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Where Jacking-up the Minimum Wage Leads ...

Its your argument that is stupid. The point was not whether or not there should be minimum wage laws...but rather that the idiot leftist push to turn minimum wage jobs into careers and a 'livable wage' are absolutely having the predicted outcome...that those minimum wage jobs are being eliminated. Add into the mix all the other agenda items the left is eager to push on employers and it can be no shock that employers will respond. As a result...a chain that has been around for 71 years providing part time employment mostly for high school kids and people woring a second job to pay off a few bills is now in the process of eliminating those jobs...because a lot of people on the left are stupid enough to believe that working a counter at Dunkin Donuts is career worthy.
It goes deeper than this in many respects. When you’re the party of government, having more voters financially dependent on government is a good thing because at the end of the day, a dependent voter is a loyal voter.
 
Of course, you can demonstrate this by comparing unemployment rates with minimum wage increases for, say, the past 75 years, right? We have almost a century of empirical data to draw upon.

Actually, you can't. There is no correlation between MW increases and unemployment among MW earners. Never has been, never will be.

This is just a stupid scare tactic used by those who believe some other people deserve to live in poverty.
Well, I can believe one of the bedrock principles of economics (the effect of price on demand) or I can believe you. Guess which I’m going to choose?
 
It goes deeper than this in many respects. When you’re the party of government, having more voters financially dependent on government is a good thing because at the end of the day, a dependent voter is a loyal voter.

Do you honestly believe the stupid argument that Dunkin Donuts is going all in on a digital first strategy is because of the price of labor for an order clerk? LMAO...
 
My point still stands, even if I’m a hermit.
No your point falls flat. Long before the Rabid Right declared an end to glorious capitalism if the min wage was raised, major corporations were replacing workers with machines. You must not shop so-called big box retail as more and more major retailers/grocery stores in the last few years... :unsure:

Spin and deflect all you want but the fact is not paying above min wage is hurting the economic bounce back. Jobs are being left unfilled even after the ignorant cancelling by state level MAGA politicians of federal unemployment benefits. The bayonet didn't push workers back into low pay dead end jobs and now the owners are whining... :rolleyes:

Business owners and corporate big shots can be tone deaf and petty- remember the founder of Pappa John's having a pissy meltdown over the ACA and wanting to add a nickel surcharge to each pizza as a healthcare charge??? :cautious:

But businesses have two choices- pay people more or invest in quite pricey machines. Not sure how cost effective machines are- they are never cheap and need constant adjustment and maintenance which has a nice price tag- ask anyone who pays a company for office equipment maintenance or their 'enterprise' IT system'... ✌️
 
For those that would like some insight into why Dunkin Donuts is REALLY taking on this strategy, here is a great article about WHY.
Great article. I hadn't thought about what the change in commuting patterns might mean to coffee take-out shops but it makes sense. Certainly, with traffic patterns changing staffing likey becomes more of a challenge too. Not with kiosks and mobile apps though...always fully staffed!
 
Great article. I hadn't thought about what the change in commuting patterns might mean to coffee take-out shops but it makes sense. Certainly, with traffic patterns changing staffing likey becomes more of a challenge too. Not with kiosks and mobile apps though...always fully staffed!

It's about customer loyalty and cost of promotion... These apps are built in marketing and loyalty for the brand....
 
... when the cost of labor begins to outpace the economic value that of labor, labor substitution can become economically viable:


My custodial department has been put on notice that when Florida' minimum wage hits $13 an hour, the department will be dissolved. It simply makes more financial sense to contract that work out...
 
Its your argument that is stupid. The point was not whether or not there should be minimum wage laws...but rather that the idiot leftist push to turn minimum wage jobs into careers and a 'livable wage' are absolutely having the predicted outcome...that those minimum wage jobs are being eliminated. Add into the mix all the other agenda items the left is eager to push on employers and it can be no shock that employers will respond. As a result...a chain that has been around for 71 years providing part time employment mostly for high school kids and people woring a second job to pay off a few bills is now in the process of eliminating those jobs...because a lot of people on the left are stupid enough to believe that working a counter at Dunkin Donuts is career worthy.
Do you know many people working a second job to pay a few bills??? Sounds like they are not going to be there long and that hurts many companies because pretending it is so simple a job anyone can hit the ground running is foolish.

Corporations want people to make working at there business/store to be the workers top priority. True some workers are still students but more and more businesses like Walmart and Target are shifting from part time mommies, students, and short term workers to more stable long term workers.

People on the right are stupid enough to believe all those NOW HIRING signs don't exist, and continuing to pay dirt wages is a benefit to workers. Those Help Wanted signs are out there because people, even 'kids' don't see 7.25/hr a fair wage... ✌️
 
Do you honestly believe the stupid argument that Dunkin Donuts is going all in on a digital first strategy is because of the price of labor for an order clerk? LMAO...
Yes, I believe the price of labor is one of the reasons they’re investing in automation. Why don’t you show us how smart you are and explain why they’re doing it?
 
Do you honestly believe the stupid argument that Dunkin Donuts is going all in on a digital first strategy is because of the price of labor for an order clerk? LMAO...
There are several reasons, but its really kind of stupid to scoff at the notion that changing labor laws isnt impacting the movement. At current rate, approx 25% of the fast food labor force is or is in the process of being replaced by automation. Stores are going to reduced service environments, closing dining areas, reducing menus to robotic deliverables...and its going to continue. Its also not just the fast food industry. The trucking industry is facing major changes in the fairly near future. Education is facing an advancement in the use of virtual lecturing and online learning environments. Even the medical industry is changing with online video appointments becoming more normal. Online counseling is likely to become a standard after the pandemic has forced changes in rules. And all of that is driven by the $$$ bottom line.

Of course...the believers in the magical socialist model of employment disagree...and its easy for them to disagree...because the vas majority of them dont have the first ****ing clue what goes into hiring and maintaining a labor force.
 
My custodial department has been put on notice that when Florida' minimum wage hits $13 an hour, the department will be dissolved. It simply makes more financial sense to contract that work out...
What do those jobs matter when there’s a “living wage” to fight for, eh?
 
Yes, I believe the price of labor is one of the reasons they’re investing in automation. Why don’t you show us how smart you are and explain why they’re doing it?


They are doing to increase LOYALTY to the brand... This is not some new concept Dunkin Donuts just discovered in the QSR world.... Are you familiar with the Starbucks digital offerings?
 
God bless capitalism.

Thats very true, Jesus repeatedly extolled the virtues of turning a buck. Especially if you can squeeze another shekel out of a person thats already poor.

seriously, thats what Jesus said:

"Blessed are the profiteers and changers of money, for they are thy true Job Creators, amen."
 
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the job and the skills required for the repetitive tasks.
No. Any repetitive task, can, and eventually will, be automated.
 
Do you know many people working a second job to pay a few bills??? Sounds like they are not going to be there long and that hurts many companies because pretending it is so simple a job anyone can hit the ground running is foolish.

Corporations want people to make working at there business/store to be the workers top priority. True some workers are still students but more and more businesses like Walmart and Target are shifting from part time mommies, students, and short term workers to more stable long term workers.

People on the right are stupid enough to believe all those NOW HIRING signs don't exist, and continuing to pay dirt wages is a benefit to workers. Those Help Wanted signs are out there because people, even 'kids' don't see 7.25/hr a fair wage... ✌️
Actually...I do. Most of the Holiday workforce is temporary. Most jobs at places like convenience stores are filled by people that are working a second job.

Corporations DO want a stable work force...in middle to upper income, skilled jobs. The minimum wage workforce has ALWAYS been transient.

As for wether or not a 7.25 an hour job is a fair wage (and I dont k ow how many businesses yous ee today actually hiring at 7.25 an hour), well...that depends on whether or not you have some other scumbag offering them free money and handouts to not work.
 
There are several reasons, but its really kind of stupid to scoff at the notion that changing labor laws isnt impacting the movement. At current rate, approx 25% of the fast food labor force is or is in the process of being replaced by automation. Stores are going to reduced service environments, closing dining areas, reducing menus to robotic deliverables...and its going to continue. Its also not just the fast food industry. The trucking industry is facing major changes in the fairly near future. Education is facing an advancement in the use of virtual lecturing and online learning environments. Even the medical industry is changing with online video appointments becoming more normal. Online counseling is likely to become a standard after the pandemic has forced changes in rules. And all of that is driven by the $$$ bottom line.

Of course...the believers in the magical socialist model of employment disagree...and its easy for them to disagree...because the vas majority of them dont have the first ****ing clue what goes into hiring and maintaining a labor force.


LMAO... I don't mean to pop your bubble but as someone who has created some pretty large automation projects in companies you would recognize, the jobs being replaced with automation with the largest ROI are NOT $12/hour jobs...
 
Do you know many people working a second job to pay a few bills??? Sounds like they are not going to be there long and that hurts many companies because pretending it is so simple a job anyone can hit the ground running is foolish.

Corporations want people to make working at there business/store to be the workers top priority. True some workers are still students but more and more businesses like Walmart and Target are shifting from part time mommies, students, and short term workers to more stable long term workers.

People on the right are stupid enough to believe all those NOW HIRING signs don't exist, and continuing to pay dirt wages is a benefit to workers. Those Help Wanted signs are out there because people, even 'kids' don't see 7.25/hr a fair wage... ✌️
Someone who makes as many grammatical and spelling mistakes as you do ought not be calling into question the intelligence of others.

Back to the point, what corporations and other businesses want is exactly the same thing you want when you go to purpose a good or service: value for money.
 
That was a rhetorical question.
And yet, you seem to want it that way for employers, but not employees. Kinda strange, don't you think?

Also, there are plenty of businesses paying those higher wages now, and not going under. Which means those jobs held that value all along. Employers NEVER paid what a job was worth...they paid the absolute minimum they could and still retain their workers.
 
It goes deeper than this in many respects. When you’re the party of government, having more voters financially dependent on government is a good thing because at the end of the day, a dependent voter is a loyal voter.
Paying people more means they are more dependent on the government? That's kinda wild. Explain.
 
LMAO... I don't mean to pop your bubble but as someone who has created some pretty large automation projects in companies you would recognize, the jobs being replaced with automation with the largest ROI are NOT $12/hour jobs...
No...they arent. I think you miss the point...probably deliberately so. In fact I listed SEVERAL professions that are much higher than minimum wage jobs. But in the last several years we have seen that move to autmation in the minimum wage/minimum skills arena. It is more profitable for businesses to invest in autmation that to pay the increased wages, assume unemployment insurance costs, carry the healthcare burden of the country, etc.
 
Well, I can believe one of the bedrock principles of economics (the effect of price on demand) or I can believe you. Guess which I’m going to choose?
You can believe that for product...but not for labor? Very strange.

You see, wages are going UP because their is demand, but little to no supply.
 
What do those jobs matter when there’s a “living wage” to fight for, eh?

Well, rest rooms and offices aren't going to clean themselves.

As an employer, my primary job is not to ensure that people earn a living wage. My primary job is to ensure that my companies remain profitable. After all, if they're not, it won't be long before I have to worry about employees at all...
 
And yet, you seem to want it that way for employers, but not employees. Kinda strange, don't you think?

Also, there are plenty of businesses paying those higher wages now, and not going under. Which means those jobs held that value all along. Employers NEVER paid what a job was worth...they paid the absolute minimum they could and still retain their workers.
A tip: your mind reading skills aren’t all that good, so don’t give up your day job. Employment and wage levels are a two-way street. Both the employer and the employee need to agree.

As to your second point, I will say that a few minutes ago a plane took off from Boston’s Logan airport. By your logic, we should conclude that since the plane successfully achieved altitude that gravity had no effect. That is, of course, nonsense, just as is an assertion that raising the price of labor does not create a downward pressure on jobs because there are still people who are employed.
 
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