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Whenever something truly devastating to Democrats comes to light, the dying news media will immediately call it “Russian disinformation

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It is indeed a reliable pattern.

This is unarguably true. And not just the media, but from the never Trumper's here at DP.

They have predictable tactics relative to the denials they provide. They go from shooting the messenger, to casting shade on the source, to of course shouting Russian disinformation among other things.

The funny part is they are so tone deaf they don't recognize everyone is pointing and laughing at them when they blather on like that.

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"There’s a reliable pattern: Whenever something truly devastating to Democrats comes to light, the dying news media will immediately call it “Russian disinformation,” even when the goods are 1,000 percent real; the latest being newly declassified documents this week with yet more evidence indicating that Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign planned to smear Trump by connecting him to Russia — the basis of the completely fabricated Russia-Trump collusion hoax that ultimately framed President Trump and his associates with crimes they didn’t commit."

Everything Damaging To Dems Is 'Russian Disinformation' To The Media

Whenever something truly devastating to Democrats comes to light, the dying news media will immediately call it 'Russian disinformation.'
thefederalist.com
 
The pattern is set in concrete, and what cracks me up is the "amnesia" of absolute forgetfulness of just a year or two ago.....like "poof" it's gone and they're on to the latest, greatest narrative, lol.
 

Lol they didn't have to smear anything - Donald Trump's own 2016 campaign staff connected him to Russia.

You can try to gaslight yourselves that there was some hoax that framed Trump's associates with crimes they didn't commit but here in the real world we are aware they pled guilty to those crimes under Trump's DOJ.

@VySky - Just keep listening to the other dying news media that immediately tells you it's all a hoax.
 

I suspect you're beating a dead horse.

Everyone knows Russia interfered in the election to elect Trump and that Trump campaign operatives met with them.
 
It all started with Hillary Clinton...every sling and arrow aimed at Bill Clinton was a "vast right wing conspiracy" then it was..."basket of deplorable right wing"and and finally "Russian misinformation and disinformation conspiracies". Sadly too many willfully ignorant democrats eat it up and believe everything she says
 

Ok Vy, let's see.

What assessment was changed to create the 2017 ICA?

Why didn't trump call the NG during the riot?

Maybe you can answer without "predictable tactics relative to the denials they provide. They go from shooting the messenger, to casting shade on the source, to of course shouting Russian disinformation among other things."
So now you can show how superior you are by answering the questions.
 
Thread 'Clapper- That's our Story and we're Sticking to It!'
https://debatepolitics.com/threads/clapper-thats-our-story-and-were-sticking-to-it.575581/
 
You need to back up the bus

Why did Clapper press so hard? What was the urgency? Why did he refuse to address the concerns brought to him from his experts?
 
VySky said:
You need to back up the bus

Why did Clapper press so hard? What was the urgency? Why did he refuse to address the concerns brought to him from his experts?
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If he refused to address the concerns brought to him from his experts, how did they come to an agreement? If you're talking about the Pateldocs, look at the dates. They're talking about meeting a deadline or not and two weeks later all three agencies were at high confidence because they talked each other for two weeks and saw a ton of repetitive and corroborated evidence.

According to testimony to the Senate Intelligence committee, they argued about this and its inferred there was yelling. But there was voluminous convincing evidence that is later described in two subsequent investigation reports where it's shown they were absolutely correct.

How do you know what they said in person at a table without the emails? That's when we realize 3500 Russian troll farm memes were posted on FBook.

After that, two investigations spent almost three years to answer the questions and they did.

You didn't answer what conclusion, finding, or assessment was changed in the 2017 ICA. Gabby said they had a new report, what assessment changed?

Why didn't trump call the NG during the riot? Or why didn't trump tweet that the supporters should vacate the Capitol? He tweeted about Pence during the riot but he never told them to leave the Capitol. Why didn't he act to stop the riot?
 
soap box said:
f he refused to address the concerns brought to him from his experts, how did they come to an agreement?
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They didn't. That's the point of contention Rogers addressed.
soap box said:
hey're talking about meeting a deadline or not and two weeks later all three agencies were at high confidence
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How did he have high confidence in what he knew was a flawed, bought and paid for Steele dossier (that he included) with additional information Rogers and his team could not vet or stand behind?
soap box said:
Why didn't trump call the NG during the riot?
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That's not important to me
soap box said:
Or why didn't trump tweet that the supporters should vacate the Capitol?
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Same as above
soap box said:
Why didn't he act to stop the riot?
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Don't know, don't care

I'm just happy Nancy Pelosi took 'responsibility' for the failure of security
 
VySky said:
They didn't. That's the point of contention Rogers addressed.
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Yes he did. Look at the Pateldocs. Look at the dates. He contended on Dec 19 and saw additional evidence. The NSA determined they had moderate confidence of the assessment that Putin wanted trump to win. All three agencies had high confidence in all other assessments in the 2017 ICA. Why would your assertions suggest that they couldn't agree when Mueller and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee verified that they were absolutely proven correct?


VySky said:
How did he have high confidence in what he knew was a flawed, bought and paid for Steele dossier (that he included) with additional information Rogers and his team could not vet or stand behind?
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Nobody thought the Dossier had any true information after September. When they were arguing at the December 9 meeting, nobody claimed anything about the Dossier. What conclusion or assessment in any report uses the Dossier as a source? What claim in the dossier show up in the ICA?


VySky said:
That's not important to me

Same as above

Don't know, don't care

I'm just happy Nancy Pelosi took 'responsibility' for the failure of security
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This is your deflection to avoid the answer, which includes blaming Pelosi. This is your evasive answer that uses apathy as a pretense. This is what you wrote in the OP. No trump supporter can answer why he refused to tweet that the rioters should vacate the Capitol.

Let's look at the accusations in the OP. Let's see how you divert and obscure with pitiful excuses just like you accused others of doing.

You didn't answer what conclusion, finding, or assessment was changed in the 2017 ICA. Gabby said they had a new report, what assessment changed?

Why didn't trump call the NG during the riot? Or why didn't trump tweet that the supporters should vacate the Capitol? He tweeted about Pence during the riot but he never told them to leave the Capitol. Why didn't he act to stop the riot?
 
soap box said:
No trump supporter can answer why he refused to tweet that the rioters should vacate the Capitol.
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How do you expect anyone to know that answer other than Trump?
 

I tend to suspect that Trump himself isn't personally involved with Russia - he's obviously far more entrapped with Israel. Perhaps Mossad & Epstein caught him diddling little girls on tape or maybe he just has an affinity for genocidal states, who knows! Both would be a stellar commentary on his moral character.

The Russia stuff is real in the right wing though and we see this in events like the Tenant Media scandal where a ton of these right wing influencers were implicated in taking millions of dollars from the Russian state. You've also got figures like Candace Owens running these weird disinformation hit pieces about Macron's wife not only being a transsexual... but also his dad lmao. This kind of absurd shit makes total sense when you realize that France and Russia are arch-enemies competing for dominance in Frances old African colonies. There are geopolitical reasons for all of this.

So while I think the Trump-Russia stuff tends to distract from the far more pernicious element in the GOP of Zionism, it's also true that there's tons of objective evidence for Russian influence in right wing circles. For a political movement that is "America First", it's kind of ironic that it's driven almost entirely by dual citizens and foreigners!
 
VySky said:
How do you expect anyone to know that answer other than Trump?
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The Eastman plan, the false statements, his tweets, I read the reports. Are you aware Ivanka was begging him to stop the riot? He repeatly refused. It's not a question of what he said, it's what he did.

We also know because Giuliani explained the need for a delay.

0:33 "The only strategy we could follow...."
 


Holy projection Batman! Great that you and others have joined Donnie Boy on his trip back in time for past grievances as a way to dupe the easily distracted. Good job being a compliant mark.
 
So you don’t know the answer either. But it’s fun to speculate and ask others to do the same.
 
VySky said:
So you don’t know the answer either. But it’s fun to speculate and ask others to do the same.
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LOL
The answer is clear that he believed the swing States would call a special session to have the EC delegation switched to him. That's what Guliani said in that tape.

That's why Giuliani said it would require days. That's also what Giuliani said on that tape.
 
VySky said:
How do you expect anyone to know that answer other than Trump?
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Even if you think Pelosi caused the riot, you still can't answer why trump didn't stop it.

If Pelosi started the riot, wouldn't that be a great reason for Trump to stop what she (conspiracy theory wise) did.
 
soap box said:
Even if you think Pelosi caused the riot, you still can't answer why trump didn't stop it.
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I’ve answered. You just don’t like the answer.

Plus it was 5 years ago. Move on already
 
VySky said:
I’ve answered. You just don’t like the answer.

Plus it was 5 years ago. Move on already
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You are unable to answer the question, so you reply with an excuse, a pretense of apathy, and the curious suggestion that we should move on when we're talking about the man who is now president.

You didn't answer. You blurted by saying you don't know what he was thinking. If he hadn't wanted the riot he would have let the rioters know, and he would have directed them to vacate the building. He refused Ivanka, McCarthy, He didn't stop the riot because he wanted it to go on. Otherwise he would've stopped it.

Even if you imagine that Pelosi caused the riot, you can't admit why he didn't stop it.

If we pretend that Pelosi caused the riot, that would be more important to him to make sure he ruined what she did. But he didn't stop the riot because he caused it and he wanted it to continue.

Why don't you ask me a question. Make it hard and as uncomfortable as you can make it.

Your OP is about you.
 
VySky said:
I’ve answered. You just don’t like the answer.

Plus it was 5 years ago. Move on already
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The looney left will NEVER let J6 go. Their entire agenda centers around Donald Trump. They celebrate the indictments and kangaroo courts that decided one forgotten misdemeanor was turned into 34 felonies. J6 and Trump is all they talk about.
 
GR! said:
The looney left will NEVER let J6 go. Their entire agenda centers around Donald Trump. They celebrate the indictments and kangaroo courts that decided one forgotten misdemeanor was turned into 34 felonies. J6 and Trump is all they talk about.
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Why didn't trump tweet that the supporters should vacate the Capitol?
 
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