WHEN will People GET IT?

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The words streamed across the TV in my office, and all work around me stopped as the officers took a moment to watch the latest even in the continuous assimilation of the world by the Muslim Extremist BORG that have risen up and beseiged the world!

The realization, the PROOF, that the Muslim Extremists, who have not bothered to hide but has instead PROFESSED its desire to conquer the world and PROMISED to destroy Israel and the United States, took another major step in fulfilling their promise and attaining their goal!

FOXNews.com - Anti-Syrian Christian Leader Pierre Gemayel Assassinated in Lebanon - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
Anti-Syrian Christian Leader Pierre Gemayel Assassinated in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Prominent anti-Syrian Christian politician Pierre Gemayel was assassinated in a suburb of Beirut on Tuesday, his party's radio station and Lebanon's official news agency reported.

His fatal shooting will certainly heighten the political tension in Lebanon, where the leading Muslim Shiite party Hezbollah has threatened to topple the government if it does not get a bigger say in Cabinet decision making.
The witnesses said a car rammed his car from behind and then an assassin stepped out and shot him at point blank range.

Gemayel, the minister of industry and son of former President Amin Gemayel, was a member of the Phalange party and supporter of the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority, which is locked in a power struggle with pro-Syrian factions led by Hezbollah.

Gemayel is the third prominent figure in Lebanese politics to be assassinated in the past two years. Former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was killed in a massive car bombing in February 2005 and lawmaker and newspaper manager Gibran Tueni was killed in a car bombing in December.

Remember Former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri ? Probably not, but the Lebanese do! They revolted and rose up against Syria's occupation of Lebanon. Syria had besieged Lebanon, and Hariri was one of the home-grown Lebonese who fought against Syrian enslavement and stood up for Lebionese independence, & Syria carried out the assassination of Hariri with as little thought as you would give at swatting a fly, underestimating the emotion and backlash that would follow. Lebanon forced the main Sysrian leaders pulling their puppet strings and Syrian's military out of Lebanon. They cried out to the U.N., to Koffi Annan for help from the U.N., but the U.N. $CREWED them - sold them off to the Syrians, who simply turned to 'Enslaving Lebanon Plan B' through Hezbollah!

MILLIONS of dollars went to Hezbollah. Iranians trained Hezbolla. Syrian and Iranian militarymembers filled their ranks. Hezbollah eventually became more powerful that Lebanon's own military!

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Explosion kills former Lebanon PM
Former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri has been killed in an apparent assassination in west Beirut.

They also called for the government's resignation, for Syrian troops to withdraw from the country before the May elections and for a three-day strike.

Resistance remained, though. A desire for independence and Democracy remained, though! Gemayel was a voice of that resistance, of that desire for DEMOCRACY. Syria and Iran made a bold declaration, one they are NOT hiding anymore, by assassinating ANOTHER threat to them, another voice for tolerance and Democracy. that message is that they (Syria and Iran) will brook NO oppositon from anyone, that they will NEVER be tolerant and allow Democracy in the Middle east, and that their goal is still to conquer the world and enslave it just as they have Lebanon!

So, what is the U.N.'s response to the LATEST blatant attack upon the world by Muslim Extremists led by Syria and Iran?

Criminal Koffi has EMBRACED Iran and Syrian 'intervention', their offer to 'help'!

United States 'trapped' in Iraq: Annan - Yahoo! News
United States 'trapped' in Iraq: Annan
Annan also welcomed Syria's decision on Tuesday to resume diplomatic ties with Iraq after a 26-year break, and said other regional neighbours such as

Iran should be part of the solution. :shock:

Both countries "have a positive role to play", he said.

The UN secretary general noted that Iraq's neighbours could use their the influence in both benign and malign ways, but stressed that a peaceful solution was in their best interests.

"An Iraq at peace is in the interest of all countries in the region, including Iran and Syria. So I urge them to help pacify Iraq," he said.

'Iran should be part of the solution?' This reminds me of how Hezbollah fighters were (figuratively) on the TV in the background of a Koffi Annan interview during the latest middle east Conflict -- while koffi was refusing to call Hexbolla a terrorist group and saying Iran and Syria had nothing to do with Hezbollah, Hezbollah terrorists were bragging how Iran funded them millions a year, how they were trained in Iran, how they were supported by Syria and Iran, and how Syrian and Iranian troops filled their ranks! :doh
Whether Koffi knows it or not, IRAN AND SYRIA IS A PART OF WHAT IS GOING ON! Our troops are facing Iranians in both Afghanistan and Iraq! IEDs are made in Iraq and brought across the border. Our Spec Ops guys reported Iranian Spec ops guys in Iraq in the days before the war. We have even recently caught/killed Iranian soldiers in Iraq - IRAN & SYRIA ARE in large part THE REASON Iraq is in turmoil and why there is so much violence in country!

Iran and Syria could use their influence in Iraq?
- IEDs, Insurgents, etc -- like what is going on now?
- Through assassinations (already being done in Iraq) like in Lebanon?
- Koffi urges Iran and Syria to 'pacify' Iraq, which basically means enslave Iraq like Lebann and end the violence, no matter what it takes. Koffi believes that surrendering Iraq to Iran and syria - Iraq being enslaved and run by Iran would be better that fighting for Iraq's Democracy! If we just surrender Iraq to Iran, at least there will be 'peace'!

Iran and Syria holding a conference on how to solve Iraq's violence problem is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer for tips on how to stop the child molesting/murder in his neighborhood! Iran and Syria are the SOURCE!

 

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Iran and Syria holding a conference on how to solve Iraq's violence problem is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer for tips on how to stop the child molesting/murder in his neighborhood! Iran and Syria are the SOURCE!

Four key Iraqi lawmakers say Iran has invited Iraqi and Syrian presidents to Tehran for weekend summit with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on curbing Iraqi violence. confused

Earlier today, Assassins killed a popular TV comedian and a college professor but failed in attempts to kill two Iraqi government officials as the country's leader met with Syria's foreign minister about improving security and reopening diplomatic relations.
(Sound Familiar? Hariri...Gemayel! On the day of a key meeting with Syrian Reps, attempts are made on host-nation leaders who are voices for their nation's Democracy! Intimidation to those undecided, not strong, elimination for those who are strong and refuse to cave!)

In all, 21 Iraqis were killed in a series of attacks in Baghdad, Ramadi, Baqouba and near the Syrian border, and the bodies of 26 Iraqis who had been kidnapped and tortured were found on the streets of the capital; in Dujail, north of Baghdad; and in the Tigris River in southern Iraq, police said.

The attacks raised the November death total to at least 1,370, well above the 1,216 who died in all of October, which was the deadliest month in Iraq since The Associated Press began tracking the figure in April 2005.

In Baghdad, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki met privately with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem on Monday during the second and final day of Moallem's visit to Iraq.

Afterward, government spokesman Ali Al-Dabagh told reporters the meeting was successful. :shock:

"There is a very strong Syrian desire to develop relations between the two countries. (Yeah, I'll bet!) Stability and security in Iraq means stability and security in Syria and other countries in the region," Al-Dabagh said. (Syria and Iraq are the SOURCE of the instability - today's assassination is just more evidence!)

"There are tremendous fields of cooperation between the two countries, and they will be started once all security issues and other problems are solved." (When Iran and Syria has enslaved Iraq like they have Lebanon!)

Iran and syria are not hiding their agenda. They have announced it to the world! They want a muslim-ruled world. They are NOT tolerant - convert or die! They intend to destroy Israel and kill the Jews. They intend to destroy the United States. They have not denied they have made these remarks. They have not apologized or recanted their remarks! The only ones who have made excuses for them and have stated that what has been said isn't really what they mean are people either in denial - who it just does NOT register with, who are just plain stupid, or who want to see it happen....like Koffi! Even many of our own politicians do NOT GET IT!

Their answer is to pull out, withdraw within our own borders (that are not even secure), and to bury our heads in the sand! just like on 9/11, the enemy we face is ravenous, they have a plan, they are doing everything they can to see it comes to fruition, they are no longer hiding it (they do not have to becuase their 'victims' are too busy defending them than to realize what is coming and to take action)!

The war onterror was brought to our soil. It has NOT stopped. We face the authors/sponsors (Iran and Syria) of evil TODAY in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They are spreading throughout the Middle East, and iraq is now the prize being 'Lebon-ized'. The Middle East is NOT their final goal - they have told us!

Someone needs to get Koffi out of the U.N. NOW!
People need to realize there is great evei in the world, and it is moving/waging war and murdering innocents/those who seek freedom and Democracy, completely un-checked!

Horrific violence is coming if nothing is done. A war we will not be prepared for and could quite possibly lose is coming if we do not wake up and embrace the reality of what we are facing. Wanting something not to happen, ignoring the reality around us, and holding on to the faith that everyone is deep-down tolerant and peace-loving just like us does not make it so.

How many more Hariris and Gemayel's must die, how many more countries must be enslaved, how many more examples of Iran's and Syria's sincerity in their declaration of their world-wide goal of domination do we need before we actually embrace the reality?

Will it take Iran nuking Israel to get the wake up the rest of the world, or will we - even THEN - blame it on a senseless tradgey committed by individuals/UN-AFFILIATED generic terrorists?!

 

[jfuh]

All the more reason that we should go into Lebanon and help their fledgling democracy. Lebanon is the most likely of all countries in the middle east where democracy is possible.

 

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Will it take Iran nuking Israel to get the wake up the rest of the world, or will we - even THEN - blame it on a senseless tradgey committed by individuals/UN-AFFILIATED generic terrorists?!

Sadly not even that will be enough IMO. Until countries other than the US and Israel realize the evil that is being propogated and spread, we will fight it alone. And people in America are losing the will to fight because the evil is being popularized. Maybe a nuke going off in a US city would wake our citizens up, but 9/11 seems like it almost never happened right now. As though it were an isolated incident. I wonder if its actually going to take armed troops from another country to put boots on the ground in America before people say, WTF is going on??

 

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FUNNY - in their joint meeting with Iran today, Syria 'demanded' a timetable for the U.S. to withdraw its troops. I bet syria would like to know when we will pull our troops out so they and Iran can go in en-masse. :roll:

I say we strap a copy of our projected/estimated pull-out time-table, along with a letter from Bush to the Syrian President requesting that he and the Iranian President pull their troops and terrorists out of Iraq at the same time, to a 500lb bomb and drop it on the Captal in Damascus!

 

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Bolton: Syria Linked to Lebanon Killing

U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said Tuesday the assassination of a Lebanese Cabinet minister and vocal critic of Syria showed the need for quick agreement on creation of an international court for Lebanon. Bolton also hinted at Syrian involvement in the killing of Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel by gunmen who opened fire on his convoy near Beirut.


He pointed to a string of recent assassinations of anti-Syrian political figures in Lebanon following the February 2005 murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri after Hariri spoke out against Syria's domination of Lebanon.

"I think the facts need to be developed, but if you look at . . . the evidence that links the Hariri assassination to the other political assassinations, I think people can draw their own conclusions," he said.

Bolton strongly disagreed when asked by a reporter whether council approval of the tribunal plan might feed instability in Lebanon, as some council members had argued.

"How incredibly wrong that would be," he said. "Instability? They are killing people in Lebanon, they are assassinating political leaders.""Not the time to seek justice? There may be those on the Security Council who say it. Let them step forward and say it."

Gemayel's assassination coincided with the U.N. Security Council's consideration of the plan for an international tribunal to try suspects in the murder of Hariri and the other recent assassinations, which U.N. investigators believe are related to Hariri's death. The assassination is suspected to be punishment for Gemayel being among the members of the Lebanese Cabinet to have voted last week to approving the U.N. plan for the tribunal.

Emile Lahoud, the pro-Syrian President/puppetimmediately protested.

It seems Syria wanted to make a statement about what will happen to those who do not fall in line with Syria and Iran! Itis clear Syria was not happy about Gemayel (and others) voting to approve the U.N.'s plan for this special tribunal to punish the assassins who killed Hariri! Now the U.N. can add Gemayle's assassination to the list of crimes for which Syria must answer in this tribunal.

Forgive me, though, if I do NOT hold my breath waiting for the U.N. to do ANYTHING to help Lebanon or to punish Iran, Syria, or any terrorists for their crimes! So far the U.N. has been a supporter of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and terrorists in general! After all, it is the U.N.'s failure to act and to act with decisiveness that sealed Lebanon's fate to that of being the Syrian (& Hezbollah) puppet-state that it is today! If they do ANYTHING now, it will be a 'day late and a dollar short'.(....but starting ANTWHERE has got to be better than nothing!)

 

[G-Man]

Bolton: Syria Linked to Lebanon Killing



Gemayel's assassination coincided with the U.N. Security Council's consideration of the plan for an international tribunal to try suspects in the murder of Hariri and the other recent assassinations, which U.N. investigators believe are related to Hariri's death. The assassination is suspected to be punishment for Gemayel being among the members of the Lebanese Cabinet to have voted last week to approving the U.N. plan for the tribunal.

Emile Lahoud, the pro-Syrian President/puppetimmediately protested.

It seems Syria wanted to make a statement about what will happen to those who do not fall in line with Syria and Iran! Itis clear Syria was not happy about Gemayel (and others) voting to approve the U.N.'s plan for this special tribunal to punish the assassins who killed Hariri! Now the U.N. can add Gemayle's assassination to the list of crimes for which Syria must answer in this tribunal.

Forgive me, though, if I do NOT hold my breath waiting for the U.N. to do ANYTHING to help Lebanon or to punish Iran, Syria, or any terrorists for their crimes! So far the U.N. has been a supporter of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and terrorists in general! After all, it is the U.N.'s failure to act and to act with decisiveness that sealed Lebanon's fate to that of being the Syrian (& Hezbollah) puppet-state that it is today! If they do ANYTHING now, it will be a 'day late and a dollar short'.(....but starting ANTWHERE has got to be better than nothing!)

And you can say all this with exactly ZERO proof that Syria was behind this assination :roll: It could have been anyone, bit soon to be jumping the gun.
And as for Bolton asking for an International Court for Lebanon thats a bit of a joke. If we in the US will not accept an international court to judge over us its major hypocritical to try and set one up for others.

I'd agree with you about the UN, its a waste of time. World Bodies set up to create international co-operation should not have any members which possess veto's. Whatever happened to Democracy?

 

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And you can say all this with exactly ZERO proof that Syria was behind this assination :roll: It could have been anyone, bit soon to be jumping the gun.
And as for Bolton asking for an International Court for Lebanon thats a bit of a joke. If we in the US will not accept an international court to judge over us its major hypocritical to try and set one up for others.

I'd agree with you about the UN, its a waste of time. World Bodies set up to create international co-operation should not have any members which possess veto's. Whatever happened to Democracy?

Yes, I feel 100% confident that it was Syria that carried out the assassination, especially in light that it is now coming out that Gemayel was threatened prior to casting his vote for the tribunal. Add in the MILLIONS of dollars Syria and Iran have put into keeping Lebanon a puppet state, throw in the proven assassinations of Lebonese leaders who have opposed Syrian occupation/influence, and you need look no further than Syria! If your argument that it could have been 'anyone' meant that it could have been Hezbollah, then I say you are talking about the same entity! Hezbollah IS Iran and Syria!

Regarding the tribunal that Lebonese leader Gemayel voted for, to punish those SYRIANS who assassinated Hariri, it is not a BOLTON-Thing. It is a U.N.-thing, it is a LEBANON-thing. It is the request/desire of Lebonese people, like Gemayel and Hariri, who want Syria to be held accountable for what they have done and want Iran and Suria out of their country and their affairs!

 

[G-Man]

Yes, I feel 100% confident that it was Syria that carried out the assassination, especially in light that it is now coming out that Gemayel was threatened prior to casting his vote for the tribunal. Add in the MILLIONS of dollars Syria and Iran have put into keeping Lebanon a puppet state, throw in the proven assassinations of Lebonese leaders who have opposed Syrian occupation/influence, and you need look no further than Syria! If your argument that it could have been 'anyone' meant that it could have been Hezbollah, then I say you are talking about the same entity! Hezbollah IS Iran and Syria!

A 100% assumption in no way justifies any action to be taken against Syria or anyone else. Investigate the killing, find the perpatrators and punish accordingly but making assumptions with no facts is not the way to go.
Why is Lebanon a puppet state? Its one of the best examples of a multi-cultural democratic society in the ME.

Regarding the tribunal that Lebonese leader Gemayel voted for, to punish those SYRIANS who assassinated Hariri, it is not a BOLTON-Thing. It is a U.N.-thing, it is a LEBANON-thing. It is the request/desire of Lebonese people, like Gemayel and Hariri, who want Syria to be held accountable for what they have done and want Iran and Suria out of their country and their affairs

Again, no-one has yet said the Syrians were behind this-just another assumption on your part. And you don't need an international court for this - the guy was murdered, the Lebanese police/security services should investigate and bring those responsible before their courts.

 

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I have not said that the U.S. should go into Lebanon or Syria, especially alone. I see no reason, however, why the U.N. can not go into Lebanon to enforce a sanction they have already imposed, to oversee the disarmamnet of Hezbollah like they already promised/passed.

As far as no connection of Syria to the assassinations - a connection of Syria to Hariri's death has already been made. The identity of the assassins have not been uncovered, though, and - as you can imagine - Syria ain't helping. As far as this latest 'hit', Bolton has already tried to let the media know that we already have proof the Syria eas connected. Intel reports are talking about how Syria left their 'calling card' in the Gemayel assassination. olton can not and will not come out and disclose everything we have/know - ESPECIALLY TO THE MEDIA - because it would jeopardize sources and key players.

Even without classified information to back it up, it does not take a genius to put this together. A simple scholar/observer of history would help connect the dots. THIS is what I am talking about - Iran and Syria are not hiding their intentions anymore - they have announced that they want a Muslim world where you either convert ot DIE, that they will destroy Israel, that they will bring down the U.S., that they intend to enslave/'solidify' the middle east under their rule. They are bragging to the world and to the media, YET....

The only ones who seem to be making excuses for them, who seem to be declaring that they really don't mean what they are saying is US - our own people! Many of us do NOT take what they are saying seriously! Many of us do not believe that we are in a war for our very survival, that such evil can exist like this in the world to so brazenly kill whoever they want (Syria), kidnap whoever they want (Hezbollah), to enslave entire countries (Syria), to slaughter thousands of MUSLIM women and children to incite a civil war that will make it easier for them to take over, to openly declare its true intentions of destroying the world as we know it......so WE MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM....WE follow their statments by saying, "Oh, they really don't mean that."

There is an old saying, "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck...." If they declare they want to enslave the world, if they have said they will brook no opposition, if they carry out that threat by enslaving Lebanon through a militarized Hezbollagh terrorist group and assasinate any leaders who stand against them, if they swear the destruction of Israel then send wave after wave of suicide bombers into Israel, uses Lebanon as a staging point for kidnappings, bombings, and attacks.....at what point do we ancknowledge that we are dealing with a 'DUCK'?

The history, the politics, the evidence, even their very own declarations - the words out of their own mouths - are there and provide us with a warning of what is to come as well as what is happening NOW.....

but we need to wait even more because 'there is nothing but assumptions'.

Thank you for proving the point of this whole thread - WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET IT?!

 

[Gardener]

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WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET IT?!

They won't. Might as well ask them to stop twitching their leg when that little rubber doctor's mallet hits them in the knee.

 

[Moot]

As far as no connection of Syria to the assassinations - a connection of Syria to Hariri's death has already been made. The identity of the assassins have not been uncovered, though, and - as you can imagine - Syria ain't helping. As far as this latest 'hit', Bolton has already tried to let the media know that we already have proof the Syria eas connected. Intel reports are talking about how Syria left their 'calling card' in the Gemayel assassination. olton can not and will not come out and disclose everything we have/know - ESPECIALLY TO THE MEDIA - because it would jeopardize sources and key players.

Even without classified information to back it up, it does not take a genius to put this together. A simple scholar/observer of history would help connect the dots. THIS is what I am talking about - Iran and Syria are not hiding their intentions anymore - they have announced that they want a Muslim world where you either convert ot DIE, that they will destroy Israel, that they will bring down the U.S., that they intend to enslave/'solidify' the middle east under their rule. They are bragging to the world and to the media, YET....

The only ones who seem to be making excuses for them, who seem to be declaring that they really don't mean what they are saying is US - our own people! Many of us do NOT take what they are saying seriously! Many of us do not believe that we are in a war for our very survival, that such evil can exist like this in the world to so brazenly kill whoever they want (Syria), kidnap whoever they want (Hezbollah), to enslave entire countries (Syria), to slaughter thousands of MUSLIM women and children to incite a civil war that will make it easier for them to take over, to openly declare its true intentions of destroying the world as we know it......so WE MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM....WE follow their statments by saying, "Oh, they really don't mean that."

The EU doesn't recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist organziation. And asfar as I know, the US and Israel are the only ones who do. That could be because the US and Israel want a regime change in Syria and Iran and are setting them up for a future attack.

A year and half ago Syria pulled all of its troops out of Lebanon after an occupation of 29 years. Less than a year later, Israel pre-emptively attacked the entire country of Lebanon for what a few Hezbollah soldiers did at the Lebonese border. They could only have done so if hadn't Syria pulled its troops out of Lebanon the year before. Less than a week ago, Tony Blair asked Syria and Iran to help stop the insurgency in Iraq. Apparently he does not agree with the US and Israel that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization sponsered by Syria.

So a few days ago, a known Syrian critic in the Lebanonese government was assassinated. Was the timing of the assassination to Blairs request just a coincidence? Who would gain from the assassination? The US says Hezbollah and Syria would gain because it would be one less vote in the Lebanese government against Syrian influence. But the US would also gain because they could blame Syria for the assassination in order to help convince the American people that a regime change in Syria is neccessary.

There is an old saying, "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck...."
The history, the politics, the evidence, even their very own declarations - the words out of their own mouths - are there and provide us with a warning of what is to come as well as what is happening NOW.....

but we need to wait even more because 'there is nothing but assumptions'.

Thank you for proving the point of this whole thread - WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET IT?!

There is another saying, "don't count your chickens before they hatch."

Because that "duck" you mentioned also walks and squawks just like the propaganda and tactics that the US used against Iraq and is now being used against Syria and Iran. And the fact that John Bolton was too quick to blame Syria makes it all the more suspicious.

 

[Volker]

It's strange how some people find a lot of excuses when Lebanese women and children are killed by the IAF.

When a Lebanese fascist get killed by unknown murderers, it's time point fingers at Syria or Iran for them.