White House Offers to Let Investigators Interview Rove

[Maximus Zeebra]

Worse Than Watergate?

Chapter Excerpt: Worse Than Watergate by John W. Dean

Brilliant article.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Brilliant article.

It isn't an article. It's an oped.

 

[Pull My Finger]

Worse Than Watergate?

Chapter Excerpt: Worse Than Watergate by John W. Dean

Excerpt from Chapter Excerpt:

Former attorney general (and later secretary of state) William Rogers once advised that "the public should view excessive secrecy among government officials as parents view sudden quiet where youngsters are playing. It is a sign of trouble." Woodrow Wilson, based on his long study of statecraft, concluded that "everybody knows that corruption thrives in secret places, and avoids public places,and we believe it a fair presumption that secrecy means impropriety." Thus, undue secrecy not only is undemocratic, denying the public its right to know, but also schools scandal by concealing and protecting errors, excesses, and all manner of impropriety. And we have a presidency that seeks to control, if not suppress,everything.

Thanks Simon W. Moon!

Peace

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Congress does have oversight of the DoJ and all cabinet departments.

Got any precedent of any members of a Presidents cabinet being called to testify for the President firing a U.S. attorney? No you say? Thought not.

They should testify under oath, w/ a transcript in private.

Bet you would love that so you could get another Libby out of the deal but unfortunately for you it's not going to happen and I can't think of a single way that the Dems can make this blatant violation of the separation of powers happen.

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[Simon W. Moon]

Got any precedent of any members of a Presidents cabinet being called to testify for the President firing a U.S. attorney? No you say? Thought not.

Plenty of them have been called to testify and have done so. I'm not sure as to why you want to add the qualifier you did; unless, you're trying to imply more than what you can factually say.

... I can't think of a single way that the Democrats can make this blatant violation of the separation of powers happen.

And why can't Congress elicit testimony from these aides re their conversations w/ each other?

 

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Dick Durbin summarized it best on yesterday's Meet the Press:

MR. RUSSERT: The president is concerned about a “show trial,” Senator Durbin. If Mr. Rove agreed to come before your committee in a closed session, but did testify, not under oath, but misleading Congress in itself is punishable, would you accept that?

SEN. DURBIN: Now, that’s a point that’s been made by Senator Specter, and I respect that point, but, you know, look at the premise here. The White House says, “We have nothing to hide, but we’ll only testify behind closed doors. We want to get to the truth, but we won’t speak under oath. We want the American people to know what actually happened, but we don’t want a transcript.” These things are inconsistent. It’s time to follow the orderly process, the traditional process, and Chairman Leahy suggested it. Bring these witnesses before the Senate Judiciary Committee. They’ll be protected by both sides to make sure that the questions are reasonable, but they really ought to speak to the American people under oath and tell the whole story.

MTP Transcript for Mar. 25, 2007 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com

Essentially, this White House is full of crap.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Dick Durbin summarized it best on yesterday's Meet the Press:




Essentially, this White House is full of crap.

You'd feel the same way if you were being burdened with having to prove your innocence. It is completely backwards with how we do things in this country. You should understand that, counselor.

 

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You'd feel the same way if you were being burdened with having to prove your innocence. It is completely backwards with how we do things in this country. You should understand that, counselor.

Why is it that they are presumed guilty? Congress wants to get to the bottom of this issue because there have been contradictions in the statements presented to it. I don't see how that presumes guilt. If my husband told me he was out with male friends at a bar, but then I learn from someone else that he was seen with a woman alone, isn't it appropriate for me to go to him and ask him, "So what happened?" Right? I am not presuming he is guilty--just trying to get to the bottom of what happened that night.

 

[26 X World Champs]

You'd feel the same way if you were being burdened with having to prove your innocence. It is completely backwards with how we do things in this country. You should understand that, counselor.

Why do so many Republicans protest about Congressional oversight? The last 6 years under GOP rule there wasn't any oversight and look at the nightmares this country is living today due to that lack of accountability.

Under Clinton 31 times Cabinet members testified to Congress. I'll betcha you weren't stating that they should not testify in order to prove their innocence.

It's hypocrisy squared...which is the lesson being taught by the Bushies everyday.

Hell, Sen. Hagel today suggested that Bush should be impeached because he's acting like he's above the law! Most of the news these last couple of weeks has been one GOP scandal after another and very often it is Republicans who are complaining about their leaders!

How come your unable to deal with someone testifying under oath? I bet you're afraid that the truth is too much for you to bear!

All of this is so great for Democrats. The more that Rove, Bush et al protest the better the Democrats will do in 2008.

Are you not smart enough or able to see that if the GOP were forthcoming they would improve their standing....unless of course they're guilty!

 

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More GOP Hypocrisy: Trent Lott Contradicts Himself on Executive Privilege - Yahoo! News

Trent Lott 2007: Letting White House Advisors Testify Under Oath Would Be a "Huge Mistake." "Lott: In my mind, I think if the President would agree for his close advisors in the White House to testify before Congress under oath he'd be making a huge mistake. There is a thing called executive privilege....

Trent Lott 1998: Clinton Decision to Invoke Executive Privilege "Improper," Echoes Watergate. "Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said yesterday that President Clinton's decision to invoke executive privilege in connection with independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's investigation was 'improper' and will damage the president's credibility because of parallels with the Watergate scandal that led to President Richard M. Nixon's downfall. 'It looks like they are hiding something,' Lott said on NBC's 'Meet the Press,' one of several Sunday television interview programs dominated by discussions of the sexual misconduct allegations that are swirling around Clinton." [Washington Post, 3/23/98]

Trent Lott shows us the definition of hypocrisy. My gosh--what a loser.

