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White House edits stain its reliance on science

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Academics, environmentalists and federal investigators have accused the administration since the April spill of downplaying scientific findings, misrepresenting data and most recently misconstruing the opinions of experts it solicited.

Meanwhile, the owner of the rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, Transocean Ltd., is renewing its argument that federal investigators are in danger of allowing the blowout preventer, a key piece of evidence, to corrode as it awaits forensic analysis. Testing had not begun as of last week, the company says, some two months after it was raised from the seafloor.

The latest complaint from scientists comes in a report by the Interior Department's inspector general, which concluded that the White House edited a drilling safety report...

White House edits stain its reliance on science - Yahoo! News

Original Source: AP
and at
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44921.html
The White House rewrote crucial sections of an Interior Department report to suggest an independent group of scientists and engineers supported a six-month ban on offshore oil drilling, the Interior inspector general says in a new report.
That is corruption. They went before a Fed Judge with this document knowing it misrepresented the truth... a lie... in court.
They should go after Salazar and his Dept. and the lawyers that knowingly doctored the report and let it go before the Judge/Court to deceive him into bringing about a decision they wanted.

I guess this can be filed under never waste a crisis.
I recall Obama's election claim repeatedly he had tremendous judgment.:roll:

This man is Machiavellian.

Remember this?

Crude Politics
The drilling experts speak out on the Obama deepwater moratorium.

Before the Obama Administration sweeps under the carpet the controversy over the drilling experts it falsely used to justify its moratorium...


...there was no discussion of a moratorium on existing drilling. "Because if anybody had [made that suggestion], we'd have said 'that's craziness.'"

Ken Arnold, an engineer and consultant, said the changes went beyond just the drilling moratorium...

Yet when the final report came out, the timelines he saw had been removed... Mr. Arnold adds that the Administration's decision to allow industry to continue drilling "gas injection wells"—which, he says, are no more risky than production wells—only shows the moratorium makes "no sense."

"This was a political call; this was not a technical call," says Mr. Arnold...

Crude Politics - WSJ.com
 
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this is not transparency
this is obfuscation

this is NOT change we can believe in
 

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If it's proven that the administration, intentionally altered data to support it's agenda and at the same time, putting tens of thousands of Americans out of work, there needs to be a serious investigation. Not sure if that would be a crime, but it damn sure oughta be.
 

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If it's proven that the administration, intentionally altered data to support it's agenda and at the same time, putting tens of thousands of Americans out of work, there needs to be a serious investigation. Not sure if that would be a crime, but it damn sure oughta be.
no. the administration has an authority to impose a moratorium, which would potentially have negative economic consequences
but the administration is being disingenuous when it attempts to paint its decision as one which received the assent of a peer review
that is an overt attempt to shirk responsibility for the administration's actions/decisions. if the administration can justify its basis for issuing the moratorium, then that is what should be expressed. it should not mislead the public in its attempt to portray the peer review as having blessed the administration's actions
 

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this is devastating (tho not in the least surprising)

this was the INSPECTOR GENERAL from obnoxious obama's own INTERIOR DEPT (ken salazar) making this REPORT

it frankly charges the white house with downplaying the SCIENCE of bp at the expense of POLITICS

the administration MISREPRESENTED the data

in other words, our leaders LIED

the INSPECTOR GENERAL specifically debunks white house claims that its "findings" were PEER REVIEWED

only ONE MONTH ago, obfuscating obama's own SPILL COMMISSION reached the exact same conclusions

from the op:

Last month, staff for the presidential oil spill commission said that the White House's budget office delayed publication of a scientific report that forecast how much oil could reach the Gulf's shores. Federal scientists initially used a volume of oil that did not account for the administration's various cleanup efforts, but the government ultimately cited smaller amounts of oil.

The same report said that President Barack Obama's energy adviser, Carol Browner, mischaracterized on national TV a government analysis about where the oil went, saying it showed most of the oil was "gone." The report said it could still be there. It also said that Browner and the head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Jane Lubchenco, contributed to the public's perception the report was more exact than it was by emphasizing peer review.
ah, so the ivy hall elitists are liars

the peers reviewed retracted:

All seven experts asked to review the Interior Department's work expressed concern about the change made by the White House, saying that it differed in important ways from the draft they had approved.
do you remember a few weeks ago when obtuse obama cited FACTS and SCIENCE and ARGUMENT as he most recently INSULTED the knuckle dragging electorate which only days later would REPEAL and REPLACE 65 congressfolk, 6 senators, 10 governors and 20 state legislatures out of pelosi's party of progressivism?

"People out there are still hurting very badly, and they are still scared. And so part of the reason that our politics seems so tough right now, and facts and science and argument does (sic) not seem to be winning the day all the time, is because we're hard-wired not to always think clearly when we're scared."
Obama: Voters 'Scared,' Not Thinking Clearly About Election - FoxNews.com

ah, the bit about the LIZARD BRAIN, again

obtuse obama's "science," it turns out, is as bad as his economics, heck, as bereft even as his basic arithmetic

STILL not embarrassed?

perfect

party on

keep pelosi
 
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If it's proven that the administration, intentionally altered data to support it's agenda and at the same time, putting tens of thousands of Americans out of work, there needs to be a serious investigation. Not sure if that would be a crime, but it damn sure oughta be.
Oh, going before the court with falsified documents, and selling their case using those doctored docs, and having the judge make his ruling on that evidence is criminal.

