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While federal workers get no pay, WH officials set for $10K raises

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https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBRNQP3?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/04/while-federal-workers-go-without-pay-senior-trump-administration-officials-are-poised-get-raises/?utm_term=.2f92888ad4ac

While many federal workers go without pay and the government is partially shut down, hundreds of senior Trump political appointees are poised to receive annual raises of about $10,000 a year.

The pay raises for Cabinet secretaries, deputy secretaries, top administrators and even Vice President Pence are scheduled to go into effect beginning Jan. 5 without legislation to stop them, according to documents issued by the Office of Personnel Management and experts in federal pay.

The raises appear to be an unintended consequence of the shutdown: When lawmakers failed to pass bills Dec. 21 to fund multiple federal agencies, they allowed an existing pay freeze to lapse. The pay freeze for top federal executives was enacted by Congress in 2013 and renewed each year since then. The raises will occur because that cap will expire on Saturday without legislative action, allowing raises to kick in that have accumulated over those years but never took effect. The raises start with paychecks to be issued next week.

Cabinet secretaries would be entitled to a jump in annual salary from $199,700 to $210,700. Deputy secretaries would be entitled to a raise from $179,700 to $189,600. Others affected are under secretaries, deputy directors and other top administrators.

Pence’s pay is scheduled to rise from $230,700 to $243,500. He told reporters Friday afternoon he would turn down the raise. An administration official later said Pence’s staff believes he has to accept the raise during the shutdown and pay taxes on it, but will reimburse the Treasury or donate the pay to charity.

It was unclear whether the White House had the authority to stop the increases.

President Trump was asked by a reporter Friday whether he would consider halting the raises, or halting them during the shutdown.

“I might consider that," Trump said. "That’s a very good question.”

Oh yeah, those unpaid federal workers are really going to be loving Trump's wall now.
 

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Trump is on it... he will halt the raises...
 

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Trump is on it... he will halt the raises...

That depends exclusively on how much bad publicity it receives, and not at all on whether it's wrong.

Although it's possible my sarcasm detector is broken and you were already saying that.
 

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Trump is on it... he will halt the raises...

That depends exclusively on how much bad publicity it receives, and not at all on whether it's wrong.

My guess is he will stop the raises to get the good publicity. They were not on-purpose raises as described in the article anyway. Cheap way to get some good spin...
 

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Trump is on it... he will halt the raises...

Is he? Because so then it should've been an easy question for him to answer right then and there if what the right thing to do here was so obvious.
 

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My guess is he will stop the raises to get the good publicity. They were not on-purpose raises as described in the article anyway. Cheap way to get some good spin...

If the raises are "statutorily provided for" then the most that Mr. Trump can do is to "defer the payment".

What that means is that the people scheduled to receive the raise will receive it eventually (and will receive it retroactively).
 

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"... Top officials, which included secretaries and deputy secretaries, were set to get salary raises of roughly $10,000 that would begin to take effect Saturday because no legislation was passed to halt a pay cap set to expire Jan. 5. The White House announced Friday that it would freeze the raises shortly after Trump was asked about it by reporters earlier in the day.

Pence’s salary was set to rise from $230,700 to $243,500, and Cabinet secretaries who made $199,700 were set to receive an increase to $210,700. The Washington Post was first to bring attention to the planned salary increases. ..."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...es-raises-for-pence-and-cabinet-amid-shutdown
 

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Is he? Because so then it should've been an easy question for him to answer right then and there if what the right thing to do here was so obvious.

If you are unsure then just wait and see...
 

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"... Top officials, which included secretaries and deputy secretaries, were set to get salary raises of roughly $10,000 that would begin to take effect Saturday because no legislation was passed to halt a pay cap set to expire Jan. 5. The White House announced Friday that it would freeze the raises shortly after Trump was asked about it by reporters earlier in the day.

Pence’s salary was set to rise from $230,700 to $243,500, and Cabinet secretaries who made $199,700 were set to receive an increase to $210,700. The Washington Post was first to bring attention to the planned salary increases. ..."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...es-raises-for-pence-and-cabinet-amid-shutdown

Those raises were NOT "cancelled". What happened is that the "payments (of the increases) have been deferred".

To put it in really simple terms, if I tell you that you don't have to pay me the $10.00 that you owe me today, but can pay it too me next week, then the payment has been "deferred" and NOT "cancelled".
 

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Those raises were NOT "cancelled". What happened is that the "payments (of the increases) have been deferred".