 

[Navy Pride]

Dick Durbin summarized it best on yesterday's Meet the Press:




Essentially, this White House is full of crap.

Durbin, that is the guy that equated our troops to the Russian Gulag.....No creditability with this clown.........

 

[26 X World Champs]

Durbin, that is the guy that equated our troops to the Russian Gulag.....No creditability with this clown.........

But you believe everything that Cheney says, right?

You know, "last throes of the insurgency" or:

10) "Except for the occasional heart attack, I never felt better." –June 4, 2003

9) "I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989

8) "There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." --Sept. 10, 2005

7) "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." –April 30, 2001

6) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003

5) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003

4) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Nov. 7, 2003

3) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

2) "Oh, yeah. He is. Big time.'' --agreeing with then-candidate George W. Bush, who was overheard at a campaign rally saying, "There's Adam Clymer, major league a**hole from The New York Times," Sept. 4, 2000

1) "Go ***** yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

 

[danarhea]

But you believe everything that Cheney says, right?

You know, "last throes of the insurgency" or:

10) "Except for the occasional heart attack, I never felt better." –June 4, 2003

9) "I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989

8) "There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." --Sept. 10, 2005

7) "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." –April 30, 2001

6) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003

5) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003

4) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Nov. 7, 2003

3) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

2) "Oh, yeah. He is. Big time.'' --agreeing with then-candidate George W. Bush, who was overheard at a campaign rally saying, "There's Adam Clymer, major league a**hole from The New York Times," Sept. 4, 2000

1) "Go ***** yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

You missed Cheney's biggest statement:

"If you don't agree with me, I will shoot an old man in the face."

 

[26 X World Champs]

You missed Cheney's biggest statement:

"If you don't agree with me, I will shoot an old man in the face."

:rofl ...and the old man will take the blame....because he was afraid of getting shot again!

 

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Durbin, that is the guy that equated our troops to the Russian Gulag.....No creditability with this clown.........

LOL So if aps said those words, what kind of credibility would you give them? Navy, you have to admit that there is truth to those words--it doesn't matter who said them.

 

[Navy Pride]

LOL So if aps said those words, what kind of credibility would you give them? Navy, you have to admit that there is truth to those words--it doesn't matter who said them.

I would probably give you a lot more credit then I would Durbin....He is a partisan Hack..............

 

[26 X World Champs]

LOL So if aps said those words, what kind of credibility would you give them? Navy, you have to admit that there is truth to those words--it doesn't matter who said them.

You're waiting for Godot if you think that you'll get an admission on that point.

As you know there's a hard core group of extreme, and I mean extreme right wingers in this Forum who are not representative of Republicanism or Conservatism mainstream thinking.

I must admit that the core group does prejudice my postings here too often to make it sound like I'm lumping those "radicals" in with all or most Republicans. In reality and upon reflection mainstream GOP thinking does not really resemble what Navy Pride or Jamesrage, Trajan, ConservPat, CurrentAffairs, Stinger or Aquapub post here. Their brand of politics is as radical to the right as they accuse Michael Moore of being to the left.

The bottom line is that our clique of right wingers will never concede that the Bushies are wrong, virtually 100% of the time. The few times they divert from the Bushie's bus is when they feel they have no choice because even to their warped viewpoint Bushies have gone too far, i.e. Walter Reed.

 

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I would probably give you a lot more credit then I would Durbin....He is a partisan Hack..............

Hee hee hee Okay, I'll let your statement go......for now.

Personally, I love Dick Durbin. I find him to be incredibly articulate and insightful.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Hee hee hee Okay, I'll let your statement go......for now.

Personally, I love Dick Durbin. I find him to be incredibly articulate and insightful.

Me too but you know that your extreme right wing friend cannot acknowledge that any Democrats (other than Zell Miller & Joe Lieberman) are creditable and respectable.

I know you can recognize a broad base of Republicans who you disagree with politically but do not disrespect or lump into idiotic and generalized groups and insist that all are alike and worthless like Navy Pride does.

 

[Navy Pride]

Hee hee hee Okay, I'll let your statement go......for now.

Personally, I love Dick Durbin. I find him to be incredibly articulate and insightful.

Did you agree with what he said about our troops in GITMO? I doubt you did......

 

[Navy Pride]

Me too but you know that your extreme right wing friend cannot acknowledge that any Democrats (other than Zell Miller & Joe Lieberman) are creditable and respectable.

I know you can recognize a broad base of Republicans who you disagree with politically but do not disrespect or lump into idiotic and generalized groups and insist that all are alike and worthless like Navy Pride does.

Wrong as usual...........I have a lot of repect for Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, and Bill Richardson..........

 

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Did you agree with what he said about our troops in GITMO? I doubt you did......

Of course not, but the right went nuts on him and misused his words. What happened in GITMO was appalling, to say the least. I thought our soldiers were better than that. That was an embarrassment to the United States.

 

[Navy Pride]

Of course not, but the right went nuts on him and misused his words. What happened in GITMO was appalling, to say the least. I thought our soldiers were better than that. That was an embarrassment to the United States.

Did you know that there is no creditable proof that any terrorist was tortured at GITMO and even if there were to compare them to the Russian Gulag who murdered millions of innocent civilians is a litle much wouldn't you say?

Why do democrats like Kerry and Durbin always open mouth and insert foot when it comes to ur military?
Why don't they think before they make their stupid statements?