• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

White House Signals Acceptance of Russia Sanctions Bill

'get Putin to leave Crimea.'

'Crimea was always a part of Russia. In the 1950's Russia as a "symbolic gesture", marking
the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Tsardom of Russia, gifted Crimea to Ukraine.'

In the last legitimate Ukie election the following Provinces voted heavily for
Yanukovich the Russian leaning candidate opposing Tymoshenko who wanted to bring
Ukraine more into the European orbit; the voting in the breakaway provinces:

'Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%'

After the Maiden coup deposing Yanukovich these alienated peoples of Donetsk and Lugansk
& Crimea who, having a president THEY voted for, rather thought Ukraine had a democracy already.

'Most of the provinces east of the Dniper wanted no part of the Coup. Odessa voted 2 to 1 for
Yanokovich & a Russian leaning Ukraine. In Odessa the new Ukraine government showed its true colors.
Some 1,000 Ukrainian rightists, led by the notorious Right Sector, surrounded, stormed, and burned
the House of Trade Unions in Odessa , killing 39 pro-Russia demonstrators in the building.'

Russia led by Putin decided that they didn't want a repeat of this brutality in other Russian speaking
Eastern Provinces and took action.

And the Democrats along with the neocon Republicans voted 97-2 to sanction Russia one of the reasons being & prevent
Trump from removing sanctions until Russia turns Crimea back to Ukraine. That never will happen, after the
Coup the entire Ukraine military force in Crimea defected to Russia, they want self-determination they
don't want anything to do with the Kiev, Lviv crowd.

There's a better chance of California voting for Calexit creating there own nation than Crimea voting to
hitch up again with Ukraine.
 
Last edited:
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

JamesBY said:
Russia is not our friend.
Click to expand...

Still have that old cold war mentality I see.

It is better to try to make them friends than to shun them.
 
slick said:
'get Putin to leave Crimea.'

'Crimea was always a part of Russia. In the 1950's Russia as a "symbolic gesture", marking
the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Tsardom of Russia, gifted Crimea to Ukraine.'

In the last legitimate Ukie election the following Provinces voted heavily for
Yanukovich the Russian leaning candidate opposing Tymoshenko who wanted to bring
Ukraine more into the European orbit; the voting in the breakaway provinces:

'Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%'

After the Maiden coup deposing Yanukovich these alienated peoples of Donetsk and Lugansk
& Crimea who, having a president THEY voted for, rather thought Ukraine had a democracy already.

'Most of the provinces east of the Dniper wanted no part of the Coup. Odessa voted 2 to 1 for
Yanokovich & a Russian leaning Ukraine. In Odessa the new Ukraine government showed its true colors.
Some 1,000 Ukrainian rightists, led by the notorious Right Sector, surrounded, stormed, and burned
the House of Trade Unions in Odessa , killing 39 pro-Russia demonstrators in the building.'

Russia led by Putin decided that they didn't want a repeat of this brutality in other Russian speaking
Eastern Provinces and took action.

And the Democrats along with the neocon Republicans voted 97-2 to sanction Russia one of the reasons being & prevent
Trump from removing sanctions until Russia turns Crimea back to Ukraine. That never will happen, after the
Coup the entire Ukraine military force in Crimea defected to Russia, they want self-determination they
don't want anything to do with the Kiev, Lviv crowd.

There's a better chance of California voting for Calexit creating there own nation than Crimea voting to
hitch up again with Ukraine.
Click to expand...

Yes, for three yours now, people still refuse to see that Crimea wanted to leave the Ukraine.
 
rocket88 said:
RINOs being who, exactly? One could say that Trump is the ultimate RINO as he supported Democrats up until last year.
Click to expand...

Liberal democrats in independents clothng could call trump all sorts of names including RINO

But as a true republican I will decide that question not you

I really dont care who trump supported in years past anymore than I care who a new trump voter pulled the lever for in the last election

It would be pretty stupid to tell someone that I don't want their vote now because they voted for a damn democrat in the past, don't you think?
 
Last edited:
iguanaman said:
Believing in science is now "pandering to the Euros?" You do know that they are our most trusted allies, and the "disagreement" comes from EU Oil and gas companies who will face penalties for helping Putin to make more of Europe dependent on Russian natural gas. Poor babies, if they don't like it get Putin to leave Crimea. Russia is one big crime network whose people are being left to die in droves. Doing business with that tyrant or his oligarchs should be fined until they stop bleeding their country dry. The Russians own half of Miami already. When is it going to stop?

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/24/eu-divided-on-how-to-answer-congress-sanctions-bill-against-russia.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/russian-buyers-suddenly-warm-to-miami-real-estate-in-a-big-way.html
Click to expand...

So you don't really mind pissing off the snooty euros's as long as it suits your political agenda?

Good because neither do I

The man-made-global-warming-diaster hoax is a political issue with politicians trying ot seize power from the people and push a polital agenda for "climate change" and I don't mind telling euro assholes to go stuff it.

You otoh have decided that are only snooty assholes on the russia question.

