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Which medical supplies, procedures, etc. should be provided to anyone for free in the US?

mrjurrs said:
Sure. Anyone can get a MRI if they pay for it. If you don't want to pay for a MRI and a medical professional agrees with you, it's a medical necessity.
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If medical care is free then I shouldn't have to pay for it.
 
Lutherf said:
If medical care is free then I shouldn't have to pay for it.
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If you don't have the resources you wouldn't have to. If you have the resources and you want it to be free you would have to go through medical channels, the same way the person without resources would have to.
 
mrjurrs said:
If you don't have the resources you wouldn't have to. If you have the resources and you want it to be free you would have to go through medical channels, the same way the person without resources would have to.
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What?! What good is free medical care if I can't get the care I need?
 
Americans always try these gatcha semantics with regards to health care.

Ours is not perfect, it has many issues.

But the American system isn’t just an issue of having to pay, it’s brutally unfair, built on greed and lacking in its purpose.

If the goal of the American healthcare system is to deliver healthcare…

Its not doing it.

It is there to milk people dry and destroy them financially.

How can anyone support such a system?
 
Lutherf said:
What?! What good is free medical care if I can't get the care I need?
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Where did you read that? If you don't want to pay for it you would have to go through a medical practitioner. If you want the care without that, you'd have to pay.

If you want a MRI today, you can go through your medical practitioner and if deemed necessary the procedure is paid for (depending on your current medical plan). If it is deemed unnecessary, you can still get the MRI, you just have to pay for it.
 
mrjurrs said:
Where did you read that? If you don't want to pay for it you would have to go through a medical practitioner. If you want the care without that, you'd have to pay.

If you want a MRI today, you can go through your medical practitioner and if deemed necessary the procedure is paid for (depending on your current medical plan). If it is deemed unnecessary, you can still get the MRI, you just have to pay for it.
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Isn't this whole thread about what should be free?
 
Lutherf said:
Isn't this whole thread about what should be free?
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Yes it is, and I feel pretty confident that I have laid out my position of what should be free and what shouldn't. It is not based only on medical stuff, it is partially based on capacity to pay.
 
mrjurrs said:
Yes it is, and I feel pretty confident that I have laid out my position of what should be free and what shouldn't. It is not based only on medical stuff, it is partially based on capacity to pay.
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I don't think you understand the concept of "free". If I have to pay for it then it isn't free!
 
Lutherf said:
If we use tax dollars then SOMEBODY is paying for the service. The only way to do this is to make all medical care completely free.
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We all would be paying for single payer.
 
Lisa said:
We all would be paying for single payer.
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About 44% of Americans don't pay federal taxes now so I'm going to guess it won't be everyone.
 
Josie said:
About 44% of Americans don't pay federal taxes now so I'm going to guess it won't be everyone.
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Those 44% dont make enough or possibly even live under the poverty line. OMG the horror that poor people aren't paying enough taxes. Maybe Fox News could organize outrage parades for the Klan and Neo-Nazi viewers to address this issue?
 
Lisa said:
Those 44% dont make enough or possibly even live under the poverty line. OMG the horror that poor people aren't paying enough taxes. Maybe Fox News could organize outrage parades for the Klan and Neo-Nazi viewers to address this issue?
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:rolleyes:
 
Josie said:
:rolleyes:
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Josie said:
I don't know why you're typing this at me.
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Post number #36. You started the discussion with your passive aggressive tactics, but it didn't end well for you so now you are complaining about it.
 
I would be good with an extensive list of procedures and would seek to replicate a system like is in place in Germany or Canada as a tax supported model.
 
Lisa said:
Post number #36. You started the discussion with your passive aggressive tactics, but it didn't end well for you so now you are complaining about it.
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You said we would "all" be paying for it and I corrected you. That's it. You, again, are imagining more words were said.
 
Josie said:
You said we would "all" be paying for it and I corrected you. That's it. You, again, are imagining more words were said.
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We would all pay into it according to our income level. Obviously there are some that dont have the income to pay into it. Many of those people are already on Medicaid. How exactly would you tax the poor and destitute?
 
Lisa said:
We all would be paying for single payer.
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Not if it’s free. Like I said before, just take a bunch of the illegals coming across and make them health care professionals for a few years so they can become citizens.
 
Lisa said:
We would all pay into it according to our income level. Obviously there are some that dont have the income to pay into it. Many of those people are already on Medicaid. How exactly would you tax the poor and destitute?
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You're assuming things I've never said. Why do you do that?
 
Lutherf said:
Not if it’s free. Like I said before, just take a bunch of the illegals coming across and make them health care professionals for a few years so they can become citizens.
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Its not free. We all pay into Medicare and Medicaid, despite the fact that there is no cost at the time of service. Do you even understand how insurance works?

JFC on a stick!
 
Lisa said:
Its not free. We all pay into Medicare and Medicaid, despite the fact that there is no cost at the time of service. Do you even understand how insurance works?

JFC on a stick!
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Hey! We’re talking about the magic unicorn system here. Free means free! Medicable care is a human right!!!
 
Lutherf said:
Hey! We’re talking about the magic unicorn system here. Free means free! Medicable care is a human right!!!
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It is a human right. Do you think that judges and cops that enforce our constitutional rights also work for free?
 
mrjurrs said:
Depends on if it's a medical necessity (some sort of professional guidance) or an over-the-counter purchase. If you can afford it you would likely just purchase it. If you couldn't afford it, you'd need some sort of prescription.
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Anything over-the-counter should be paid for by the individual purchasing it as there is no way to know whether it is necessary or even helpful to that individual. Medical services, which are licensed should be paid through taxes. There is no "for free" medical care. It may be of no direct cost to the individual but everyone pays some form of taxes. If they don't, they certainly cannot afford the ridiculous high prices of licensed health care. Get insurance companies out of the picture. They have contributed mightily to the high cost. Doctors have to hire several staff members just to deal with insurance companies.
 
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