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When the MAGA Movement Comes for Your School

Already happened in parts of San Francisco and new Orleans.

Gay people can't have kids though, so that might be a bit of a stretch.

Besides, when did you start caring what Fox says?
dude. come into 2022. gay people are having kids all over the place.

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and don't think that i missed that you immediately brought up parts of a city that you hate. that was extra funny.
 
Already happened in parts of San Francisco and new Orleans.

Gay people can't have kids though, so that might be a bit of a stretch.

Besides, when did you start caring what Fox says?


WTF? What do you mean gay people can't have kids?
 
Sure. But how is that different than anyone else?

But I'm glad we agree that they are not going to necessarily be turning into staunch conservatives.

It's not any different than anyone else except liberals.

And I don't think they'll be staunch conservative in the sense we see it now.

Most of these people are very socially conservative however and that is going to affect policy for at least a couple of generations.

So far the democrat party has united them against a Boogeyman they've created out of thin air by villifying white people. But that's not going to hold up for much longer.
 
WTF? What do you mean gay people can't have kids?

Not together they can't.

I know y'all insist on being politically correct and men can get pregnant and all.

But gay people have a harder time conceiving for biological and medical reasons, so they need invitro, adoption etc and have less kids than straight couples generally speaking
 
It's not any different than anyone else except liberals.

So you are saying that liberals are more interested in justice and the welfare of the society in which they live more than the narrow self interests of their own tribal groups? Wow, gee, thanks. You are making me blush.

And I don't think they'll be staunch conservative in the sense we see it now.

Most of these people are very socially conservative however and that is going to affect policy for at least a couple of generations.

So far the democrat party has united them against a Boogeyman they've created out of thin air by villifying white people. But that's not going to hold up for much longer.

It's not, and ultimately will not, be about brown/black vs white people. It's about stagnation, ignorance, tribalism, and injustice vs. growth, science, tolerance, and justice.
 
dude. come into 2022. gay people are having kids all over the place.

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and don't think that i missed that you immediately brought up parts of a city that you hate. that was extra funny.


You make alot of ****ed up assumptions about people.

I live near new Orleans. That's where I hang out alot.

You should stop the projections
 
So you are saying that liberals are more interested in justice and the welfare of the society in which they live more than the narrow self interests of their own tribal groups? Wow, gee, thanks. You are making me blush.




It's not, and ultimately will not, be about brown/black vs white people. It's about stagnation, ignorance, and injustice vs. science, tolerance, pluralism, and justice.

I would put it rather that liberals own self interest is in attempting to realize and project thier own idealism upon the communities they live in. Rather than accept it for what it is.
I do genuinely believe they feel it's for the best for everyone, not just themselves, although I don't agree.

On your last part we can only hope you're right.

But, tribalism is a real thing. And these new groups and people who will soon be in charge don't necessarily see themselves as part of the liberal utopian dream.

If things get bad, and resources and food get scarce, history and logic says we're sitting on a powder keg. Much moreso that for example a Japan or relatively homogeneous China.
 
You make alot of ****ed up assumptions about people.

I live near new Orleans. That's where I hang out alot.

You should stop the projections
yeah, it's not like conservatives here don't hate on San Fran like crazy.
 
I would put it rather that liberals own self interest is in attempting to realize and project thier own idealism upon the communities they live in. Rather than accept it for what it is.

I do genuinely believe they feel it's for the best for everyone, not just themselves, although I don't agree.
Are you saying any concept of justice in modern civil societies, of protecting those in positions of vulnerability or weakness against those in positions of privilege and strength, is illusory? We should just stop the façade and go back to the freedom of the jungle where might always makes right?


But, tribalism is a real thing.
But do you think it's the only thing and we should just resign ourselves to it, or that people can learn to rise above it sometimes?

If things get bad, and resources and food get scarce, history and logic says we're sitting on a powder keg. Much moreso that for example a Japan or relatively homogeneous China.

Only if we are racist enough. But if we are racist enough no amount of resources or food would be enough to stop the hate. It's ultimately not about the resources.

We could do better in either of those situations if we weren't racist. Are you saying it just can't be done and we should just stop trying?
 
There's nothing wrong with "Do unto others".

There's a lot wrong with "Your skin color is part of the problem".
No religion in public schools....remember?
 
