whysoserious
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Freedom is your capacity to choose. Can't choose **** when you're starving.
can you truely have freedom without finanacial security?
can you truely have freedom without finanacial security?
yes.
also.
duh.
"Freedom" =/= "you have the ability to do anything you want to"
Americans have freedom. However, if they don't use that freedom to attend to their own needs by securing the finances necessary to survive, freedom in itself becomes less important than survival. As I've previously said, without financial security... i.e. the means to support oneself... the only freedom left is starvation, homelessness, and welfare.
Yawn. Straw men all day.
well (speaking generally), I guess since you are free, you should go about securing those things.
check his next post about 'limits'.
Which is in the preamble the "general welfare" comes just before the "blessings of liberty".
"Freedom" =/= "you have the ability to do anything you want to"
Why does it matter if the reason you can't do what you want because of an oppressive government or a lack of money? The practical outcome is the same, and in both cases all that exists is the possibility that you'll overcome your obstacle in the future.
Practical outcome is not the same. The one you can change it, the other you can not.
The one there is still freedom, while the other their just isn't.
Are you usually this dishonest?
Actually, I spent my entire life doing just that. If I hadn't, now that I am disabled, the only freedom I would have is the freedom to die in a gutter.
Lack of money - Change it by earning more money
Oppressive government - Change it by overthrowing your government
In both cases the potential exists for you to overcome your obstacle in the future. But in neither case are you able to pursue your goals NOW.
Nope, there isn't freedom in either case.
[News flash: I'm smarter than you are. The fact that you can't dispute my points is no reason to get an attitude. :2wave:
Why does it matter if the reason you can't do what you want because of an oppressive government or a lack of money?
In no way shape or form can you compare the two as they are equal, but good try.
Bull****. The one you need to overthrow your government and probably die in the process, the other you just need a plan and some luck.
Nope, there is freedom when you are poor. You are confused. Wow, these kind of arguments are fun.
Is that all you got? Seems weak if you ask me.
the other you just need a plan and some luck.
it is much easier and can be left almost completely up to the individual to attain the second. not so the former. "go get a job" is a qualitatively different statement than "overthrow your government", and to pretend the two are comparable is ludicrous.
when you have freedom, you can secure for yourself wealth with which to exercise it. when you lack freedom (as the nKorea example demonstrates), you cannot secure for yourself those things, but are dependent upon your tyrant.
But, of course, you can't articulate WHY they aren't equal. :roll:
Obviously there are plenty of people who think it's easier to overthrow their government than to earn more money. Look at Egypt, where one of the primary causes of the revolution was the widespread poverty, cronyism and corruption in the government, and general lack of social mobility.
Nah, it's not really fun when you just keep repeating the same talking points instead of actually explaining WHY you think that or offering any explanation whatsoever.
:roll:
Ya I think I'm done responding to you unless you have something profound to add to the discussion.
Care to explain how things that are clearly different can be the same? I can't even begin to imagine it so if you are smarter than me so you should be able to explain the unexplainable.
All of is caused by........
Oh really? I keep repeating myself? Hmm..
IF you are indeed smarter like you say, its shouldn't be any trouble to prove it. That is, if its not just unfounded confidence and intermediation.
Have a wonderful rage quit. :lol:
Argh..I'm starting to hate how liberals support their views. Its like a child just saying I win in a high pitched squeal. All you did was say nothing like everyone else tonight. I'm going to take a break from DP. You guys aren't worth jack ****.
You didn't defend Licenses.
You didn't defend the presence of having to have license to to work your own body.
You didn't do ****.
God damn. I have said that to five people tonight and none of them even bothered to fix the problems of their lack of an argument. Worthless..
:shrug: even Milton Friedman argued (and the vast majority of conservatives agree) that there are two groups that shouldn't be tossed into the "animating contest of freedom": children, and the truly disabled.
but, given that we live in a knowledge economy, and that you appear pretty knowledgeable on here, i find it difficult to believe you would find yourself utterly without prospects.
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