While corrupt ruling class of Russia murders in Ukraine, they party in London...

[maxparrish]

The depravity and hypocrisy of Russia's elite is astounding. Here we have the foreign minister, the propogandist who considers western Europe so much a threat, that he has his real family living and partying in London... their pockets stuffed with cash from his corruptly derived income. SEND THESE PEOPLE PACKING!

 

[maxparrish]

 

[maxparrish]

 

[Rogue Valley]

Virtually all of the Russian elite have a "Russian family" and a "mistress" or two in the west. They purchase expensive properties, and send their children to exclusive Western schools. They have their own airplanes and super yachts.

Real-estate is the easiest way for Russian siloviki and oligarchs to launder their ill-gotten riches.

London is well known as an easy landing pad for these elite individuals. Putin's oldest daughter was living in Sweden when Crimea was invaded. She quickly moved back to Russia.

 

[joluoto]

UK only sanctioned Abramovich today, having given him enough time to move his liquid assets.

 

[TheParser]

Yes.

They say that Mr. L. is one of the biggest liars in the political world.

And he is not even ashamed.

 

[maxparrish]

Virtually all of the Russian elite have a "Russian family" and a "mistress" or two in the west. They purchase expensive properties, and send their children to exclusive Western schools. They have their own airplanes and super yachts.

Real-estate is the easiest way for Russian siloviki and oligarchs to launder their ill-gotten riches.

London is well known as an easy landing pad for these elite individuals. Putin's oldest daughter was living in Sweden when Crimea was invaded. She quickly moved back to Russia.

What I don't get is why western countries haven't ordered every Russian national out of their countries? There shouldn't be a single Russian allowed in the west until such time as the Ukraine situation is satisfactorily and entirely resolved in retaining Ukraine's rights as a sovereign nation and the withdrawal of every last Russian soldier.

These people are scum, and the notion that one of the leaders of Russia, while enabling a war of aggression, gets to buy property and maintain his family in London in a lavish lifestyle is insane. Far as I am concerned, I'd like to shove them all onto flatbed trucks and haul their ass to Byelorussia and dump them at the border, one suitcase each allowed.

 

[oneworld2]

What I don't get is why western countries haven't ordered every Russian national out of their countries? There shouldn't be a single Russian allowed in the west until such time as the Ukraine situation is satisfactorily and entirely resolved in retaining Ukraine's rights as a sovereign nation and the withdrawal of every last Russian soldier.

These people are scum, and the notion that one of the leaders of Russia, while enabling a war of aggression, gets to buy property and maintain his family in London in a lavish lifestyle is insane. Far as I am concerned, I'd like to shove them all onto flatbed trucks and haul their ass to Byelorussia and dump them at the border, one suitcase each allowed.

Finally, as clear an example of genuine russophobia as you will witness. I'm sure your comments would have been appreciated by Hermann Goring and co. And you talk about others wearing "white hoods".

 

[Manc Skipper]

The Conservative government is busy inserting loophole in the latest sanctions to allow the citizens of Londongrad to bypass them. Over and above giving them a month's notice of the imposition of said sanctions. Alexei Boris Johnson is outspoken in his denunciations of Putin, just not his oligarch donors.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Finally, as clear an example of genuine russophobia as you will witness. I'm sure your comments would have been appreciated by Hermann Goring and co. And you talk about others wearing "white hoods".

"Those people" have been permitted to steal their billions from the Russian people by paying a percentage to Putin. It's the only way to make a "profit" in his Russia.

 

[oneworld2]

"Those people" have been permitted to steal their billions from the Russian people by paying a percentage to Putin. It's the only way to make a "profit" in his Russia.

Read what he said........." every Russian national"?

They were created, in no small part, because of the wests euphoric triumphantism and unwillingness to act sensibly when the old USSR disbanded

 

[Mach]

Read what he said........." every Russian national"?
They were created, in no small part, because of the wests euphoric triumphantism and unwillingness to act sensibly when the old USSR disbanded

Wow another one.

Russian oligarch's are the fault of the U.S. That's a new gem...sparkly.

 

[Credence]

Virtually all of the Russian elite have a "Russian family" and a "mistress" or two in the west. They purchase expensive properties, and send their children to exclusive Western schools. They have their own airplanes and super yachts.

Real-estate is the easiest way for Russian siloviki and oligarchs to launder their ill-gotten riches.

London is well known as an easy landing pad for these elite individuals. Putin's oldest daughter was living in Sweden when Crimea was invaded. She quickly moved back to Russia.

Russians own and control lots of real estate in NYC and many own massive properties on Long Island.
Won't even get into the Russian Mafia in NYC affiliated with real estate and construction. Love the former guy

Where Wealthy Russians Own Real Estate in New York City

There is a growing call to sanction wealthy Russians with real estate holdings in the U.S. and even seize their properties.

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Pols: Russian-owned Killenworth on Long Island should be shuttered

Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman and Rep. Lee Zeldin made the demand from outside the gates of the 36-acre estate.

therealdeal.com

Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings

President Trump has downplayed his business ties with Russia. But @reuters found that buyers from Russia have invested at least $98 million in Trump buildings.

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[sanman]

Ukrainian Oligarchs and Russia Oligarchs are buddy-buddy, and do all kinds of business together. Oligarchy doesn't stop at the border, and spreads seamlessly across the 2 countries.
In fact everybody in both countries, except the politicians in Kyiv and Moscow, have ties with each other (okay, you can also exclude the Azov battalion as well)

So why not sanction Ukrainian Oligarchs too, while you're at it? They're totally in bed with the Russian Oligarchs.
Oligarchy is the most visible sign of the basic cultural unity among Russians & Ukrainians.
The family that ****s together stays together.

