White Nationalism vs African Nationalism

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

Okay, this might be a weird topic but last night I watched the rerun of Trading Spouses where they let the "God Warrior" (who I thought was crazy on her first episode) go on again and go to the house of a self-proclaimed "African Nationalist"

Now what this man explained he wanted was to bring Africa into his community, where only black people would be. With African art and culture. And he said people call him prejudiced but he's prejudiced FOR black people, not against white people. And he calls black people Africans and not African-Americans. I thought that was kind of weird because he's actually better off here in America than he would be in Africa.

He treated poor Margurite Perrin horribly while she stayed there. (I saw both parts when it first aired) He invited his friends over and then was ignoring her and interrupting her every time she tried to talk. His family said they were shocked at how he was behaving.

Anyway, I'll got to the point of the thread, which is, is that man's views acceptable? I dunno about white Nationalists but aren't they trying to do the same thing? If some black people WANT to be segregated and have their culture shouldn't we let them and also let white people who want it too? I mean if they are so miserable together....I dunno

WI Crippler · Apr 13, 2007

No this guy is wrong. America is not supposed to be a place where we segregate sections of our country to benefit any one race over the other. Equal rights for all, means equal for everyone, not special consideration for certain people......

Gibberish · Apr 13, 2007

U.S. Nationalism is the only acceptable nationalism within the US.

I wonder is this guy has any immediate African ancestory or has even been to Africa? Unless you are from Africa you don't have the right to call yourself an African-American because you are not from Africa you are from America. If you don't like that then move to the country of your choosing.

I wouldn't walk around calling myself a German-Irish-Swedish-Native-American.

americanwoman · Apr 13, 2007

I saw that show too. That guy is an extreme.

I agree with the other two ^^ we are all equal and there shouldn't be any separation. We are all one nation and we need to unite together and not divide.

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

Yeah that's EXACTLY what I was thinking when he was calling them Africans...

Kandahar · Apr 13, 2007

African nationalism is an oxymoron anyway. I don't think that people from Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, and South Africa really have much of anything in common with each other. I'd hardly consider Africa to be a nation.

adamanarch · Apr 13, 2007

I don't believe in nationalism, of any nature.

Vader · Apr 13, 2007

The whole lot of them need to shut the hell up.

Nobody needs to hear their tired, racially-charged rhetoric.

:2wave:

Hatuey · Apr 13, 2007

Southern Belle said:
Okay, this might be a weird topic but last night I watched the rerun of Trading Spouses where they let the "God Warrior" (who I thought was crazy on her first episode) go on again and go to the house of a self-proclaimed "African Nationalist"

Now what this man explained he wanted was to bring Africa into his community, where only black people would be. With African art and culture. And he said people call him prejudiced but he's prejudiced FOR black people, not against white people. And he calls black people Africans and not African-Americans. I thought that was kind of weird because he's actually better off here in America than he would be in Africa.

He treated poor Margurite Perrin horribly while she stayed there. (I saw both parts when it first aired) He invited his friends over and then was ignoring her and interrupting her every time she tried to talk. His family said they were shocked at how he was behaving.

Anyway, I'll got to the point of the thread, which is, is that man's views acceptable? I dunno about white Nationalists but aren't they trying to do the same thing? If some black people WANT to be segregated and have their culture shouldn't we let them and also let white people who want it too? I mean if they are so miserable together....I dunno

He's a nut case. Him and his wife. They have some retarded idea that African Americans in the U.S. can go back to Africa and live normaly. I've been to Africa alright. I went to Accra like 2 years ago. The last thing any black man in the states wants to do is go back to Africa to live. Why? Because of the conditions Africa is in. Any black man who says they'd rather live in Africa then the States is lying to your face. Not only do you have to work 10x as hard to get anywhere in Africa but their way of living is just different. Most Americans wouldn't be able to live a life where if your family isn't rich you'll spend most of your life in poverty. Theres no such thing as a dream in Africa like there is in America. In Africa yes there are people that have made it out of poverty but the odds are against you on such a level that it's like trying to look for a pin in the ocean.

That aside. He's one of those black people I like staying away from. The type that call me an Uncle Tom because I don't give too shits if you're black or white. He's the type that would criticize me for having 2 African Americans and 3 whites working for me. The type that believes that for blacks to get out of poverty they have to hate the white man and stay away from the "white" race. It's disgusting. If they didn't spend their time wasting time on little bullshit ideas like this one maybe they'd get somewhere. If they spent their time working on ways to help poor Americans. Maybe they'd get somewhere. They'd rather criticize the white man without providing any solutions to the problems all Americans face.

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

Hatuey said:
He's a nut case. Him and his wife. They have some retarded idea that African Americans in the U.S. can go back to Africa and live normaly. I've been to Africa alright. I went to Accra like 2 years ago. The last thing any black man in the states wants to do is go back to Africa to live. Why? Because of the conditions Africa is in. Any black man who says they'd rather live in Africa then the States is lying to your face. Not only do you have to work 10x as hard to get anywhere in Africa but their way of living is just different. Most Americans wouldn't be able to live a life where if your family isn't rich you'll spend most of your life in poverty. Theres no such thing as a dream in Africa like there is in America. In Africa yes there are people that have made it out of poverty but the odds are against you on such a level that it's like trying to look for a pin in the ocean.

