Whistle-blower or Traitor? (1 Viewer)

[easyt65]

News is breaking this morning about how Washington Insiders are 'breaking the news' (which is purely unjustified/unproven rumor/spin at this point) that Bush plans to launch missile attacks against Iran in the last days of his Administration.

So, does that make these guys 'good Americans', whislte-blowers, or traitors?

If you understand what is going on in the world, understand that we have been at war since approx. 1995 against Islamic Extremists - who include both terrorists groups and nations such as Iran and Syria - who have promised and are intent on our destruction as well as the destruction of our allies, then you would concede that we are indeed in a state of war. If at war, to announce such information as planned attacks on the enemy could be considered treason! Of course an extreme legalistic stance would be necessary to argue this point (sort of like the Libs who argue how Clinton was never really 'convicted' for the 2 felony counts he committed and for which he was punished).

Whistle-blower is the lesser of two 'evils', for lack of a better word, I guess. the use of such a word sort of demonstrates, ay least in my mind, the lack of understanding of what is really going on, sort of like the lib's cries that there is no war on terror and we aren't in any danger & the GOP is just using scare tactics, even in light of UK foiling the latest terror plot.

Good American? If you want to talk 'scare tactics', I think this is the king of them right here, and I believe that it is no coincidence that it is a Democrat making this claim prior to the up-coming elections.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

We are NOT at war with Iran nor is it intent on our destruction. Stop trying to blur the lines.

 

[Captain America]

That's like differentiating between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter" I suppose.

For example, had Clinton decided to launch a war before leaving office for Bush to deal with, and Newt Gingrich exposed his plan, you would probably call him a patriotic "whistleblower."

But, on the other hand, if Bush decided to do the same and, say, Feingold leaked the news, you, no doubt, would call him a traitor.

Catch my drift?

 

[easyt65]

We are NOT at war with Iran nor is it intent on our destruction. Stop trying to blur the lines.

Not at war with the U.S.?

Iran's 27-year Jihad Against America
Today's announcement by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that Iran would reject talks with the U.S. over its nuclear program comes as no surprise to veteran Iran-watchers.

In fact, this weekend marked the tenth anniversary of the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. servicemen and wounded hundreds more. Just last week, former FBI director Louis Freeh stated that the Iranian government ordered that attack. Indeed, ever since the 1979 Islamic revolution, the Iranian regime has been in a virtual state of war against the United States.

The 1979 hostage crisis was only the first volley in this Iranian jihad. The bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April 1983 and the murder of 241 U.S. Marines in Beirut that same year were the next stage. And the hits have just kept coming. Most recently, Iran has been facilitating and funding the death of American troops in Iraq. Some even say the Iranians were involved in the planning of 9/11.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/Commentary/NewsBlogs/StakelbeckOnTerror/060627.aspx

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37883

http://www.nysun.com/article/32594
"Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda." What this means is "Peace only unto those who follow the true path."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/22/214943.shtml?s=lh
Report: Iran Wields Considerable Influence in Iraq
Iranian ties to Iraq violence! Iran is killing Americans in Iraq!

http://www.aina.org/news/20060821162648.htm
Three Iranian Factories 'Mass-produce Bombs to Kill British in Iraq'
Three factories in Iran are mass-producing the sophisticated roadside bombs used to kill British soldiers over the border in Iraq…
-- Iran guilty of an Internationally-defined act of war through this action...yet where is the U.N. outdry and/or response?


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/22/121049.shtml?s=lh
Iranian Troops Fire on Romanian Oil Rig
-- Iran starts privitizing and seizing foreign oil rigs/assets,reminiscent of Hugo Chaves, who recently met with Iranian leaders.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1852843,00.html
Kurds flee homes as Iran shells Iraq's northern frontier
-- Iran is bombing Kurds in Iraq and now have a lot of troops and tanks on that border, as if poised to move in. The Kurds are under our protection right now. Haven't heard this on the news have you?!


http://www.newshounds.us/2006/08/10/gibson_runs_with_fact_from_israel_tv_that_iranian_ soldiers_among_dead_in_lebanon.php
…Iranian soldiers' bodies were found among those killed in the day's fighting in Lebanon.

Iran's leader recently stated that the 1st step in muslim domination of the world is to destroy israel followed by the U.S.

Clinton ignored Bin Ladden's declaration of war against the U.S. in '95....and we are about to repeat that by ignoring the Muslim Extremists, like Iran's leader, who are saying they are at war with us!

 

[easyt65]

That's like differentiating between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter" I suppose.

For example, had Clinton decided to launch a war before leaving office for Bush to deal with, and Newt Gingrich exposed his plan, you would probably call him a patriotic "whistleblower."

But, on the other hand, if Bush decided to do the same and, say, Feingold leaked the news, you, no doubt, would call him a traitor.

Catch my drift?

I am not sure what to call all the people making the reports. Iran is such a pain in the butt EVERY mother's son is making predictions that we will attack...so I wouldn't call anyone saying such a thing today a traitor. Now if you had inside knowledge and said the exact time, day, month, and year, exactly how the attacks would be carried out, etc - that would be different!

I remember back in the early 90s/late 80s when Israel was going to launch an airstrike on a PLO position and a news crew reported the planes were just about to take off, their route, and target! THAT was un-intentional treason because the reporter was just stupid and did not have any agenda - the mission was immediately scrubbed.

a politician exposing a highly classified LEGAL program being used to counter the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 JUST to execute a political hit on the President, thereby eliminating one of our tools to fight terrorism and putting the country in jeopardy - yeah, I would call THAT treason!

All the talk going on now about attacking Iran? Naw - just rumor and speculation.

 

[Captain America]

Well Easy, you know where I stand on Iran. Of course, this will cost me my membership at the Bleeding Heart Country Club but I say kicking Iran's butt is long overdue. However, better timing would have been more advantagous in my humble opinion (Thanks George.:roll: )

But you get what I was saying above don't you? In the partisan atmosphere that we currently live in, the hard right would call anyone left of center a traitor and neocon a hero for doing basically the same thing.

That is pointed out over and over and over on too many issues to count.

 

[easyt65]

Well Easy, you know where I stand on Iran. Of course, this will cost me my membership at the Bleeding Heart Country Club but I say kicking Iran's butt is long overdue. However, better timing would have been more advantagous in my humble opinion (Thanks George.:roll: )

But you get what I was saying above don't you? In the partisan atmosphere that we currently live in, the hard right would call anyone left of center a traitor and neocon a hero for doing basically the same thing.

That is pointed out over and over and over on too many issues to count.

I agree with you Cap!

 

[Captain America]

I agree with you Cap!

And I agree with you on about 90+% of the stuff you write too. Far more than I usually agree with any liberal here that comes to mind.

Aquapub and Navy Pride should take lessons from you on what it means to be a good (real) conservative.

Yet, I am branded liberal? Would you say that I am a liberal too?

My peers in real life consider me pretty right wing. Myself, I think on any given day on any given issue I am usually just right or left of center.

 

[easyt65]

And I agree with you on about 90+% of the stuff you write too. Far more than I usually agree with any liberal here that comes to mind.

Aquapub and Navy Pride should take lessons from you on what it means to be a good (real) conservative.

Yet, I am branded liberal? Would you say that I am a liberal too?

My peers in real life consider me pretty right wing. Myself, I think on any given day on any given issue I am usually just right or left of center.

I wouldn't consider you a liberal...more of a moderate, but you better keep that quiet or you will be kicked to the curb like Lieberman! :rofl

 

[Captain America]

I wouldn't consider you a liberal...more of a moderate, but you better keep that quiet or you will be kicked to the curb like Lieberman! :rofl

That don't bother me none. Lieberman is a winner. Just wait and see.