A different issue but same result
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Lord of Planar said:
Still have that old cold war mentality I see. It is better to try to make them friends than to shun them.
Click to expand...
No, it is not. They have done nothing to show that we should shed our caution. The American alt right is as much the enemy of our nation and its people as the Russians.
 
holbritter said:
Quick off topic......did you notice how many Democrats (and which ones) voted YEA to selling arms to Saudia Arabia!? Wow...unbelievable.
Click to expand...
I agree that we should cut our losses in the ME and bring our people home.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Hawkeye10 said:
I am 55, this is the worst journalism has been during my time watching.
Click to expand...

Television journalism has never been worse and there is an avalanche of rotten online journalism, if you can call it journalism, and all this trash I fear stigmatizes the very good journalism that
continues to come from the regular press.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

prometeus said:
Instead of spouting the ignorant partisan drivel, inform yourself. The bill is bipartisan and veto proof.
Click to expand...

I'm seeing the ignorant partisan drivel in your childish posts . :lol:
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

JackA said:
What a moronic post. If you polled the most educated, most successful, most well informed people in the country you would find the majority of them regard the NYT as the
best newspaper there is.
Click to expand...
Thats a bold claim to make without offering any evidence to back it up.

Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk
 
holbritter said:
Quick off topic......did you notice how many Democrats (and which ones) voted YEA to selling arms to Saudia Arabia!? Wow...unbelievable.
Click to expand...

No, I didn't pay attention. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a large number. I keep telling people, don't vote for a politician by what they claim they will do or what they calim stere stances are. Look at their actual record.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

JamesBY said:
No, it is not. They have done nothing to show that we should shed our caution. The American alt right is as much the enemy of our nation and its people as the Russians.
Click to expand...

There should be caution with any nation. There is still too much hatred of the Russia, because of CCCP memories.

That needs to stop! We need to welcome them into commerce and polite discussions. The hateful actions by our people does so much more harm than good.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

JackA said:
Television journalism has never been worse and there is an avalanche of rotten online journalism, if you can call it journalism, and all this trash I fear stigmatizes the very good journalism that
continues to come from the regular press.
Click to expand...

Journalism is dead, except by a few very small, unnoticed outlets.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Lord of Planar said:
There should be caution with any nation. There is still too much hatred of the Russia, because of CCCP memories. That needs to stop! We need to welcome them into commerce and polite discussions. The hateful actions by our people does so much more harm than good.
Click to expand...
When Russia apologizes for the interference in our elections, when Russia complies with the sanctions, when Russia admits its wrong, then we can talk. Not before then. Those defending Russia instead of America are hate mongers.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Socrates1 said:
Yeah , deal with BS and get NOTHING done because you can't deal with the election results ! RESIST , RESIST , RESIST ! Obama made progressives brain dead too ! :roll:
Click to expand...

Aw, sounds like somebody's upset their hero lost this round.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

JackA said:
Television journalism has never been worse and there is an avalanche of rotten online journalism, if you can call it journalism, and all this trash I fear stigmatizes the very good journalism that
continues to come from the regular press.
Click to expand...

The argument is "BUT BUT BUT if you spend hours a day looking through piles of mostly crap nuggets of good journalism can be found everyday, so what are you complaining about?"

Ya, I dont buy, because I dont appreciate needing to spend as much time as I do understanding what is going on in this world, there is no way this should be this hard, it is only this hard because journalists mostly suck now, along with the rest of the elite class.
 
Mac77 said:
Liberal democrats in independents clothng could call trump all sorts of names including RINO

But as a true republican I will decide that question not you

I really dont care who trump supported in years past anymore than I care who a new trump voter pulled the lever for in the last election

It would be pretty stupid to tell someone that I don't want their vote now because they voted for a damn democrat in the past, don't you think?
Click to expand...

So was George Bush a "real Republican?"
 
Mac77 said:
So you don't really mind pissing off the snooty euros's as long as it suits your political agenda?

Good because neither do I

The man-made-global-warming-diaster hoax is a political issue with politicians trying ot seize power from the people and push a polital agenda for "climate change" and I don't mind telling euro assholes to go stuff it.

You otoh have decided that are only snooty assholes on the russia question.

A different issue but same result
Click to expand...

No. I don't mind pissing off massive oil and gas conglomerates who are reaping huge profits poisoning our planet and funding the deniers of AGW. Putin must be stopped at all costs.
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Mac77 said:
The trouble with liberals is that they think having a degree in something makes them experts on everything

But in fact they all think alike because thats what they were brainwashed to think as the price of getting that degree
Click to expand...

Translation: Mac is very insecure around and threatened by folks with a better education than him, so please, let's all be very sensitive about that.

:lol:
 
iguanaman said:
No. I don't mind pissing off massive oil and gas conglomerates who are reaping huge profits poisoning our planet and funding the deniers of AGW. Putin must be stopped at all costs.
Click to expand...

You mean the man-made-global-warming-disaster hoax being pushed by AlGore?
 
Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

OlNate said:
Translation: Mac is very insecure around and threatened by folks with a better education than him, so please, let's all be very sensitive about that.

:lol:
Click to expand...

We are all threatened by people with education but no common sense who are too stupid to question their own assumptions

Those people are even a danger to themselves but don't know it
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom