White House? More Like Spite House.

[Mason66]

They have the jurisdiction to fund or not ...
They chose to not fund...
Without funds things close...
America knows why these things closed.
Bohner is spineless against his party's anarchists.
You ain't foolin' anyone

The house sent a cr to the senate to fund the national parks. The Senate refused to vote on it. Is that the fault of the house?

Can you explain why the parks had to be closed this tiem and never before? What is so special this time?

 

[Buck Ewer]

Pathetic if you're a Jameson drinker. Personally, I prefer:

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Bohner is not very particular...He will drink just about anything

 

[Buck Ewer]

The house sent a cr to the senate to fund the national parks. The Senate refused to vote on it. Is that the fault of the house?

Can you explain why the parks had to be closed this tiem and never before? What is so special this time?

Their duty is to send a budget ... not budget items
This is piecemeal budgeting ... it is an unprecedented way to fund anything.
Nobody takes this parks closing seriously.
The entire government is closed.
People's lives are adversely damaged and out of work, some are dying and you want to talk about the frikin' parks?
Spin, spin, spin...
No traction. ::sinking::failpail:

 

[fmw]

The parks are part of the US government.
Bohner and the anarchists of the House shut it all down when they shut down the government.

Nonsense. All the House did was to decline an increase in the credit line. It made no decision to close parks. The administration closed parks because it was one thing they could close that the public would notice immediately. The government can continue on without the credit line increase. They just need to trim a little fat.

 

[Buck Ewer]

Nonsense. All the House did was to decline an increase in the credit line. It made no decision to close parks. The administration closed parks because it was one thing they could close that the public would notice immediately. The government can continue on without the credit line increase. They just need to trim a little fat.

No federal funding = no federal government...
No federal government = no federal parks...
Actions have consequences...
Time for you to learn...:fyi:

 

[Arbo]

WRONG. Bohner and the anarchist TEAssholes of the House shut down ALL federal assets including open air parks and monuments.
You can try to spin like a Maytag after the rinse but the American people know.
You ain't foolin' no one.:2wave::lamo

What a load of crap. In all about 17% of the government was shut down. At that this past weekend the defense department recalled workers, cutting the number of fed employee's 'sent home' in half. This has been a game for the (D)'s, hoping to demonize the 'other side', which is all they really do any more.

 

[head of joaquin]

Having read the OP, you mean that closing the government means not getting government services! This is outrageous. No wonder the tea party is so upset.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

During the government shutdown while Clinton was President they all remained open to public access, and that has been true of all the other shutdowns.

Can you explain why the parks had to be closed this tiem and never before?

Wrong x 2.

From The Washington Post (Absolutely everything you need to know about how the government shutdown will work):

"Parks and museums: The National Park Service will close more than 400 national parks and museums, including Yosemite National Park in California, Alcatraz in San Francisco, and the Statue of Liberty in New York. The last time this happened during the 1995-96 shutdown, some 7 million visitors were turned away." (emphasis mine)

I know...I was one of the 7 million.

 

[LowDown]

The parks are part of the US government.
Bohner and the anarchists of the House shut it all down when they shut down the government.

No, Obama shut it down when he dug in his heels and refused to negotiate. The Republicans are acting in accordance with their principles and their constituent's wishes. Even a blazing horse's rear like LBJ could negotiate, but not the current President. Even George Bush, as stupid as your ilk thinks he is, could negotiate rings around the current President. Clinton elevated negotiation to the level of a fine art -- Obama doesn't deserve to kiss his toenails in that regard. And now President Obama is showing us what a pig's rear he is with all this nonsense. The blame lies with the incompetent actor, and that's the President.

Think about it: All the Republicans want is a relatively brief pause in implementation of the ACA. Obama will still have the ACA if he gives in a bit, but now it's become like this big ego thing with him.

 

[LowDown]

Wrong x 2.

From The Washington Post (Absolutely everything you need to know about how the government shutdown will work):

"Parks and museums: The National Park Service will close more than 400 national parks and museums, including Yosemite National Park in California, Alcatraz in San Francisco, and the Statue of Liberty in New York. The last time this happened during the 1995-96 shutdown, some 7 million visitors were turned away." (emphasis mine)

I know...I was one of the 7 million.

