veteran-status-part-diversity-equity-and-inclusion

Those services are available to everyone, but DEI allowed for specialized care that helped Veterans as their circumstances can be different than your average student. Not all mental health professionals are equipped to deal with all kinds of mental health issues, and special training can be required to deal with more specific ones. Mental health professionals on campus would collaborate with local VA hospitals to better help provide the proper care and resources to Veterans who might be dealing with PTSD or complex guilt or other issues more prevalent among Veterans. Additionally, there are many programs set up for Veterans to enter into different career paths, the DEI programs helped ensure that these programs would be offered to Veterans.

wealth privilege is real --- its why if a person doesn't like their wealth status? they need to work hard, make good decisions and NOT be there

Absolutely. But many wealthy people inherit their wealth, and then may even accrue more wealth on top of it. For example, most billionaires in 2023 inherited their wealth as opposed to earned it: https://www.investopedia.com/more-b...heritance-overtaking-entrepreneurship-8409800

Shouldn't stop anyone from working hard, but many don't have to work hard to get it.

and no IVY league schools are white only - you know that

....

I have spent the better part of our discussion giving you stats on black students attending Ivy League schools. Where did you get that I thought that Ivy League schools were "white only"?

HCBU's are the only example I know where whites get special treatment (enrollments/scholarships) .... and when compared to Ivy league the issues is really wealth to get in vs color of skin isn't it ? its not racism

Black people face more obstacles in obtaining wealth than white people. So, it is still a race problem. You still have answered my question, do you think it's fine for recruited athletes to have admission preference? How about students from low-income backgrounds? Or students who's parents are faculty?

not a contradict - its that you want to look at one way and not look at the other in an attempt to say discrimination

I'm not calling it "discrimination." I'm saying there are disadvantages to being a minority in a country even if you are among the majority in a town. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just statin that is a fact, and that minorities deserve to have their needs taken care of even if they do not reflect the needs of the majority.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

They doing bad because the white people they're " allowed" to be around, are themselves doing bad. Majority white rural areas depend on Medicaid, food stamps...and they have high obesity rates and high suicide rates. So why are whites doing bad?

I stole this from Dr. Stacey Patton

---Fox News talking points about Black-on-Black crime in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly, etc., I want Y’all to start listing their crusty, collapsing, opioid-riddled wastelands. There's white dysfunction, racism, addiction, crime, illiteracy, and incest.
Y’all ready? Get your pens out . .
.
Salt Lake City, Utah – Meth, heroin, and white teen suicide rates

Portland, Oregon – This place is gentrified, homeless-filled, and teetering on the edge of an apocalypse.

Boise, Idaho – White nationalist recruiting ground with fentanyl overdoses.

Spokane, Washington – Meth trailers, missing teeth, and more white-on-white domestic violence than a Lifetime movie marathon.

Duluth, Minnesota – Here is a place where the snow is thick, the heroin is cheap, and the racism is politely passive-aggressive.

Youngstown, Ohio – Boarded-up buildings, drug dens, and enough despair to write ten Bruce Springsteen albums.

Morgantown, West Virginia – Meth labs, overdoses, and “Let’s Go Brandon” flags fluttering in the breeze of generational failure.

Springfield, Missouri – High crime, low hope, and a broken education system.

Erie, Pennsylvania – Think Detroit without culture or rhythm.

Billings, Montana, Fort Smith, Arkansas, Manchester, New Hampshire, Knoxville, Tennessee, Harlan County, Kentucky – Crime, meth, overdoses, and casual racism.
Grundy, Virginia – known for pill mills, poverty, and cousins who double as soulmates. Add to that: Pikeville, Kentucky and Logan, West Virginia. Paintsville, Kentucky – fentanyl, food stamps, and folks who still think Elvis is coming back.
Bluefield, and Elins, West Virginia –where everyone’s related, addicted, or both. Add Jackson County, Ohio, Hazard, Kentucky (the name fits), Clay County, Kentucky, Letcher County, Kentucky, Owsley County, Kentucky, and McDowell County, West Virginia – the most overdosed, underfunded, and inbred place east of the Mississippi.

You’re talking about a small minority of whites. A majority are successful.

 

[tharock220]

These are two similar incidents that happened around the same time in Texas. A black man and a white man were the targets of no-knock warrants over marijuana. Both men shot and killed police officers as they entered the houses.

The black man, Marvin Louis Guy, had no drugs and was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison after spending 10 years waiting for a trial.
https://kdhnews.com/news/crime/guy-...cle_11fadcd4-8d60-11ee-b96a-434201e9a395.html

The white man, Henry Magee, got 18 months for possession, but the murder charge was dimissed.
https://www.kbtx.com/content/news/M...-serving-time-for-drug-charges-418017733.html

Imagine how happy leftoids get when they hear potential free government money. I get that sort of happy when I hear about dipshit police officers getting killed doing something as stupid as playing SWAT team over weed.

Why the difference in sentences?

 

[blur]

you seem to think that me having a million dollar net worth is unfair because the black guy down the street who didn't graduate high school, did drugs, drank heavy, a life of bad choices, no jobs and bad decisions doesn't have what I have

That's not at all what I'm saying. I think I'd great if you have a million dollar net worth, and I don't think it's "unfair." But you're not addressing the studies that I listed, which were comparing black and white people who were treated differently despite their similar/same circumstances. Everyone is responsible for their choices, but they are not necessarily always responsible for how they are treated.

now, when Biden says if you're white, you're not going to be considered and a male, you'll be be considered either for SC judge positions ? that's literally discrimination

Where did Biden say that?

SC just ruled - " Ames sued her employer, the Ohio Department of Youth Services, after she said she was turned down for a promotion in favor of a gay woman and then demoted and replaced by a gay man. " that was DEI ............ and it was discrimination and called exactly what it was

The Supreme Court didn't rule that she was discriminated against, just that the lower courts who had previously thrown out her case, have to handle her case.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Start with typing in a search bar "white women and affirmative action"
It's hilarious that people fear Affirmative Action and DEI, when they have an entire white empire built for them to oppress others. Imagine that.

And even then Affirmative action and dei still benefitted white people more than they benefitted black people.
There has never been anything ever created by the government that benefits Black people over white people. This is a white country.
Not talking about just statistics but power.
Nothing about DEI nor affirmative action has any effect on dismantling white supremacy terrorism. It's in full effect, but sacred of nonprofit organizations and limited civil rights

I’m not the one to back up that claim, because it’s not my claim. So typing in a search bar isn’t for me to disprove, but for someone else to prove. My claim is Affirmative Action discriminates as it’s shown by the Supreme Court.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

DEI helped white people the most. Plus it was just a few years old while there are centuries worth of issues to consider.

Affirmative action has been dead and also helped white women and thus white people the most.
A white government will never create something or pass laws or end slavery or do anything "moral" unless whites are gonna profit the most.
That's how the USA has always worked.

Even the 13th Amendment did not fully end slavery. The Constitution kept in place for certain people because of the money

So tell us, how has Affirmative Action helped white women?….(grabs popcorn)

 

[stealthycat]

You're not addressing the specific example I offered. I didn't mention anything about "hiring" someone, I'm talking about accommodations in the workplace/school that help people with disabilities do their work. Do you think that's discrimination?

I specifically was

no and that's not DEI in the way that discrimination is impacted

Absolutely. But many wealthy people inherit their wealth,

that's actually liberal media lies

AI Overview

A significant majority of wealthy individuals, including millionaires and billionaires, earn their wealth rather than inheriting it. Estimates range from 70% to 88% of millionaires being considered self-made, with some studies indicating that up to 79% of millionaires did not receive any inheritance at all. Similarly, research suggests that a large portion of billionaires, especially those on the Forbes 400 list, have built their wealth through entrepreneurial ventures or business growth.

Black people face more obstacles in obtaining wealth than white people. So, it is still a race problem. You still have answered my question, do you think it's fine for recruited athletes to have admission preference? How about students from low-income backgrounds? Or students who's parents are faculty?

not in 2025, and in fact whites/men/heterosexuals do because of DEI

I'm not calling it "discrimination." Most of the wealth accumulated by new billionaires in 2023 came from inheritance even if you are among the majority in a town

why cherry pick "new" and "billionaires" ?

. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just statin that is a fact, and that minorities deserve to have their needs taken care of even if they do not reflect the needs of the majority.

no, 100% NO

they don't "deserve" anything because of skin color/race

that's BS and that's the core disagreement we have here - you'd place obstacles/discrimination/sexism on whites/men/heterosexuals to "have their needs taken care of" ..... I will never. Instead, if you want it? go earn it. good decisions, hard work, good choices ..... and anyone in the USA in 2025 can have that

fair and equal scares the heck out of liberals - Democrats lobby hard for racism/sexism/discrimination and I'll call it what it is 100% of the time

 

[blur]

@stealthycat, I appreciate this discussion. I've learned a lot in the process. I do think we're having some issues with getting on the same page with what the other person is actually trying to say, so I hope to clarify.

I specifically was

no and that's not DEI in the way that discrimination is impacted

I'm giving you actual examples DEI programs. DEI and Affirmative Action are not the same.

I don't normally use AI Overview, but since you seem to trust it (though I would recommend always fact checking what it says, it can be inconsistent):

"AI Overview

No, DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) and Affirmative Action are not the same, though they share some common goals. Affirmative Action is a legal policy that focuses on specific measures to address past discrimination by prioritizing underrepresented groups in hiring and education. DEI is a broader framework that aims to create inclusive environments where everyone feels valued and can thrive, encompassing diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives."

The media has been using the two interchangeably, so I understand the confusion. Could it be that you are fine with certain implementations of DEI (for example, initiatives for disabled people and veterans), but just not affirmative action?

that's actually liberal media lies

No lies. I said "many", not "most." On the topic of students getting into private schools, most are able to do so because of their parent's money (i.e. inherited wealth).

why cherry pick "new" and "billionaires" ?

I was offering an example of instances where wealth is not earned.

no, 100% NO

they don't "deserve" anything because of skin color/race

that's BS and that's the core disagreement we have here - you'd place obstacles/discrimination/sexism on whites/men/heterosexuals to "have their needs taken care of" ..... I will never. Instead, if you want it? go earn it. good decisions, hard work, good choices ..... and anyone in the USA in 2025 can have that

I was speaking specifically to the example of healthcare: You can't "earn" your way out of sickle cell anemia. We shouldn't not put funding or research into it just because it doesn't impact the majority of the country, right? We should be trying to understand and help all demographics, because not all demographics experience the same things equally. Women, men, white, black, gay, straight, old, young, etc. We should have research and awareness raising for issues that impact the general population, and issues that are specific to particular demographics. Having research to better understand black health does not take away research to help understand white health. The reason why understanding the trends for particular demographics is important is because it allows doctors to inform their patients of conditions they might be more at risk for: black people are more at risk for sickle cell anemia, white people are more at risk for AFIB, and so on. But the research has to be targeted on specific demographics in-order for that kind of information to reach doctors.

 

[Lees]

@blur Concerning your post #(616)

Of course they do. They represent two different races. So you think the NAACP doesn't think blacks are superior when they get preferential treatment over whites? Affirmative Action. Segregation doesn't mean 'superior'. It just whites want to live with their own kind, just like blacks do.

So, you're expressing an opinion. No shortage of stupid whites to support black racist groups. That doesn't mean the NAACP is not racist. It is. It is not about helping the white race. It's about destroying the white race and it uses stupid whites to help do it. At least the NAAWP doesn't try and present a facade like the NAACP does. Why should the NAAWP hand out any awards to any blacks?

Bullshit. The Dred Scott decision was given by the Supreme Court. Your approval of it matters not one bit. It doesn't matter what Washington said. What mattered was the Supreme Court decision. No matter how you cut it, color it, the North was the traitor, not the South. Traitor to benefit the negro. Gee, that is supposed to make it right and the South wrong. What hypocrisy.

In other words, Lincoln didn't give a shit about the slaves. The Emancipatin Proclamtion was just a war measure to be used against the South. If Lincoln had no authority to free the slaves in the North, then neither did he have any authortiy to free any slaves in the South. But, at least you admit, the South obeyed the Constitution. And the hypocritical North that attacked the South for it's slaves, would not free their own slaves. Lincoln supported the orignal 13th amendment also, which would enslave blacks forever. Proving Lincoln, your great idol, didn't give a shit about blacks. Blacks and slavery were just a problem forced on him. Glory, glory...hallelujah...

Well, I give you a reference and you just refuse to see it. Why should I give you more? Literacy in South Africa is declining. Just google that sentence. See UWC, 'Addressing South African Literacy Crisis' Gee, Africa is so great.

I explained that when I gave it. And what post was that? And I gave you other references which you refuse to look at.

That is what you're saying. That is not what the author said that I gave the quote from. I gave the quote and referenced it.

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