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White James Bond to be replaced by a black James Bond

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Only an idiot thinks that James Bond as one singular human performed ALL of those missions.

More to your complaint....if its okay for Roger Moore to assume the mantle, then it basically doesnt matter at all, since Sean Connery created your image of what Bond was supposed to be in the same way Patrick Stewart is what you see Picard as being. If you wouldnt accept anyone else being Picard, they how can you accept anyone else as Bond either?
Even thought the books from which the movies are about are all the same person.
 

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Well, the first black actor to play a James Bond villain says JB must be WHITE.


Kotto, 75, added that he finds it “ridiculous” when people say all roles should be open to black actors. “If I say I want to play JFK, I should be laughed out of the room,” he said.

Sure, you can do a black James Bond, but it wasn't Ian Fleming's vision, (does anyone really believe his JB was supposed to be anything but an articulate, suave, white Brit? ) and there is a thing called artistic integrity of the creator of the franchise. I mean, if the only reason they are doing it is because of some 'egalitarian' or 'politically correct' principle, that's nuts. This isn't sociology, this is art. Art isn't about anything other than the vision of creator of the artist work.

Is Idris Elba British?

In how many Bond movies does the ethnic background of Bond brought up as a part of the story?

I can think of only one, in which not being white would have an impact on the story
 

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I disagree. So does the first black actor to play a villian in a JB film.

Kotto, 75, added that he finds it “ridiculous” when people say all roles should be open to black actors. “If I say I want to play JFK, I should be laughed out of the room,” he said.

This is art, not sociology, and art is always about the vision of the creator of the art, or franchise. Does anyone actually believe that Ian Fleming's 'Bond' was supposed to be anyone other than a white, suave, Brit? I mean' C'mon. Racism, that's not what racism means. I mean, would you call it racist to have "Shaft' played by a white guy? how about a white Othello? Stick to the artistic vision, and doing that has NOTHING to do with racism. What's next? A black Sherlock Holmes, Phillip Marlow? Get outta here with that nonsense.


Where you could have a man of color is for Jesus Christ, who most certainly was not Euro/caucasian.
You're welcome to disagree, but no, that actor does not disagree with me about JFK. I said: " He's not a real historical figure. " You present him saying that a black actor shouldn't play JFK. JFK is a "real historical figure". But for that matter, if someone wanted to make a film about 'what if there were a black JFK' and made him black, so be it.

There is a difference between how black people are treated now and how they were when James Bond was created. Gene Roddenberry wasn't thinking of a black man or a white woman for starship captain when he wrote Kirk, but Star Trek evolved to have them as times changed. There is no reason Bond can't evolve as well, just as Daniel Craig brought a blonde Bond, which worked fine.

When Doctor Who was created, they weren't thinking of a woman doctor. Yet, that evolved also.

I'm for considering fan wishes and considering some deference to a character's history. But not slavishly being limited by those things. A black Superman wouldn't sit well with me, while a black superhero does. Superman the comic character doesn't 'change actors', he's one, white, character. I recognize the history of Superman being created white is a reflection of white dominance.

James Kirk shouldn't be made black. But Doctor Who already has the regeneration device; Star Trek stars different captains. It'd be hard to make a Bond film about Agent 008, a black agent, and Bond already changes with actors, so while I'm ok with keeping him white, I'm also ok with recognizing him as 'suave secret agent' and having a black actor also. I don't think anything about his being white is hard baked into the character.
 
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In how many Bond movies does the ethnic background of Bond brought up as a part of the story?
Hell, they already changed Bond's nationality. Fleming didn't want Connery to play Bond, but when he did he liked him and the screenwriters rewrote Bond's nationality to fit Connery. (I'm not sure about the books, but they aren't the point).
 

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Will Bond ever be held accountable for the sexual assault and rape of ***** Galore in the hay?
 

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To be clear, I slightly lean towards keeping Bond white, preserving that history of his character. I'm just not that against if they try this change.

It's hard to balance these things. When James Coburn and Dean Martin wanted to give secret agents ago, even if licensing was the main issue, they made new, campy characters (Flint and Helm, respectively).