Is that right? They shut down the Washington Mall, went out of their way to keep people out? They refused to let people stop and view Mt. Rushmore from public roads? They forced people doing business on leased land to shut down? They closed roads and refused to let school busses pass? Really?

 

[Deuce]

Is the OP really so delusional as to think someone deliberately closed a road so as to stop a school bus full of children, and that this decision actually came from the White House?

 

[EdwinWillers]

No federal funding = no federal government...
No federal government = no federal parks...
Actions have consequences...
Time for you to learn...:fyi:

No fiscal responsibility = no economy
No economy = no jobs
No jobs = no federal funding
No federal funding = no federal government
No federal government = no entitlement programs

... yes, actions do have consequences, and the earlier one starts learning, the better.

 

[SBu]

The Obama Administration has been busy shutting down federal assets like open air parks and monuments. They want to show us how important the federal government is. Instead they are showing us how evil and spiteful the federal government can be with the wrong people heading it up. (In light of this and the politicized IRS, the politicized DoJ, and the politicized EPA, why did we even think of letting the feds take control of medical care?):shock:

• Mt. Rushmore was closed. And park rangers kept people from observing the monument from public roads.
• National Parks were closed, and the private businesses that lease land on them were forced to shut down.
• A road through a national park was closed leaving school buses unable to return children from a school.
• As is well known, the WWII Monument in Washington DC was closed. Extra law enforcement was called in to keep people out. Octegenarian WWII veterans were threatened with arrest for insisting on seeing the monument.
• Federal web sites that typically require little oversight from IT were shut down. However, whitehouse.gov is still able to provide us with the latest updates on Pres. Obama's efforts to grab a sandwich.
• A jogger is booted from the Jefferson Memorial
• The Gettysburg Memorial was closed. This prompted some civil disobedience.

It seems to be costing the federal government more to close these parks, monuments, and roads than it would to let them remain open.

Soooooo, we have plenty of law enforcement to keep these places closed, but not minimally open? Shame.

 

[Arbo]

No federal funding = no federal government...
No federal government = no federal parks...
Actions have consequences...
Time for you to learn...:fyi:

No federal funding? How many millions of federal workers are there, and how many are still working? FAIL on your part.

You are bad for my mountains, you should go back to California.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Is that right? They shut down the Washington Mall, went out of their way to keep people out? They refused to let people stop and view Mt. Rushmore from public roads? They forced people doing business on leased land to shut down? They closed roads and refused to let school busses pass? Really?

I never said they did. I only showed your post...

During the government shutdown while Clinton was President they all remained open to public access, and that has been true of all the other shutdowns.

...to be untrue. That calls into question your credibility on the matter, as does the above attempt to obfuscate my post by exaggerating it.

But I will offer a bit of admittedly anecdotal evidence. During the Clinton-Gingrich shutdown, we stepped from a public road under the chain blocking a National Wildlife Area. We were promptly caught by a ranger who thoroughly gnawed our posteriors while escorting us off the property. Legally, we were trespassing and he could have arrested us. So yeah, really, they did close roads and go out of their way to keep people out.

 

[Harshaw]

The Obama Administration has been busy shutting down federal assets like open air parks and monuments. They want to show us how important the federal government is. Instead they are showing us how evil and spiteful the federal government can be with the wrong people heading it up. (In light of this and the politicized IRS, the politicized DoJ, and the politicized EPA, why did we even think of letting the feds take control of medical care?):shock:

• Mt. Rushmore was closed. And park rangers kept people from observing the monument from public roads.
• National Parks were closed, and the private businesses that lease land on them were forced to shut down.
• A road through a national park was closed leaving school buses unable to return children from a school.
• As is well known, the WWII Monument in Washington DC was closed. Extra law enforcement was called in to keep people out. Octegenarian WWII veterans were threatened with arrest for insisting on seeing the monument.
• Federal web sites that typically require little oversight from IT were shut down. However, whitehouse.gov is still able to provide us with the latest updates on Pres. Obama's efforts to grab a sandwich.
• A jogger is booted from the Jefferson Memorial
• The Gettysburg Memorial was closed. This prompted some civil disobedience.