To put it in really simple terms, if I tell you that you don't have to pay me the $10.00 that you owe me today, but can pay it too me next week, then the payment has been "deferred" and NOT "cancelled".


I never said they were cancelled.

From the OP: "... President Trump was asked by a reporter Friday whether he would consider halting the raises, or halting them during the shutdown. ..."
 

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If you are unsure then just wait and see...

Why is it when it comes to doing the right thing we always have to wait and see what Trump is going to do? Why doesn't he ever seem know what that would be? Politically this should have been a no brainer. Unfortunately they asked the guy with no brain about it. Then when eventually the right does get done it only happens because one of his aides shames him into doing it. Or some other government agency steps up to do it. Like in this case where the Office of Personnel and Management decided it would be "prudent" to freeze the wages of Pence and the other cabinet members for now.
 

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Why is it when it comes to doing the right thing we always have to wait and see what Trump is going to do? Why doesn't he ever seem know what that would be? Politically this should have been a no brainer. Unfortunately they asked the guy with no brain about it. Then when eventually the right does get done it only happens because one of his aides shames him into doing it. Or some other government agency steps up to do it. Like in this case where the Office of Personnel and Management decided it would be "prudent" to freeze the wages of Pence and the other cabinet members for now.

It sounds like you are still unsure as to what the outcome will be... prudence dictates patience and openess... the Way.
 

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It sounds like you are still unsure as to what the outcome will be... prudence dictates patience and openess... the Way.

Sounds like you don't know how to answer the question.
 

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Trump canceled the raises.
 

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I never said they were cancelled.

From the OP: "... President Trump was asked by a reporter Friday whether he would consider halting the raises, or halting them during the shutdown. ..."

Unlike some, I do realize that (generally) the people who post articles for discussion are NOT the people who wrote the article.

My comment was (obviously unsuccessfully) intended to point out that the "big announcement" was, in fact, BS in that none of the people who "aren't getting raises" are actually not losing a dime - they just aren't getting those dimes NOW.
 

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Why is it when it comes to doing the right thing we always have to wait and see what Trump is going to do? Why doesn't he ever seem know what that would be? Politically this should have been a no brainer. Unfortunately they asked the guy with no brain about it. Then when eventually the right does get done it only happens because one of his aides shames him into doing it. Or some other government agency steps up to do it. Like in this case where the Office of Personnel and Management decided it would be "prudent" to freeze the wages of Pence and the other cabinet members for now.

In this case "prudent" means "it will look really crappy if we get the money that our salaries are going to increase NOW, so we'll wait until everyone is back at work and then no one will notice that we collected a whopping big chunk of 'back pay'".
 

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Not only are Trump's appointees getting pay increases, Trump issued an executive order freezing pay increases for "regular people" (civil servants only; military workers get a 2.6% bump) who work for the federal government, saying the government can't afford their 2.1% pay increase.

The pay of government employees is a matter of law.

From the rubric WaPo article:
Sarah Sanders stated that denying the pay raise "is another unnecessary byproduct of the shutdown. The administration is aware of the issue and we’re exploring options to prevent this from being implemented."​

From the quoted passage in the OP:
"Pence’s pay is scheduled to rise from $230,700 to $243,500. He told reporters Friday afternoon he would turn down the raise. An administration official later said Pence’s staff believes he has to accept the raise during the shutdown and pay taxes on it, but will reimburse the Treasury or donate the pay to charity."

Red --> That's an intriguing qualifying phrase.....


Aside:
For a POTUS who was so critical of the use of executive orders (EOs), it's worth noting that Trump has, in the first two years of his tenure, issued more of them than did his predecessor, whom Trump very vocally ridiculed --at least six times, no less -- for issuing executive orders....That even as his party controlled both legislative chambers.

  • [*=1]January 2016 -- "We have a president that can’t get anything done so he just keeps signing executive orders all over the place."
    [*=1]Feb 2016 -- "Obama, because he couldn’t get anybody to agree with him, he starts signing them like they’re butter. So I want to do away with executive orders for the most part."
    [*=1]Trump's WH cited Trump's markedly increased issuance of executive orders as part of the "proof" that Trump had "accomplished more in his first 100 days than any other President since Franklin Roosevelt."

 

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No federal employee has missed a paycheck yet. The last set of checks was processed as of December 29. The next one wouldn't start processing until January 11 even if the government were "open."
 

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No, Mr. Trump DEFERRED the raises. Mr. Trump does not have the power to actually change the laws - much as he doesn't believe that.
We're talking the raises for his staff, right?
 
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