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Where Jacking-up the Minimum Wage Leads ...

Big Steve said:
My custodial department has been put on notice that when Florida' minimum wage hits $13 an hour, the department will be dissolved. It simply makes more financial sense to contract that work out...
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So...they are going to contract that work out to someone who pays less than minimum wage?
 
VanceMack said:
No...they arent. I think you miss the point...probably deliberately so. In fact I listed SEVERAL professions that are much higher than minimum wage jobs. But in the last several years we have seen that move to autmation in the minimum wage/minimum skills arena. It is more profitable for businesses to invest in autmation that to pay the increased wages, assume unemployment insurance costs, carry the healthcare burden of the country, etc.
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LMAO... What is the business model of Dunkin Donuts? Who owns Dunkin Donuts?
 
NatMorton said:
What happens to that calculus when the people get more ”pricey?”
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Corporations have many dodges- bought any cereal lately???

Since the cost of living increases no matter the wage paid, the calculus needs to deal with wage increases. Look at all the NOW HIRING signs. If a business closes because they can't find people willing to work for 7.25/hr does the 'calculus' stand the light of day??? :unsure:

You keep ignoring the present for some vague future... :cautious:

Have you any clue about the cost of mechanization??? The list is long and sad when it comes to VPs deciding on some grandiose project to 'streamline/reduce costs/ make response faster' only to get buried in massive cost over runs. (ask me how I know, it's an amazing look into corporate ignorance and buddy contracts)

But pretend business is run at some kindergarten level of ecomonics... ✌️
 
Big Steve said:
Well, rest rooms and offices aren't going to clean themselves.

As an employer, my primary job is not to ensure that people earn a living wage. My primary job is to ensure that my companies remain profitable. After all, if they're not, it won't be long before I have to worry about employees at all...
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If you need poverty workers to "remain profitable", then your business model sux big Steve.

You are in the wrong line of work, and shouldn't be employing others so Big Gummint can pay them for you.

IMO (y)
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Thats very true, Jesus repeatedly extolled the virtues of turning a buck. Especially if you can squeeze another shekel out of a person thats already poor.

seriously, thats what Jesus said:

"Blessed are the profiteers and changers of money, for they are thy true Job Creators, amen."
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Jesus had the almighty power to give everyone in the world a yacht, a ferrari and a beachfront mansion with a swimming pool full of the Chateau Lafitte and a nacho cheese fountain in the lobby but he chose not to.

Instead he was like “the poor you will always have with you”. He could have made them all rich but he needed them as props so adopted policies to keep them poor.

Hmm, maybe he was a Democrat.:unsure:
 
NatMorton said:
Someone who makes as many grammatical and spelling mistakes as you do ought not be calling into question the intelligence of others.

Back to the point, what corporations and other businesses want is exactly the same thing you want when you go to purpose a good or service: value for money.
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Correct. And what any worker wants is value for their time and effort.
 
KevinKohler said:
So...they are going to contract that work out to someone who pays less than minimum wage?
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No, but because the outsource service provider likely can do the work more efficiently his company will likely get the same, or better, janitorial services for less than what an in-house staff at $13/hour will cost.

You folks really need to think these things through more carefully.
 
VanceMack said:
No...they arent. I think you miss the point...probably deliberately so. In fact I listed SEVERAL professions that are much higher than minimum wage jobs. But in the last several years we have seen that move to autmation in the minimum wage/minimum skills arena. It is more profitable for businesses to invest in autmation that to pay the increased wages, assume unemployment insurance costs, carry the healthcare burden of the country, etc.
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And that remains true even if companies were allowed to own slaves.
 
KevinKohler said:
And that remains true even if companies were allowed to own slaves.
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If that is some twisted wet dream or fantasy of yours, keep it to yourself.
 
NatMorton said:
A tip: your mind reading skills aren’t all that good, so don’t give up your day job. Employment and wage levels are a two-way street. Both the employer and the employee need to agree.