It seems to be costing the federal government more to close these parks, monuments, and roads than it would to let them remain open.

Honestly, I think the only reason they haven't tried to shut down the Interstate system is because they know they could never get away with it. The outrage would be fatal, and it would be too damaging to the country. But they'd do it if they could -- after all, the same rationales would apply.

 

[iguanaman]

Congress had nothing to do with the decision to shut these parks down. During the government shutdown while Clinton was President they all remained open to public access, and that has been true of all the other shutdowns. This President is uniquely vindictive. His supporters should be ashamed.

Your mind is clouded with Breitbarf lies, my friend. You need to get out of the bubble once in a while at least.

A 2010 Congressional Research Service report summarized other details of the 1995-1996 government shutdowns, indicating the shutdown impacted all sectors of the economy. Health and welfare services for military veterans were curtailed; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped disease surveillance; new clinical research patients were not accepted at the National Institutes of Health; and toxic waste clean-up work at 609 sites was halted. Other impacts included: the closure of 368 National Park sites resulted in the loss of some seven million visitors; 200,000 applications for passports and 20,000 to 30,000 applications for visas by foreigners went unprocessed each day; U.S. tourism and airline industries incurred millions of dollars in losses; more than 20% of federal contracts, representing $3.7 billion in spending, were affected adversely.[7]

United States federal government shutdown of 1995

 

[EdwinWillers]

The Obama Administration has been busy shutting down federal assets like open air parks and monuments. They want to show us how important the federal government is. Instead they are showing us how evil and spiteful the federal government can be with the wrong people heading it up. (In light of this and the politicized IRS, the politicized DoJ, and the politicized EPA, why did we even think of letting the feds take control of medical care?):shock:

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Your mind is clouded with Breitbarf lies, my friend. You need to get out of the bubble once in a while at least.

:lamo "Breitbarf." Did you get that from the same administration-sanctioned list of pejoratives as "Republicants" and "Faux News?"

You really need to read the posts to which you think you're responding so cleverly. He's been talking about "open air parks and monuments."

I mean, seriously - it's the very first sentence of the thread.

 

[iguanaman]

:lamo "Breitbarf." Did you get that from the same administration-sanctioned list of pejoratives as "Republicants" and "Faux News?"

You really need to read the posts to which you think you're responding so cleverly. He's been talking about "open air parks and monuments."

I mean, seriously - it's the very first sentence of the thread.

He also claimed that National Parks were not closed in earlier shutdowns and that Obama was the only one who did. I proved that he was a liar, and I guess you like liars. I suppose that is all you guys have left, hence you quote Breitbarf, a site that has made a business of lying.

 

[VanceMack]

After 5 years, the administration is finally honing their border security skills. Funny though..he still cant seem to do anything about the illegal immigrants. If only our southern border were being deluged by wheelchair bound WW2 vets...

 

[Jack Hays]

He also claimed that National Parks were not closed in earlier shutdowns and that Obama was the only one who did. I proved that he was a liar, and I guess you like liars. I suppose that is all you guys have left, hence you quote Breitbarf, a site that has made a business of lying.

People can be mistaken without being liars. Just sayin' . . .

 

[jimbo]

A lot of us are not convinced that the ACA is an accomplishment worth bragging rights on anybody's scale. Besides, Obama has been vindictive for a very long time - most of his life, it seems. Community organizing will do that to ya, I guess.

Either that or vindictive people choose to become community organizers, then look at the US as one big flawed community.

 

[EdwinWillers]

People can be mistaken without being liars. Just sayin' . . .

Not if our worldview doesn't match theirs. Merely having an opposing worldview is what makes us all liars dontcha know -

 

[fmw]

No federal funding = no federal government...
No federal government = no federal parks...
Actions have consequences...
Time for you to learn...:fyi:

No time for you to learn. The federal government isn't denied funding. It is denied an increase in the credit line. All it has to do is spend less. I think closing parks is a stupid and meaningless way to spend less but if that is the administrations priorities then, fine, close the parks.

 

[VanceMack]

No federal funding = no federal government...
No federal government = no federal parks...
Actions have consequences...
Time for you to learn...:fyi:

Unless you are liberals promoting illegal immigration...right?