On the one hand, they could easily make a new black secret agent, whether in a new setting or in the Bond world, but he'd be viewed as a 'knock-off'. No one should have any issue if they tried it, but a challenge is when Bond is presented so much as 'the ultimate spy', it's hard to have competition. It would be like trying to have Batman be from Krypton and have the same superpowers.

Overall, no, keep Bond white. But if they decide to try a black actor - I'll enjoy the movie if it's good and be ok with it, even if wishing a little they hadn't. On the other hand, much like opponents of a blonde Bond, if he's really good we might not care and be glad they did.
 

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If the theaters ever open again, many people who prefer "James Bond" to remain Caucasian would decline to buy tickets.

They would bear no hard feelings. They simply would not be interested in seeing the film.
And this would affect men, why? Are they not attracted to a black JB but only white ones? Cuz that's my primary qualification for JB...hotness. I'd totally be down with Idriss Elba. Or RIP, Chadwick Boseman. Or Anthony Mackie! All hotties that rule the Marvel Universe too.

OTOH, Tom Hiddleston (Loki) would also be fantastic as JB. I might actually watch an entire JB movie then. I dont really like the franchise much and probably never watched one in its entirety. I went with Golden Eye the farthest probably...the bad guy was was Sean Bean...who also would have made a gorgeous JB.

But back to my original questions... this would affect men, why? Are they not attracted to a black JB but only white ones?
 

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Its really in contrast to one of the producers of the Bond movies, Barbara Broccoli. That Bond will likely still be male.

https://www.businessinsider.com/james-bond-producer-says-bond-is-male-there-will-probably-never-be-a-female-007-2018-10#:~:text=James Bond will continue to be played by,“He’s a male character,"%20she%20told%20The%20Guardian.
Lashana Lynch won’t take Bond’s role. She is supposed to eventually assume the 007 moniker, but will play a character named Nomi.
 

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I just saw this (2019) news, they got a little more creative than recasting James Bond; instead they recast 007. Bond retired - still white - and 007 was reassigned to a new agent, a black woman. Not sure how audiences will react, I suspect they want Bond and not a new agent, but we'll see.

Bond's number is up: black female actor 'is the new 007' | James Bond | The Guardian
Oh nuts. Well if that's the case, I probably wont be bothered. I'm not into women. Like I wrote, the franchise never really blew my skirt up in general.
 

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Oh nuts. Well if that's the case, I probably wont be bothered. I'm not into women. Like I wrote, the franchise never really blew my skirt up in general.
Ya, I'd rather they didn't do this, but I'll both give her a chance and hope for enjoyable movies, but I'd rather they continued the Bond franchise, not just the 007 franchise. Then again, Star Trek pissed me off blowing up the Enterprise and Killing Kirk for drama (I still haven't seen Generations and don't plan to).
 

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James Bond is sooo 1960's.
 

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Ya, I'd rather they didn't do this, but I'll both give her a chance and hope for enjoyable movies, but I'd rather they continued the Bond franchise, not just the 007 franchise. Then again, Star Trek pissed me off blowing up the Enterprise and Killing Kirk for drama (I still haven't seen Generations and don't plan to).
??? Kirk and the original crew got too old to play the parts...what would you have preferred?
 

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Why is it always ok to replace a white with a black but not the other way around?

Same blacks are offended white do voices on black cartoons
The original Amos and Andy were white. Honored in a Harlem parade, I’m told.
 

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??? Kirk and the original crew got too old to play the parts...what would you have preferred?
To not kill the character.
 

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Even thought the books from which the movies are about are all the same person.
Theories go either way. Fact of the matter is that we just need to enjoy Bond for what he represents, not what he looks like. In order to believe hes one person, you have to allow the same suspension of common sense it takes to believe that after 32 years on TV, Bart Simpson is still only 10 years old.

Think about it.....there are 24 movies in the franchise, each entailing a different mission. The level of coordination to pull off some of those missions would take possibly years, hit lets just assume that prep, execution and recovery would have allowed for 2 of those missions yearly....it would have taken him more than a decade to accomplish all of them. He was in his mid 40s in Dr. No (first movie) or in his early 40s in Casino Royale (first book). By the end, he would have been mid 50s to possibly 60.

Hes either the most gangster mother ****er ever or its more than 1 person.
 

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Either include him in the movie or don't.
Well IMO, the majority of the rest of us appreciated a story to go along with his being dropped. The entire rest of that cast ended up with a final 'backstory' too.
 

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I'm for considering fan wishes and considering some deference to a character's history. But not slavishly being limited by those things. A black Superman wouldn't sit well with me, while a black superhero does. Superman the comic character doesn't 'change actors', he's one, white, character. I recognize the history of Superman being created white is a reflection of white dominance.
Grant Morrison wrote a Black Superman version years ago.

A Black guy being Superman is already a thing in the comics.

That Superman is not only a Superman but also the President.

Ain’t comics fun... you can literally write any story because it is all made up.
 

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Cultural appropriation. Where is Jesse? Where is Al? Where is Liz Warren?

Somebody call 9-1-2!
 

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Theories go either way. Fact of the matter is that we just need to enjoy Bond for what he represents, not what he looks like. In order to believe hes one person, you have to allow the same suspension of common sense it takes to believe that after 32 years on TV, Bart Simpson is still only 10 years old.

Think about it.....there are 24 movies in the franchise, each entailing a different mission. The level of coordination to pull off some of those missions would take possibly years, hit lets just assume that prep, execution and recovery would have allowed for 2 of those missions yearly....it would have taken him more than a decade to accomplish all of them. He was in his mid 40s in Dr. No (first movie) or in his early 40s in Casino Royale (first book). By the end, he would have been mid 50s to possibly 60.

Hes either the most gangster mother ****er ever or its more than 1 person.
For one thing, its fiction, not real life. To compare fiction to the rules of real life doesn't always work. What works for the movies, doesn't always work in real life. Ever notice explosions and noise in space movies, even thought sound can transmit in a vacuum?

Second, MI6, isn't one person, James Bond, but a whole organization, possibly being helped by several foriegn organizations that coordinate.
 

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Again, multiple James Bond movies referenced his dead wife Tracy Bond many times over the years, meaning James Bond is the same person. Some fans think having many people play James Bond, means they replaced him with other spies, a sort of code name which it is not.

  • In Live and Let Die, upon Bond's arrival in San Monique, he's informed by the concierge of the hotel he's staying at that "Mrs. Bond" is already there. He's startled at first, but goes along with it and when he meets the woman in question, CIA agent Rosie Carver, he jokingly calls her Mrs. Bond several times.
  • In The Spy Who Loved Me, when Bond meets Anya Amasova in the Mujaba Club bar, in Cairo, she summarises his career and personal life to him. When she notes, "... many lady friends, but married only once. Wife killed —", Bond cuts her short by saying, "Alright, you've made your point". Anya comments that he's sensitive. Bond replies, "About certain things, yes".
  • In For Your Eyes Only, in the pre-title sequence, Bond lays flowers at Tracy's grave in an English churchyard before boarding a helicopter. An uncredited man in a wheelchair who strokes a white cat (implied to be Ernst Stavro Blofeld) has booby-trapped the helicopter. Bond lifts the man's wheelchair with one of the helicopter's skids and drops him — wheelchair and all — down a tall industrial smokestack. The headstone clearly reads: "TERESA BOND, 1943–1969, Beloved Wife of JAMES BOND / We have all the time in the World" — referring to the final words in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which became that movie's theme song. The headstone shows Tracy died in 1969, the same year On Her Majesty's Secret Service was released.
  • In Licence to Kill, after Felix Leiter's wedding, Felix's new wife Della throws her garter at Bond, teasing him, "the next one who catches this is the next one who ..." Bond looks visibly pained; when Della asks Felix about it, Felix makes a short, sad reference to Bond once having been married, "but that was a long time ago."
  • In GoldenEye, Alec Trevelyan goads Bond, "I might as well ask you if all those vodka martinis ever silence the screams of all the men you've killed ... or if you find forgiveness in the arms of all those willing women for all the dead ones you failed to protect."
  • In The World Is Not Enough, Elektra King asks Bond if he's "ever lost a loved one." Bond pauses and brushes off the question.
 
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