 

[oneworld2]

Wow another one.

Russian oligarch's are the fault of the U.S. That's a new gem...sparkly.

They're all " new" to you because of your wish to have a dying mind instead of a prying mind.

BTW I said the" wests" not specifically the US but you aren't known for accuracy so there is that

 

[maxparrish]

Read what he said........." every Russian national"?

They were created, in no small part, because of the wests euphoric triumphantism and unwillingness to act sensibly when the old USSR disbanded

"These people" referred to the OP, the people that are the primary subject of this discussion. They also refer to prototypical example I gave, as well as Russia's elite Putin enablers. And yes, all of them and those who enable them are scum.

While I have never had a particular like of Russians, there are obviously some Russian nationals in the west that are not of this class. Time to pack em all up and ship them home, unless they'd like to defect and renounce their Russian citizenship.

Now that you know that, I am sure you agree.

 

[oneworld2]

"These people" referred to the OP, the people that are the primary subject of this discussion. They also refer to prototypical example I gave, as well as Russia's elite Putin enablers. And yes, all of them and those who enable them are scum.

While I have never had a particular like of Russians, there are obviously some Russian nationals in the west that are not of this class. Time to pack em all up and ship them home, unless they'd like to defect and renounce their Russian citizenship.

Now that you know that, I am sure you agree.

Nope I quoted you accurately when you said that " every Russian national" should be sent back

The highlighted ? ...............you don't say, I would never have guessed.

Even in the above attempt to deflect it's obvious.............even the ones that are " not of this class." are fair game seeing as we should " pack em all up and ship them home" lols

First law of holes and all. Thx for sharing

 

[maxparrish]

Nope I quoted you accurately when you said that " every Russian national" should be sent back

The highlighted ? ...............you don't say, I would never have guessed.

Even in the above attempt to deflect it's obvious.............even the ones that are " not of this class." are fair game seeing as we should " pack em all up and ship them home" lols

First law of holes and all. Thx for sharing

For my part, I always assume a charitable reading in good faith - that you didn't is instructive to the rest of us as to your own deep prejudices. And if after clarification, you still choose to deny the clarification, it confirms your near pathological commitment to sticking to an adversarial bad faith reading and continued carping over it.

You now know who I intended and still are referring to in "these people". That you presume to know my mind better than I, and that others did get it right, is only indicative of your own obsessive need.

 

[oneworld2]

For my part, I always assume a charitable reading in good faith - that you didn't is instructive to the rest of us as to your own deep prejudices. And if after clarification, you still choose to deny the clarification, it confirms your near pathological commitment to sticking to an adversarial bad faith reading and continued carping over it.

You now know who I intended and still are referring to in "these people". That you presume to know my mind better than I, and that others did get it right, is only indicative of your own obsessive need.

Do you really?

So when I commented on the liklihood of armed civilians in Ukraine being a cause for concern for heightened attacks on Ukrainians by Russian forces there, you twist that into an inference that I am saying that they are all legal/legitimate targets. I never said that and afair you still haven't responded to it

Was that a " good faith reading" of my post? no

But here you are waxing lyrical about how " adversarial" I am with my " bad faith readings" lols

That you are trying to now distance yourself from your words that stated " every Russian national" should be sent back and that you have " never had a particular like of Russians " it's somehow my fault for misreading you. Really ? lols

You were quoted accurately and your wringling out of your obvious dislike for all Russians has failed.

 

[maxparrish]

Do you really?

So when I commented on the liklihood of armed civilians in Ukraine being a cause for concern for heightened attacks on Ukrainians by Russian forces there, you twist that into an inference that I am saying that they are all legal/legitimate targets. I never said that and afair you still haven't responded to it

Was that a " good faith reading" of my post? no

Your position was that arming civilians invited Russians to kill civilians, making it a bad idea. I demonstrated that Russians don't need to be "invited" because they do it anyway, even when civilians presented no threat and are unarmed. They repeatedly kill innocent civilians, intentionally. Hell, they habitually agree to ceasefires and the moment women and children attempt to leave on their "safe" corridors, Russians try to kill them.

My reading wasn't in bad faith, it was a contemptuous disagreement with your point.

But here you are waxing lyrical about how " adversarial" I am with my " bad faith readings" lols

That you are trying to now distance yourself from your words that stated " every Russian national" should be sent back and that you have " never had a particular like of Russians " it's somehow my fault for misreading you. Really ? lols

You were quoted accurately and your wringling out of your obvious dislike for all Russians has failed.

Whether or not you justly misread what I wrote is irrelevant. I clarified my meaning and you refused to accept my clarification as my sincere position. Rather, you continue with a character attack and avoid the issues raised. It's an old ploy in unartful dodging, and your obviously addicted to it.

I don't tolerate such nonsense. If you want to discuss whether or not the Russian people are likeable, open a thread. Be more than happy to comment.

 

[HangLow]

Wow another one.
Russian oligarch's are the fault of the U.S. That's a new gem...sparkly.

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[Rogue Valley]

Ukrainian Oligarchs and Russia Oligarchs are buddy-buddy

No. They are enemies.

The Ukrainian oligarchs know that if Putin comes to power in Ukraine, he'll allow his crony Russian oligarchs to take over their businesses.