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Which Religions Treat Women as Equals To Men?

Dragonfly said:
You must consider the sub-forum this thread is posted in. (y)
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I did, and it's pretty obvious that you're trying to point to a nonexistent distinction between the features of religion and the features of society in general.
 
Tlrmln said:
I did, and it's pretty obvious that you're trying to point to a nonexistent distinction between the features of religion and the features of society in general.
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What are you talking about. There are females who are CEO's of giant corporations.
Then there's Angela Merkel.
Margaret Thatcher.

I mean:

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2005455,00.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_CEOs_of_Fortune_500_companies

Not saying there's perfect equality, but damn...
 
Dragonfly said:
What are you talking about. There are females who are CEO's of giant corporations.
Then there's Angela Merkel.
Margaret Thatcher.

I mean:

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2005455,00.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_CEOs_of_Fortune_500_companies

Not saying there's perfect equality, but damn...
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What part of "except in the last 50 years or so" did you not you understand? The best you can say is that major religions are a tiny bit behind society in general. But then again, Queen Elizabeth II is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
 
Tlrmln said:
What part of "except in the last 50 years or so" did you not you understand? The best you can say is that major religions are a tiny bit behind society in general. But then again, Queen Elizabeth II is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
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So business and government are all a part of "society in general".

Why can they move forward, usually with the same people involved in them as are in the churches, but the churches are still stuck in the 1600's?

Yes - some churches are making progress. Some are doing it quite nicely. Others, not so much.

Then there's some HUGE churches are that way WAY behind the times. Leading the pack is the largest. The Catholic Church.
 
Valery said:
Women share a similar nature — that of being a woman. So in order to know what most women would be happy being, one doesn't have to ask every woman. I say would be because society and circumstances shape their thinking and it might be unrealistic to expect every misguided woman, who has been living a sinful life — the one typical for Western women which includes alcohol, casual sex, partying, wasting of time in trivial matters etc — for years or decades, to suddenly accept being a house wife. However, that doesn't mean they have an "innate" objection to being a house wife. It may simply mean that they aren't use to the thought, that it would require multiple big changes in their lives and multiple sacrafices for them to accept this new life.

But how many women in a western society are even offered the chance to be a house wife? How many have a husband who is willing and able to provide for his family — for longer than until the baby can be put to day care. How many believe it is beneficial for children to be raised at home? How many people are encouraged to choose such a life? How many would be discouraged from choosing such a life?
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You have zero idea what most women are happy being.
 
Dragonfly said:
So business and government are all a part of "society in general".

Why can they move forward, usually with the same people involved in them as are in the churches, but the churches are still stuck in the 1600's?

Yes - some churches are making progress. Some are doing it quite nicely. Others, not so much.

Then there's some HUGE churches are that way WAY behind the times. Leading the pack is the largest. The Catholic Church.
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Individual governments move faster because (and really only to the extent that) they are pushed by popular opinion (i.e., this rarely happens except in representative governments). But what percentage of heads of state are female?

Individual businesses move faster because they are motivated primarily by their bottom line, which may also depend to some extent on popular opinion. But how many of the Fortune 500 have female CEOs?

Religions move slower because they are primarily governed by scriptures that are thousands of years old, and they are almost by definition not democratic or subject to popular opinion.
 
Valery said:
You don't understand.

Islam is based on the Qur'an and the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم. The Qur'an and the sunnah do not change in time.

For instance, drinking alcohol is prohibited in the Qur'an. If a Muslim drinks alcohol, he is committing a sin. Does that mean he has created a new "Islam" with that sin? Of course not. His sinning doesn't change the Qur'an or the Sunnah.
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Not everyone agrees with your claim

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Tlrmln said:
Individual governments move faster because (and really only to the extent that) they are pushed by popular opinion (i.e., this rarely happens except in representative governments). But what percentage of heads of state are female?

Individual businesses move faster because they are motivated primarily by their bottom line, which may also depend to some extent on popular opinion. But how many of the Fortune 500 have female CEOs?

Religions move slower because they are primarily governed by scriptures that are thousands of years old, and they are almost by definition not democratic or subject to popular opinion.
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Individual people, that make up those individual governments and businesses (which you admit move faster) also make up those churches and religions.

In the grand scheme of things I think we're both on the same page though regarding religion/god/church.

The point being that so many religious folks seem to go completely, willfully blind when it comes to the blatant sexism/misogyny within their own religions.
They won't admit it. They'll justify it. Some will condone and even promote it.
 
Dragonfly said:
They won't admit it. They'll justify it.
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Aren't these two contradicting each other?

You think too highly of yourself when making yourself the judge of what is the correct way for a man and a woman to be part of a society. Not only that — you have come up with your "judgement" solely based on how, when and where you have been raised, not because of your "intellectual abilities".
 
Dragonfly said:
Which religions around the the world treat women as absolute equals to men?

We know this is NOT Catholics. We know it's NOT most Islamic denominations. We know it's NOT the Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty sure it's NOT Mormons.

So which religious denominations allow or permit women to achieve or hold any position within the organization that a man can hold?

Are most major religions misogynistic?
Would that make "god" a misogynist?

If yes, are you fine with that?
Do you think that's the way it should be?
Should men run the show when it comes to religion?
If yes, why?

Why can't a female be the leader of the church/group/hall/denomination/sect?
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none because that is a stupid question, women and men arent equal per say but both important

women CANT be equals to men because their different, kinda of like science cant be equal to religion because it is different
 
TypicalRussian said:
none because that is a stupid question, women and men arent equal per say but both important

women CANT be equals to men because their different, kinda of like science cant be equal to religion because it is different
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Really?

When it comes to presiding over a wedding, funeral, or conducting a prayer group, or giving a sermon, or leading an entire church, or presiding over Mass....tell me exactly how they're "unequal".
 
Dragonfly said:
Really?

When it comes to presiding over a wedding, funeral, or conducting a prayer group, or giving a sermon, or leading an entire church, or presiding over Mass....tell me exactly how they're "unequal".
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mans job to go to war and provide for the family and for some men to go into the clergy
 
TypicalRussian said:
mans job to go to war and provide for the family and for some men to go into the clergy
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Deflection noted.

You totally avoided answering the question.

Why can't a woman do EVERYTHING a man can do regarding all things religion?

A woman can give birth - that's far more god-like than anything a man can do.
 
Dragonfly said:
Deflection noted.

You totally avoided answering the question.

Why can't a woman do EVERYTHING a man can do regarding all things religion?

A woman can give birth - that's far more god-like than anything a man can do.
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women are absolutely essential for our society but the clergy is male, nuns are fantastic ways for women to get into roles

to be honest-idk, but its tradition, i think its important to uphold it
 
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