Already happened in parts of San Francisco and new Orleans.

Gay people can't have kids though, so that might be a bit of a stretch.

Besides, when did you start caring what Fox says?
Gay people can't have kids?

Wow, that was a stupid thing to say.
 
You had quoted this:
“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true, but many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.”
― Thomas Sowell
In response to this part of your post:
. . . .
climate change is real and a dangerous threat to the US and the world, and racism is at the root of many of our policies, law, and history, and should be redressed to help create a more just and equitable society.
. . . .
To which the Sowell quote quite appropriately applies.

... when I quote all the nonsense that has been hammered over and over again by Trump and Fox into right wing brains by just pure repetition, you all of a sudden are kinda wondering why?
I repeated none of what you appear to claim that I did. If I have, do please quote it.
 
In response to this part of your post:

To which the Sowell quote quite appropriately applies.


I repeated none of what you appear to claim that I did. If I have, do please quote it.
How so?
 
Are you saying any concept of justice in modern civil societies, of protecting those in positions of vulnerability or weakness against those in positions of privilege and strength, is illusory? We should just stop the façade and go back to the freedom of the jungle where might always makes right?

Well, at least you do recognize that it's just a facade and not real.

I think the modern concepts of justice in modern societies are the result of seeking cooperation for mutual benifit. As soon as one side gets an advantage over the other everything gets renegotiated. Time and time again.

I think we've put ourselves in a bad spot doomed for a bad outcome here. It's a very long shot that all of these new people are going to get with the program on their own in my opinion.

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But do you think it's the only thing and we should just resign ourselves to it, or that people can learn to rise above it sometimes?[/QUOTE]

I think yes, people can rise above it sometimes. I've seen it.
But I've also seen it devolve. When a multicultural/multiracial group is put under an unbearable amount of pressure, things tend to change.
One only has to look at hurricane Katrina right here where I live, or in any state prison to see what happens when a population is put under sufficient duress.

We may not like it. But we refuse to acknowledge it at our own peril.

If things stay good, we got a chance. If they go bad, all bets will be off.

You know this.

Neither of us hope to see it.


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Only if we are racist enough. But if we are racist enough no amount of resources or food would be enough to stop the hate. It's ultimately not about the resources.

We could do better in either of those situations if we weren't racist. Are you saying it just can't be done and we should just stop trying?
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No, I'm not saying that. And I actually agree with you. I also wish you were right about it, all of it. But, human nature is human nature. And unfortunately it will play out accordingly whether we like it or not. After decades of pushing policies like integration and bussing, people still largely segregate themselves. I live in Louisiana and see it everyday.

It's not that people are racist. Because most of them aren't. It's just that most also are more comfortable around others they can relate to the easiest is all. And if left alone, people do get along very well all by themselves. They find a way to live together. Like we have here in the south for generations.

But hard times force hard choices. And reality says that's what this whole gamble is propped up on.

People don't hate each other. They don't. Don't ever believe that. Human compassion is a real thing. And it's universal. But not all people are wired the same. And we have to accept that fact for what it means.
 
Cancel culture indeed...

Phillips’ fight with Collin College is part of a broader struggle over education here in the swath of suburbs and exurbs of the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, once conservative strongholds that in recent years have become more diverse — racially, culturally, and politically — ...................................................................


If I have the correct Collin College, which is a 2 year community college founded in ~1985 and these schools are usually heavily subsidized by the State, County and/or City and teach values from the surrounding communities. So what if MAGA appeared? You don't think BLM came by at some point? But we never heard about it if they did.

BlueTex said:
...In a nearby town, a high school principal made local history as the first Black person in his post — and then lost his job amid a panic over “critical race theory.”
Absolute best news I've heard today. Bravo.

CRT garbage is ruining the US and needs to be stopped at all costs even though liberals swear it is only taught in law school. Well, a nephew and 3 nieces set me straight on that as my now 24 year-old niece (who now has a 4 year old son - my great-nephew) reiterated the story about how one day they go into a math classroom, are told to move all desks to the perimeter; teachers then place duct tape strips on the floor; the kids are then told to lie head-to-toe, then the next row toe-to-head and so on filling up the entire class.

The "teacher" said to the white students - "Now you know a little of how the black slaves from Africa felt as they crossed the Atlantic Ocean as they were kept in the same position as you are right now for months on end in chains with very little food.