As to your second point, I will say that a few minutes ago a plane took off from Boston’s Logan airport. By your logic, we should conclude that since the plane successfully achieved altitude that gravity had no effect. That is, of course, nonsense, just as is an assertion that raising the price of labor does not create a downward pressure on jobs because there are still people who are employed.
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The government has had nothing to do with the 2$ increase in pay we experienced during the past year. Uncle same didn't tell walmart to hire cart pushers at 17$ per hour. Didn't tell amazon 18$ per hour. Didn't tell McDonalds 15-18 per hour. Didn't tell Home Depot 17 per hour, etc. Major companies all across the US have increased their internal minimum starting rates, by an average of 2$ per hour.

This tells me, those jobs were worth that all along, but companies simply weren't paying it.

Do you agree with this assessment?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Except the deaths from Covid-19 are far more than say 9/11 and the conservatives who insisted we needed a Patriot Act for 9/11, they seem to be very flip towards the massive Covid-19 death toll. Are you being flip towards this massive death toll? Over 600,000 deaths means natural immunity has failed to deal with this virus.
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Could they were given notice because it is going to happen in FL. Contracting out non-core functions of a business is nothing new and usually a smart business decision.
 
NatMorton said:
No, but because the outsource service provider likely can do the work more efficiently his company will likely get the same, or better, janitorial services for less than what an in-house staff at $13/hour will cost.
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That makes no logical sense.

You are just simply ASSuming that a janitor that was subcontracted is somehow "likely" going to be "more efficient", therefore the service will actually improve and all while spending less money.

LOL.

-smh-
 
notquiteright said:
Corporations have many dodges- bought any cereal lately???

Since the cost of living increases no matter the wage paid, the calculus needs to deal with wage increases. Look at all the NOW HIRING signs. If a business closes because they can't find people willing to work for 7.25/hr does the 'calculus' stand the light of day??? :unsure:

You keep ignoring the present for some vague future... :cautious:

Have you any clue about the cost of mechanization??? The list is long and sad when it comes to VPs deciding on some grandiose project to 'streamline/reduce costs/ make response faster' only to get buried in massive cost over runs. (ask me how I know, it's an amazing look into corporate ignorance and buddy contracts)

But pretend business is run at some kindergarten level of ecomonics... ✌️
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Dunkin Donuts is a pretty funny example of this kind of ignorance.... Dunkin Donuts was swallowed by Inspire Brands in December of last year.. The legacy Dunkin Donuts corporate positions are all moving from Massachusetts to Georgia...

www.thelayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs - TheLayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs: Downsizing related discussion, postings, questions and answers.
www.thelayoff.com www.thelayoff.com
 
VanceMack said:
en.wikipedia.org

Inspire Brands - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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And what is happening at the old Dunkin Donuts corporate HQ in Canton?

Inspire Brands Completes Acquisition of Dunkin’ Brands - Inspire Brands

Becomes second-largest restaurant company in the U.S. by system sales and locations Inspire now encompasses: $26 billion in system sales; nearly 32,000 restaurants in 60+ countries; 600,000+ company and franchise team members; 3,200+ franchisees ATLANTA– December 15, 2020 – Inspire Brands, Inc...
inspirebrands.com

www.thelayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs - TheLayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs: Downsizing related discussion, postings, questions and answers.
www.thelayoff.com www.thelayoff.com
 
VanceMack said:
Actually...I do. Most of the Holiday workforce is temporary. Most jobs at places like convenience stores are filled by people that are working a second job. Corporations DO want a stable work force...in middle to upper income, skilled jobs. The minimum wage workforce has ALWAYS been transient. As for wether or not a 7.25 an hour job is a fair wage (and I dont k ow how many businesses yous ee today actually hiring at 7.25 an hour), well...that depends on whether or not you have some other scumbag offering them free money and handouts to not work.
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Actually you don't. While some are working holiday seasons for a little extra cash, more and more are signing on hoping they will be one of the few kept on after January. The number of people you think benefit from the few months of extra cash is a nit compared to the overall staff... :cautious:

No, Major Corporations want permanent workers at entry level because more and more tasks are put on the sales floor staff. Long gone are the days where 'unskilled' teams do one task and one task only. More and more entry level stockers do everything from birth to burial for their assigned aisles. What used to be the job for supervisors is now being done by the high school grad and a hand held computer... :unsure:

The 'scumbag' handing out free money- your MAGA Big Lie is showing... :rolleyes:

Our state stopped the federal program early claiming it would boost businesses by 'encouraging' workers back into the low wage jobs. It hasn't. The vast majority of businesses- from fast food to major tire shops have worker shortages. So free money isn't the problem... ✌️
 
NatMorton said:
No, but because the outsource service provider likely can do the work more efficiently his company will likely get the same, or better, janitorial services for less than what an in-house staff at $13/hour will cost.

You folks really need to think these things through more carefully.
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That's code for, the company being outsource to has harder workers than he does. If an increase to operating costs is a factor in his dept, and according to him, it is THE factor...and that work will now be farmed out, it's due to 2 possible things. The person getting the contract pays their people significantly less, or, that person's people are significantly more efficient/harder working.
 
BlueTex said:
Dunkin Donuts is a pretty funny example of this kind of ignorance.... Dunkin Donuts was swallowed by Inspire Brands in December of last year.. The legacy Dunkin Donuts corporate positions are all moving from Massachusetts to Georgia...

www.thelayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs - TheLayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs: Downsizing related discussion, postings, questions and answers.
www.thelayoff.com www.thelayoff.com
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The beatings will continue until morale improves... :cautious:

Yes never let facts get in the way of MAGA rants and whines... ✌️
 
NatMorton said:
And if they’re not happy with their wage, they can do something in by about it.
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Right. Like not accepting the job. Except, all of those jobs pay similar amounts. So they didn't accept any of those jobs. Those employers got desperate, and increased the rates for those jobs.
 
BlueTex said:
And what is happening at the old Dunkin Donuts corporate HQ in Canton?

Inspire Brands Completes Acquisition of Dunkin’ Brands - Inspire Brands

Becomes second-largest restaurant company in the U.S. by system sales and locations Inspire now encompasses: $26 billion in system sales; nearly 32,000 restaurants in 60+ countries; 600,000+ company and franchise team members; 3,200+ franchisees ATLANTA– December 15, 2020 – Inspire Brands, Inc...
inspirebrands.com

www.thelayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs - TheLayoff.com

Dunkin Layoffs: Downsizing related discussion, postings, questions and answers.
www.thelayoff.com www.thelayoff.com
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Cutting away fat, every major company does this from time to time.

More evidence of the importance of their front line workers...they never experience lay offs, lol.
 
KevinKohler said:
Cutting away fat, every major company does this from time to time.

More evidence of the importance of their front line workers...they never experience lay offs, lol.
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Dunkin Donuts was purchased in Dec 2020 by Inspire Brands. Since then, there have been waves of layoffs at Dunkin Donuts old corporate HQ in Canton, MA. Inspire Brands has their HQ in Sandy Springs, GA. Acquisitions like this don't make sense if you don't consolidate the acquired staff into the acquiring firms staff and use a shared services model. Shared services, by their very nature, require less professional staff. This has nothing to do with "cutting away fat".
 
KevinKohler said:
So...they are going to contract that work out to someone who pays less than minimum wage?
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I have no idea. That's not my concern. That's the concern of the company contracted to do the work.

I have six people in my custodial department. At $13 an hour, it costs me $624 a day to have them employed. That's $3,120 a week, and $12,480 a month. If there's a company which vows to give me the same level of service for $6,000 or $7,000 a month, why wouldn't I do that?
 
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