Are you saying any concept of justice in modern civil societies, of protecting those in positions of vulnerability or weakness against those in positions of privilege and strength, is illusory? We should just stop the façade and go back to the freedom of the jungle where might always makes right?
Well, at least you do recognize that it's just a facade and not real.
I think the modern concepts of justice in modern societies are the result of seeking cooperation for mutual benifit. As soon as one side gets an advantage over the other everything gets renegotiated. Time and time again.
I think we've put ourselves in a bad spot doomed for a bad outcome here. It's a very long shot that all of these new people are going to get with the program on their own in my opinion.
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I think yes, people can rise above it sometimes. I've seen it.
But I've also seen it devolve. When a multicultural/multiracial group is put under an unbearable amount of pressure, things tend to change.
One only has to look at hurricane Katrina right here where I live, or in any state prison to see what happens when a population is put under sufficient duress.
We may not like it. But we refuse to acknowledge it at our own peril.
If things stay good, we got a chance. If they go bad, all bets will be off.
You know this.
Neither of us hope to see it.
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Only if we are racist enough. But if we are racist enough no amount of resources or food would be enough to stop the hate. It's ultimately not about the resources.
We could do better in either of those situations if we weren't racist. Are you saying it just can't be done and we should just stop trying?
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No, I'm not saying that. And I actually agree with you. I also wish you were right about it, all of it. But, human nature is human nature. And unfortunately it will play out accordingly whether we like it or not. After decades of pushing policies like integration and bussing, people still largely segregate themselves. I live in Louisiana and see it everyday.
It's not that people are racist. Because most of them aren't. It's just that most also are more comfortable around others they can relate to the easiest is all. And if left alone, people do get along very well all by themselves. They find a way to live together. Like we have here in the south for generations.
But hard times force hard choices. And reality says that's what this whole gamble is propped up on.
People don't hate each other. They don't. Don't ever believe that. Human compassion is a real thing. And it's universal. But not all people are wired the same. And we have to accept that fact for what it means.