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Which Child's Restroom Discomfort-Disadvantage Wins/Loses? [W:37]

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Obama's low intelligence blew it, Friday, with regard to his letter to public schools.

Okay, to comply, building separate restrooms for transgender students is out. That's good, because school's can't afford neither that or adding a ton of single-occupancy restrooms.

But the part of the letter that states "... to ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of sex requires schools to provide transgender students ..." reflects confusion between "sex" and "gender". Sex is physiological whereas gender neuropsychological. Obama is apparently ignorant that he can't have it both ways in this matter.

We have historically "discriminated" in multi-user elementary/middle/high school restrooms based on sex, meaning physiological sex organs, installing male-sex urinals in male-sex restrooms only and feminine hygiene products in female-sex restrooms only.

Now, only approximately .3% of the population is transsexual.

An elementary school with an average population of 500 students will have roughly two transsexual students, maybe three at the most, on average. A middle school of 650 students will have two, again, maybe three, rarely four transsexual students, on average. A high school of 850 students will have three transsexual students, five tops at the most on average. Or they might have zero. That's the accurate mathematical probabilities.

So .. regarding the part of the letter that states "... the desire to accommodate others’ discomfort cannot justify a policy that singles out and disadvantages a particular class of students ...", who is experiencing "discomfort" and is being "disadvantaged" when a 12-year-old sexually male 5th-grader walks into a restroom full of 2nd and third grade sexually female girls?!

Remember, over 99% of our population has a gender identity that matches their sex physiology .. including the 5% homo/bi -sexuals, people whose gender identity matches their physiology (it's just that their attracted-to gender isn't an "opposite" of their physiology).

For over 99% of children over the age of 4, they are already psychologically one with their sexual physiology, and, that includes both culturally and socially by the time they're in elementary school.

This 99+% of girls finds privacy from this 99+% of boys in the "girls" restroom, the reasons for which are obvious .. to that 99+%.

Obama's edict ignores a very simple decision method long practiced in America: majority rules.

Now, majority rule doesn't apply where, according to the letter, there is "discomfort" and "disadvantage". Okay, but just who in this matter is being "discomforted" and "disadvantaged"? It appears that the gender identity female in 12-year-old male physiology suffers such if she can't use the "girls" restroom, and that the little girls belonging to the 99+% physiological sex-gender match group suffer such if that gender identity female in 12-year-old male physiology does use the "girls" restroom!

So who wins this win-lose battle, and, this scenario can only be win-lose, obviously.

It would seem to me, that the little girls of the 99+% are more greatly discomforted and disadvantaged than the 12-year-old male transgender. This will especially be true in middle school, and in high school that 16-year-old male-physiology transgender is asking to have the crap beat out of him by six girls of the 99+% group should that person walk into the "girls" restroom.

Now I know we've all heard the rationale that we can't allow just anyone to choose which restroom to use at school because of potential predators or the like. Indeed, the administration policy implies a letter from the parents is necessary to authorize such.

But, what about the students? What about elementary school little girls of the 99+% category? How do they get "educated" that occasionally a rather large "boy" may enter their place of physiological and psychological privacy? Are they ready for that "educational lesson"? No, they really aren't.

And, what about the two or three transgenders in the school old enough (10, 11, 12 ?) to realize they're transgender? Do they have to identify themselves with a badge .. or "scarlet letter" .. or something so that no one will "react" when they walk into "their" restroom?

Children are immature, and immature children will be immature children .. and so-called bullying will occur when the wrongly-called "bullies" are sufficiently and legitimately frightened.

What parent wants to set their transsexual child up for that?

Obama blew it big time with this one.

Transgender students, for the benefit of everyone, need to simply keep it quiet in school and use the restroom that matches their physiological sex.

They are the least discomforted and disadvantaged compared to the the little girls in my example here.

And .. those little girls .. and their older boy school mates of the same group .. are the vast, vast majority here.

A word to the wise.
 

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This has to be the most insane and pathetic debate coming out of the US ever....

Easy solution..have uni-sex toilets.
 

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This has to be the most insane and pathetic debate coming out of the US ever....
Insane and pathetic .. straight from the White House.

Easy solution..have uni-sex toilets.
Is that how it's done in Denmark?

What about the boys who don't lift the toilet seats .. don't the girls get tired of sitting on piss?

In America, for good reason, we separate the girls from the boys when genitals may be on display. Making restrooms uni-sex, might that require adding urinals to the girls and feminine hygiene products to the boys. Money doesn't grow on trees in America. Who will pay for this?

Besides, the great majority of American parents don't want this. Majority is still supposed to rule, at least here in America.