That was it. My niece, about 14-15 at the time, got her mobile phone out that I gave her and called me and I was at that school in <5 minutes with cops in tow. No way could they have caught me anyway. I get to the school, run in and demand that they produce my 2 nieces and my nephew immediately. "You have legal paperwork on them snd me as I adopted all of them, so I am their father. MOVE IT, NOW!!"

I got the kids and told them to say goodbye to the anti-christ liberal democrats standing before them as it is likely the last time you'll ever have to see their asinine beings again. "They HATE white people I said". They keep telling us we're all imagining CRT but yet here it is - in a math class.

I then YELL "what the **** do you people want (asshole cops)? "Nothing... then get the hell out of our way". We left, got on to the NJTPK to a state road south, then down to the A/C Expressway then to the casinos for the day. We had a blast.

You democrats keep sneaking CRT into our schools and you'll have more school board recalls like the 3 in Frisco. Enough already.

If MAGA and Trump don't win in 2024 and DeSantis does - are you going to investigate him to death to and send out the "unwelcome wagon" like you did for Trump?

Investigations into democrats have not even begun yet.
 
Why do you have a problem with local community and parents deciding how local schools should be run?
Why should some moron who can't even do their kids math homework have a say in what my kid learns?
 
f I have the correct Collin College, which is a 2 year community college founded in ~1985 and these schools are usually heavily subsidized by the State, County and/or City and teach values from the surrounding communities. So what if MAGA appeared? You don't think BLM came by at some point? But we never heard about it if they did.
What does that even mean?
 
If I have the correct Collin College, which is a 2 year community college founded in ~1985 and these schools are usually heavily subsidized by the State, County and/or City and teach values from the surrounding communities. So what if MAGA appeared? You don't think BLM came by at some point? But we never heard about it if they did.


As a TAXPAYER in the community college Community College District in question, I object to the district WASTING my money by acting stupid...



Absolute best news I've heard today. Bravo.

CRT garbage is ruining the US and needs to be stopped at all costs even though liberals swear it is only taught in law school. Well, a nephew and 3 nieces set me straight on that as my now 24 year-old niece (who now has a 4 year old son - my great-nephew) reiterated the story about how one day they go into a math classroom, are told to move all desks to the perimeter; teachers then place duct tape strips on the floor; the kids are then told to lie head-to-toe, then the next row toe-to-head and so on filling up the entire class.

The "teacher" said to the white students - "Now you know a little of how the black slaves from Africa felt as they crossed the Atlantic Ocean as they were kept in the same position as you are right now for months on end in chains with very little food.

That was it. My niece, about 14-15 at the time, got her mobile phone out that I gave her and called me and I was at that school in <5 minutes with cops in tow. No way could they have caught me anyway. I get to the school, run in and demand that they produce my 2 nieces and my nephew immediately. "You have legal paperwork on them snd me as I adopted all of them, so I am their father. MOVE IT, NOW!!"

I got the kids and told them to say goodbye to the anti-christ liberal democrats standing before them as it is likely the last time you'll ever have to see their asinine beings again. "They HATE white people I said". They keep telling us we're all imagining CRT but yet here it is - in a math class.

I then YELL "what the **** do you people want (asshole cops)? "Nothing... then get the hell out of our way". We left, got on to the NJTPK to a state road south, then down to the A/C Expressway then to the casinos for the day. We had a blast.

You democrats keep sneaking CRT into our schools and you'll have more school board recalls like the 3 in Frisco. Enough already.

If MAGA and Trump don't win in 2024 and DeSantis does - are you going to investigate him to death to and send out the "unwelcome wagon" like you did for Trump?

Investigations into democrats have not even begun yet.


Blah, blah, blah.... Nobody buys that he was fired for CRT.... We ALL know why he was fired... We have the pictures...

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Why should some moron who can't even do their kids math homework have a say in what my kid learns?

It's called "democracy". And "equality".
 
There are individuals with a radical political lean in every profession. If there are teachers (grade school) who are radical they can choose to hide it or not. If they try to indoctrinate young people they won’t last long, no matter what state and no matter what school district. Same thing happened to Socrates, he was accused of corrupting youth.

The problem with MAGA in schools is a chilling effect. Teachers know to not hype Halloween because fundamentlist Christian parents are likely to object. Not a big deal, the kids don’t need the candy. Christmas has to be balanced with other seasonal holidays so that there remains a separation between church and state. Conservatives complained about removing Christmas from schools, and complained about the concept of politically correct, and then proceed to say that teaching young people about the true history of how we treated native Americans or slaves has to be sanitized.

Teachers know how kids come to the dinner table and mistranslate what happened in the classroom. When the parents respond, the obvious answer is to not cover those topics again. Play it safe and you won’t have a problem.

And there’s the problem. Still, to this day , right now, in our midst, there are people who will tell you that the Holocaust either didn’t happen or it wasn’t a bad thing. Any conservative on this thread want to claim that? You don’t have to, there are still people who do.

If a person claims the Holocaust didn’t happen (like MTG, for a short while did, ) isn’t that a sign of a failed educational system? Can educators claim success when MGT and others grow up, graduate from school and claim preposterous conspiracy theories about real historical events?

Warner Bros. and Turner Classic Movies both have a similar policy about these matters. They refuse to edit the history of our country. This means that the sexist and racist stereotypes of our country are left wide open in full view. That way young people can see for themselves that no one was exaggerating about the problems that still perplex us. Watch a typical Bugs Bunny cartoon and you will see perhaps a dumb Irish cop, a gangster Italian or maybe an ignorant hillbilly. The ‘isms’ of our country have been many and it won’t help a thing to pretend otherwise, so let the young people see the true USA for themselves as soon as they are mature enough to discuss it, like late high school at the earliest. Are they doing this to shame white people? No, they are doing this so that we ALL can agree on what our history really was.

For a teacher, or for a district, the answer is almost simple; Stick to the simple truth, do not exaggerate, but tell it like it was.

If we pretend about history, an entire generation will grow up with myths and lies about what should be an understanding of the truth. That’s what MAGA wants, and it’s the wrong choice to make.
 
Public education TODAY is not what it was 30 years ago when I went to public schools - not even 15 years ago.

And my family was VERY involved, just as I am.

Why don’t public schools want parental involvement?

I should be able to determine what your children learn in school, based only on my personal beliefs.
 
Well, at least you do recognize that it's just a facade and not real.
What? Justice? No, not at all. I think it's something real and we can do it in better and worse ways. It's true it's hard to find it perfectly. It would be hard to define what that would even mean. But just because nothing we have is perfect does not mean we can't try to have better.

It really comes down to what in psychology they call the growth mindset vs the fixed mindset. Are we doomed to remain in the categories and situations we find ourselves in for all eternity (fixed mindset)- or can we, through effort and mindfulness, try to grow and make things better (the growth mindset)?

I think the modern concepts of justice in modern societies are the result of seeking cooperation for mutual benifit. As soon as one side gets an advantage over the other everything gets renegotiated. Time and time again.
I don't think so. If you have ever read Plato's "The Republic", you will know the exchange about justice between Thrasymachus and Socrates. Thrasymachus makes your argument: that teh concept of justice is just an illusion and it's just "the will of the strong over the weak". But Socrates refutes his argument. If you haven't read it, I would suggest it. It's fascinating reading, and makes you realize people were debating this stuff even 2500 years ago in a place far, far away- a very different time and place.

I think yes, people can rise above it sometimes. I've seen it.
But I've also seen it devolve.
So can we choose to go down one road vs the other?

People don't hate each other. They don't. Don't ever believe that. Human compassion is a real thing. And it's universal. But not all people are wired the same. And we have to accept that fact for what it means.

No people really do hate each other sometimes. They really do- for all sorts of reasons- from speaking a funny different language, dressing differently, eating weird different food, to having a different skin tone or belonging to the wrong caste. It's not just about scarce resources. In fact, these days that's very rarely the real reason.

I am an idealist in thinking we are capable of doing better. But am a realist though, in realizing we're nowhere near that right right now. I think there's a real danger in downplaying that, trying to deny it, or sweep it under the rug. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging it exists.
 
Already happened in parts of San Francisco and new Orleans.

Gay people can't have kids though, so that might be a bit of a stretch.

Besides, when did you start caring what Fox says?
Gay people can have and raise kids. And those of us who support gay people raising children, of their own biology or adopted or surrogacy/IVF, exist in large amounts.
 
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