............................................why not repeal SSI, Medicaid, Public Schools, Park Services, Infrastructure, food stamps, and everything else the govt provides then.
............................................why not repeal SSI, Medicaid, Public Schools, Park Services, Infrastructure, food stamps, and everything else the govt provides then.
How do people against some or all of the proposed health care reform bill reconcile the difference between the ambulance and the doctor? Emergency services, fire, police, paramedics, etc. are socialized in our country.
Why do we draw the line at the hospital or Dr.'s doorstep? Why are you on your own dime when the ambulance drops you at the emergency room?
We actually had to pass laws to make it illegal for emergency rooms to refuse care to those with an immediate need. There was a time (and maybe this still goes on) where ambulance drivers asked what kind of insurance you have. How did it come to that? No founding father or free-market capitalist would ever support that kind of morally reprehensible behavior, but some how it went on.
I don't believe that all health care insurance providers are greedy, soulless entities. Many of the horror stories happen with low-cost or budget providers. The bigger companies that provide insurance for companies and their employees have too much to loose by not operating in an ethical manner. If too many employees complain to their employer, the company will start shopping around.
Something to consider: Spending vs. outcome. How is that the areas that spend the most on health insurance don't have better health outcomes than those areas that spend less?
There is a fundamental difference between the government protecting your rights - i.e. military, police and fire department - and providing you the means to exercise those rights.How do people against some or all of the proposed health care reform bill reconcile the difference between the ambulance and the doctor? Emergency services, fire, police, paramedics, etc. are socialized in our country.
Yes. Inanely silly, forcing people to provide goods and services for free.We actually had to pass laws to make it illegal for emergency rooms to refuse care to those with an immediate need.
The novel idea that you should get paid for the work that you do?There was a time (and maybe this still goes on) where ambulance drivers asked what kind of insurance you have. How did it come to that?
On the contrary -- ALL of them would expect that people receive compenation for the goods and services they provide.No founding father or free-market capitalist would ever support that kind of morally reprehensible behavior, but some how it went on.
Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
Of course it is.Anyone who is under the impression this is at ALL about healtchcare just doesn't get it..
This is 100%, non-negotiable growth of government.. does ANYONE here think this is about providing healthcare??... NOPE it is about one of the biggest Progressive Power grabs...
Yes. Inanely silly, forcing people to provide goods and services for free.
That one person can walk into any hospital in the United States and get the care they need. No one is turned away; that's the truth Obama and his lying liberals want to acknowledge.
Obama doesn't give a crap about the one person you describe either. He just wants to control that person's health care so he can control his voting pattern.
Yes. And I said that was inane.Okay, Goobieman, if you want to defend that position, let's hear it.
In the context of my post, did you understand what we're talking about? People with a critical medical need being turned away from emergency rooms or dying on the way to the public 'free' hospital. That practice has been outlawed, to my knowledge.
That should br pretty clear from the rest of my post -- everyone has a right to be paid for goods and/or services he or she provides.But tell us, why do think it is right for Doctors/Hospitals to refuse to care and stabilize a critical patient?
Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
Ambulances and paramedics are not socialized where I am. They are private businesses who provide excellent service because they are competing with other ambulance companies.
As far as fire fighters, I have no problem contracting them out. Police should stay as government controlled because they are enforcing government laws. It would probably be more difficult to get citizens to obey private companies that are enforcing government laws.
Sometimes you just have to draw them a picture before they get it.
Sometimes you just have to draw them a picture before they get it.
Yes. And I said that was inane.
That should br pretty clear from the rest of my post -- everyone has a right to be paid for goods and/or services he or she provides.
That's what happens when you force people to provide health care to others w/o them having to pay for it.Fair enough. But what in my post made you think I'm for people working for free or doctors not getting paid?
15. Obamacare still FINES individuals, still CUTS MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, still covers ILLEGALS, still changes public funding of ABORTION, still bends the COST CURVE the wrong way, still taxes BENEFITS (the McCain plan), still looks to END OF LIFE COSTS for scary savings...
On the "illegals", this problem, If it is a problem, can be solved by fining the wealthy farmers who employ them.
They come to our nation in search of work - and there seems to be plenty here.
Wall are senseless.
On Health Care.
Greed is the problem.
Others may know how to solve this, I do not.
I am, however, thinking of higher taxes, causing the wealthy to cry, no sympathy here.
On "end of life medical costs", should a man , 75 years of age, be given a new heart ?
Contraversial and I say NO!
But, this I kn, ow, a man must have a living will, and he, not the doctors, must determine when he dies.
Then, all the stories I have heard about people being denied health care at hospitals are just that....stories... I don't know??
I do know that its man's weakness to lie.
And I do know that health care at these hospitals is frightfully expensive.
Why is this ?
$1,000 per month is the latest quote I have heard concerning the cost of health care insurance..
Is this reasonable ?
If so, then all this "debate" is "much ado about nothing".
My mind is not made up concerning a solution...But when I think that Canada, Japan, and the Euro countries have government health care and we do not...
Makes we wonder...why ?
That's what happens when you force people to provide health care to others w/o them having to pay for it.
Unless, of course, someone else is forced to pay for it, either other patients from the same facility, or the people of a state trhough taxes.
That's worse.
Which one of those countries can defend it's self, or has been able to defend it's self in the last 50 years?
How much do they save to spend on their health care by letting someone else defend them? Would they still be able to have Socialized health care if they had to have a standing army to defend themselves? Would they still be free if we didn’t spend trillions on defending them?… or would they all be speaking Russian or Chinese now.
So, you believe the 'safety nets' we have in this country for families with low incomes and the indigent population should be done away with?
If a person, for whatever reason, finds himself unable to pay for healthcare, then society is not obliged in anyway to help them?
Should firemen and paramedics carry credit card swipers, too. I mean, we should only be rescuing those fortunate enough to pay, right.:roll:
I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?