I believe Obama blew it.

Best was to continue to have transsexuals use restrooms that match their physiology.

Who's to say that psychology (gender) does or doesn't trump physiology (sex), anyway? The opinion of the majority, hopefully.
 

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This has to be the most insane and pathetic debate coming out of the US ever....

Easy solution..have uni-sex toilets.

They already are. The greater debate is locker rooms. Traumatizing young girls with naked boys.
 

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This has to be the most insane and pathetic debate coming out of the US ever....

Easy solution..have uni-sex toilets.

It has begun in Germany now too. It would require changes in labor law, gastronomy law and probably also in other areas.
 

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They already are. The greater debate is locker rooms. Traumatizing young girls with naked boys.

Wait what? Seeing a naked male body is traumatizing for young girls? LOL
 

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Wait what? Seeing a naked male body is traumatizing for young girls? LOL
Yes, it can be offensive to young girls ..

.. To be presented with nude teen males .. who are their friends .. to whom they aren't attracted .. that might intimidate their boyfriends .. boys who might see them and respond with an erection .. who are religious and believe they are violating God's desire to wait for marriage before viewing so much naked maleness .. etc.

Such is a huge boundary violation of the personal, interpersonal, and social nature to force upon many, many young girls.

And their parents in the great, great majority here in America, don't want that.
 

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We are making such a mess of this issue, beyond pathetic.
 

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To the OP: A well thought out, balanced, and presented analysis of the situation.

Thank You.

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How are teenagers supposed to control themselves with the raging hormones if the school gives them a place where both boys and girls can get naked at the same time?
 

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And their parents in the great, great majority here in America, don't want that.

Here is your problem... that the parents live in a ****ed up fantasy world where their little girls are small angels that are pure and all that bible bull**** that has been indoctrinated over the last many centuries. It is the same world, where most Americans think that sex is bad, and showing a breast is the end of the world, but showing a bleeding corpse or people being shot is just normal.
 

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Unlike free-for=all Europe, most of our children still have some innocence.

Innocence? You mean a religiously motivated indoctrination where girls are taught they are second class citizens that are so weak that they have to be protected by the strong males and because of this not allowed their own opinions.
 

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Eh? This was started by the Republicans for **** sake.



Some places sure, others no. It is not a problem in Denmark..

Ah. The law is different than in Germany, where there are a number of laws regarding separate toilets for Gentlemen, Ladies (and the challenged)?
 

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As this thread... and issue progresses, the amount of appeal to emotion logical fallacies cannot be measured by modern technology.
 

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I am sure you have never been a young girl,pete.:2razz:

Listen if a girl is raised to not be ashamed of her own body and that of other people, then it would not be a problem. Problem is that society in general does raise girls to be ashamed of their bodies and to protect their womanhood as something sacred... which only puts all girls and women into slavery. Women, and only women should be in charge of their own bodies and lives.. not men, which is what is happening today in most countries (including my own up to a point).
 

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Ah. The law is different than in Germany, where there are a number of laws regarding separate toilets for Gentlemen, Ladies (and the challenged)?

Screw the laws.. I am talking in principle. So what if there are male and female toilets.. that is not the point. Point is that having a transsexual use the toilet of his/her choice is simply not an issue in Europe, including Germany. The US has a problem with sexuality.. and it should start acting like adults instead of 10 year olds.. :)
 

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Listen if a girl is raised to not be ashamed of her own body and that of other people, then it would not be a problem. Problem is that society in general does raise girls to be ashamed of their bodies and to protect their womanhood as something sacred... which only puts all girls and women into slavery. Women, and only women should be in charge of their own bodies and lives.. not men, which is what is happening today in most countries (including my own up to a point).

I really agree with you to a degree but no matter how they were raised they dont have to share the same toilets locker rooms etc as the boys.There is a difference between 'privilege' and the rights.
 
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I really agree with you to a degree but no matter how they were raised they dont have to share the same toilets locker rooms etc as the boys.There is a difference between 'privilege' and the rights.

They don't do it (share) at home?
 

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Screw the laws.. I am talking in principle. So what if there are male and female toilets.. that is not the point. Point is that having a transsexual use the toilet of his/her choice is simply not an issue in Europe, including Germany. The US has a problem with sexuality.. and it should start acting like adults instead of 10 year olds.. :)

And changes in the law should be done by democratic vote not edicts from the Supreme Leader. And these laws should impact adults first, not 10 year olds. Everything about the presidents action is wrong. Everything.
 

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TLDR: it is ok to discriminate as long as it is against a minority.
 
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