That aside. He's one of those black people I like staying away from. The type that call me an Uncle Tom because I don't give too shits if you're black or white. He's the type that would criticize me for having 2 African Americans and 3 whites working for me. The type that believes that for blacks to get out of poverty they have to hate the white man and stay away from the "white" race. It's disgusting. If they didn't spend their time wasting time on little bullshit ideas like this one maybe they'd get somewhere. If they spent their time working on ways to help poor Americans. Maybe they'd get somewhere. They'd rather criticize the white man without providing any solutions to the problems all Americans face.

Yeah I feel so bad for their poor daughter too, she looked like a sweet little girl. I never did understand why they rave about Africa, you hear all this terrible stuff about chaos over there and then hear people like that guy obsess about it like it's heaven or something.

(I hope that's not offensive, I know they lost their identities during the slave trade but now they are safely away from the chaos and can be 10x happier here, and if they really wanna go there no one is stopping them anymore...)

dragonslayer · Apr 13, 2007

Southern Belle said:
Okay, this might be a weird topic but last night I watched the rerun of Trading Spouses where they let the "God Warrior" (who I thought was crazy on her first episode) go on again and go to the house of a self-proclaimed "African Nationalist"

Now what this man explained he wanted was to bring Africa into his community, where only black people would be. With African art and culture. And he said people call him prejudiced but he's prejudiced FOR black people, not against white people. And he calls black people Africans and not African-Americans. I thought that was kind of weird because he's actually better off here in America than he would be in Africa.

He treated poor Margurite Perrin horribly while she stayed there. (I saw both parts when it first aired) He invited his friends over and then was ignoring her and interrupting her every time she tried to talk. His family said they were shocked at how he was behaving.

Anyway, I'll got to the point of the thread, which is, is that man's views acceptable? I dunno about white Nationalists but aren't they trying to do the same thing? If some black people WANT to be segregated and have their culture shouldn't we let them and also let white people who want it too? I mean if they are so miserable together....I dunno

I watched part of that too. It was pure trash.. she had to know that she was gonna be attacked and put down. Was there a script?

She was treated badly, and she was made to look like a fanatic and foolish. Was that the purpose?

Gibberish · Apr 13, 2007

dragonslayer said:
She was treated badly, and she was made to look like a fanatic and foolish. Was that the purpose?

I didn't see the episode but is the woman you are talking about the same one who claims to be a "soldier of god" and screams about things being "unholy"?

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

Gibberish said:
I didn't see the episode but is the woman you are talking about the same one who claims to be a "soldier of god" and screams about things being "unholy"?

Yes, the God Warrior, that's her. And she actually handled herself VERY well during his ep IMHO. She did blow up at him once but it was justified since he wouldn't shut his face after she had been asking him to stop. She breaks down in misery and runs off to a neighbor in the second half but she isn't hateful to him.

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

dragonslayer said:
I watched part of that too. It was pure trash.. she had to know that she was gonna be attacked and put down. Was there a script?

She was treated badly, and she was made to look like a fanatic and foolish. Was that the purpose?

Yes I think it was. She claims they edited that part where she screamed her head off as the God Warrior and made it worse than it was. I guess they wanted to pit her against a rascist black man for giggles. Don't know if there's any script involved or not, it is a reality show, they just put extreme opposites together.

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

This is what made her famous:

YouTube - The INFAMOUS "God Warrior"

I'll see if I can find where the black guy messes with her...

Hatuey · Apr 13, 2007

Southern Belle said:
Yeah I feel so bad for their poor daughter too, she looked like a sweet little girl. I never did understand why they rave about Africa, you hear all this terrible stuff about chaos over there and then hear people like that guy obsess about it like it's heaven or something.

(I hope that's not offensive, I know they lost their identities during the slave trade but now they are safely away from the chaos and can be 10x happier here, and if they really wanna go there no one is stopping them anymore...)

They're hypocrites. They love critizising white people and the phantom system that they have a place but they have no trouble accepting the money given to them by the producers of this show who according to their logic contribute to this system. These people wouldn't last 20 minutes in Africa. They should be happy they have what they have. I met African women with 5 kids that would give one of their children up just so the rest could have the chance to come to America and make something of themselves and yet all these people can do is dream about living that type of life.

Southern Belle · Apr 13, 2007

YouTube - Trading Spouses-GodWarrior Part 2

Well I looked but the people who uploaded the videos actually edited out most of his racist stuff, but there was A TON of it, and as I said before, her little outburst was very understandable. The guy babbled constantly about Katrina and how the white man wrecked his neighborhood and she was saying she doesn't CARE about race and he would not leave her alone. Most of it isn't in the clip though

Inuyasha · Apr 14, 2007

Kandahar said:
African nationalism is an oxymoron anyway. I don't think that people from Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, and South Africa really have much of anything in common with each other. I'd hardly consider Africa to be a nation.

I half agree with your statement in that white nationalism refers to race and is perhaps a very North American term. On the other hand African Nationalism is referring to a geographic area. White nationalism and American nationalism are two different things.

"African nationalism" is possible when it means the nationalism of separate sovereign states on the African continent. They do no have to have anything in common because it is a catch-all term. We have little in common with Peru but we can refer to nationalism in the US and Peru as "American nationalism." as a hemispheric phenomena.

White Nationalism vs African Nationalism

Which is an acceptable thing?

African Nationalism