Calling Congressman Issa... calling Congressman Issa... Congressman Issa... pick up the Red Phone please.

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Jindal and Barber need to be all over this.

I wonder if this gets traction soon, if at all. Will anyone other than Fox cover this on television?
 

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I see the liberals are staying away in droves. Either they are also pissed, or they have not yet received their opinions and marching orders from Olbermann and Maddow.
 

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Where are those liberals?
The moment you say "liberals are staying away," we're more likely to stay away. Because then it looks like they're responding because of your prodding.

Wait. That's what I'm doing. DAMNIT.

Anyway. This sounds like some shady business. I'd like to see the original report and the edits that the White House made. This is the kind of bull**** that always happens when you let politicians and bureaucrats get ahold of the work done by scientists before its published. Dictator Deuce would never allow such things.
 

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I see the liberals are staying away in droves. Either they are also pissed, or they have not yet received their opinions and marching orders from Olbermann and Maddow.
For right know Pissed off liberal, until I am fully informed on this subject to form an opinion on this until I hear more. I will comment later on this subject, but I will say I disapprove of this admissibly. .
 
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Oh, going before the court with falsified documents, and selling their case using those doctored docs, and having the judge make his ruling on that evidence is criminal.

Calling Congressman Issa... calling Congressman Issa... Congressman Issa... pick up the Red Phone please.

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Yep! A federal judge did look at this case, twice. Looks like a crime to me.
 

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For right know Pissed off liberal, until I am fully informed on this subject to form an opinion on this until I hear more. I will comment later on this subject, but I will say I disapprove of this admissibly. .
This isn't news, ya know. It's been common knowledge since the first day of the moritorium, that the expert panel never recommended a drilling halt.

And, you've supported those tyrannical bastards all along.
 

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The moment you say "liberals are staying away," we're more likely to stay away. Because then it looks like they're responding because of your prodding.

Wait. That's what I'm doing. DAMNIT.

Anyway. This sounds like some shady business. I'd like to see the original report and the edits that the White House made. This is the kind of bull**** that always happens when you let politicians and bureaucrats get ahold of the work done by scientists before its published. Dictator Deuce would never allow such things.
When Libbos oppose Obama, it's just lip service, anyway.

You were all 100% behind the moratorium, from the git-go. The experts on the panel said back then, "we never suggested a drilling ban", and every last one of you jumped on the band wagon, anyway.
 

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This isn't news, ya know. It's been common knowledge since the first day of the moritorium, that the expert panel never recommended a drilling halt.

And, you've supported those tyrannical bastards all along.
I am not sure who your talking about here, because I was not saying I supported it. And no it hasn't been common Knowledge that they did edit it until the moratorium was already almost signed. Please tell me, when I supported this moratorium at all.in. Apdst I have supported states right above all else, and the rights of the people voting for a ban but never did I actually support the measure.
 
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There is little synchronicity between what scientists want, politicians want, and the people want. This is less about what environmentalists desire and more about what the American people expect in response to disaster.
 

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Please, your the one that are labeling us as supporters of a bill that we never claimed to support.
You opposed the drilling moratorium? You opposed the president abusing his authority, by using an executive order to inact a ban, that he knew would kill jobs?
 

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All dem demokrats supported dat drilling moratorium dat took all dem jobs yep. Dey hate the jobs. I have fundamentally disproven their political beliefs. Yep.
Badingadangdoo...
 

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All dem demokrats supported dat drilling moratorium dat took all dem jobs yep. Dey hate the jobs. I have fundamentally disproven their political beliefs. Yep.
Badingadangdoo...
You're more interested in mockery, than in answering the question.

BTW, I'm not white, so that's a crappy comparison.
 

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I am not sure who your talking about here, because I was not saying I supported it. And no it hasn't been common Knowledge that they did edit it until the moratorium was already almost signed. Please tell me, when I supported this moratorium at all.in. Apdst I have supported states right above all else, and the rights of the people voting for a ban but never did I actually support the measure.
The WSJ was working this story months ago... when the experts were pissed their recommendations were altered, as they believed it would do greater harm and put us at greater risk for future drilling probs. Journolists, as usual, looked the other way and were heard humming "Hey Bama, Oh Bama, Bama Bama, O-bama."

A DP thread dating from June 17, 2010 about this matter.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-blogs/75126-crude-politics-drilling-experts-speak-out-obama-deepwater-moratorium.html

There is little synchronicity between what scientists want, politicians want, and the people want. This is less about what environmentalists desire and more about what the American people expect in response to disaster.
There should be "synchronicity"... ahhh... true representations of statements of experts when going before a Judge or Court.

Most American certainly do not expect the government to falsify documents before a judge, but there are certain elements (obviously the Obama Admin) that don't really care about the means... but their politically motivated... ideological result. It's how we get statements like... we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it... type garbage. It's how you get Black Panther cases tossed by the DOJ. In a similar vein, it's how you get Sandy Burgler stuffing docs down his pants from the National Archives... docs related to Clinton and 911... and then destroying the evidence.

What we have here is ideology trumping truthful representation of expert witnesses.

Throw the book at the Interior Dept. bums and anyone else involved.

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