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When Is It Obstruction Of Justice?

When Is It Obstruction Of Justice?

  • When you threaten to break kneecaps

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • When you make any threat in order to influence a witness's testimony

    Votes: 19 86.4%
  • When you aren't president

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • MAGA!! OBAMA!! HILLARY!!!

    Votes: 3 13.6%

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So America's Lawyer (HA!) Rudy Giuliani said Trump's threat to Michael Cohen's father-in-law was not obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is defined: an act that "corruptly or by threat or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

No one can argue Trump was trying to influence Cohen's potential testimony to Congress with this threat. This alone should be bringing about impeachment.
 
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So America's Lawyer (HA!) Rudy Giuliani said Trump's threat to Michael Cohen's father-in-law was not obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is defined: an act that "corruptly or by threat or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

No one can argue Trump was trying to influence Cohen's potential testimony to Congress with this threat. This alone should be bringing about impeachment.

It's only obstruction of justice if it is a Dem President that did it.
 

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So America's Lawyer (HA!) Rudy Giuliani said Trump's threat to Michael Cohen's father-in-law was not obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is defined: an act that "corruptly or by threat or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

No one can argue Trump was trying to influence Cohen's potential testimony to Congress with this threat. This alone should be bringing about impeachment.

Where did you come up with the above ....wait... a debunk Buzzfeed story?:lamo CNN or MSNBC fell all over themselves for this debunk story and you seem to be caught hook line and sinker?
 

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Where did you come up with the above ....wait... a debunk Buzzfeed story?:lamo CNN or MSNBC fell all over themselves for this debunk story and you seem to be caught hook line and sinker?

I think you have different stories confused. Pretty sure Trump tweeted about the father in law
 

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Trump's tweet said to "watch Cohen's father in law', insinuating he is guilty of crimes himself. It was not a threat of any kind. It did not imply a threat. It was a heads up to the father in laws activities. That it is a threat is just more fake news. Trump lives in your heads. Get therapy.
 

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Has to be a crime before there is obstruction. If the President hasn't committed a crime he isn't committing obstruction. He also isn't obstructing if he is operating under the powers given him by the Constitution.
 

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Trump's tweet said to "watch Cohen's father in law', insinuating he is guilty of crimes himself. It was not a threat of any kind. It did not imply a threat. It was a heads up to the father in laws activities. That it is a threat is just more fake news. Trump lives in your heads. Get therapy.

So if trump saying "watch cohen's father in law" was a heads up to the father in laws activities, which you and trump are both insinuating are illegal with that comment, you sound like you are convicting his father in law with no evidence. No?
 

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Trump's tweet said to "watch Cohen's father in law', insinuating he is guilty of crimes himself. It was not a threat of any kind. It did not imply a threat. It was a heads up to the father in laws activities. That it is a threat is just more fake news. Trump lives in your heads. Get therapy.

Awfully unbecoming of a president to make public accusations of criminal activities, especially when those accusations can influence witness testimony against you. Not just unbecoming, but criminal.
 

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So America's Lawyer (HA!) Rudy Giuliani said Trump's threat to Michael Cohen's father-in-law was not obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is defined: an act that "corruptly or by threat or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

No one can argue Trump was trying to influence Cohen's potential testimony to Congress with this threat. This alone should be bringing about impeachment.

When a Dem does it its called Obstruction

When Trump does it his supporters call it defending himself

Lets see how Mueller interprets the meaning.
 
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What are democrats going to do when the Mueller investigation finds no "collusion nor obstruction" by the President? Already the democrats in the house are planning to reopen the collusion investigation into Trump after the initial investigation in the house and the senate found nothing. BTW, collusion is not a crime. It's about keeping the illusion of a problem so they can win the white house in 2020. It's obstruction for trump to legally fire Comey, but it's not a crime for Hillary to destroy evidence under subpoena?
 

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What are democrats going to do when the Mueller investigation finds no "collusion nor obstruction" by the President? Already the democrats in the house are planning to reopen the collusion investigation into Trump after the initial investigation in the house and the senate found nothing. BTW, collusion is not a crime. It's about keeping the illusion of a problem so they can win the white house in 2020. It's obstruction for trump to legally fire Comey, but it's not a crime for Hillary to destroy evidence under subpoena?

This thread is about obstruction of justice. Please keep up.
 

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I did say no obstruction, please read. No obstruction, crime for Hillary, would be obstruction in destroying evidence.
 

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So if trump saying "watch cohen's father in law" was a heads up to the father in laws activities, which you and trump are both insinuating are illegal with that comment, you sound like you are convicting his father in law with no evidence. No?

Not convicting, just worth looking into. That's what a "heads up" means.
 

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Awfully unbecoming of a president to make public accusations of criminal activities, especially when those accusations can influence witness testimony against you. Not just unbecoming, but criminal.

It's not criminal to recommend something be looked into. Everything is on the table. Is it criminal to make testimony deals with people who are facing prison time? Can you rely on anything they say, knowing they have ulterior reasons for saying something? Maybe make stuff up to keep out of prison or get a better deal. Politics today is no holds barred. Trump is entitled to fight back.
 

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Trump's tweet said to "watch Cohen's father in law', insinuating he is guilty of crimes himself. It was not a threat of any kind. It did not imply a threat. It was a heads up to the father in laws activities. That it is a threat is just more fake news. Trump lives in your heads. Get therapy.

Dream on. Why did Trump bring it up? Just happened to occur to him? This from a prez who thinks the AG should be his personal lawyer, his Roy Cohn. It was like the line by Al Pacino as Michael concerning Fredo in Godfather II, “I don’t want anything to happen to my brother while our mother is still alive.” The intent of the comment was clear. Trump trying to intimidate Cohen. Michael suggesting his brother is to be killed.
 

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It's not criminal to recommend something be looked into.

I am sure when the mobster says he’d hate to see something bad happen to your small business you think he is speaking out of sincere concern. You guys are a riot.
 

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You guys exaggerate Trumps words, meanings and actions. The dems and the media have hated on the man since he announced his intention to run for President. They made fun openly in his face and claimed loudly how he didn't have a chance to win. Well, they lost and they keep up the barrage of insults and accusations which mostly have little evidence. When they are wrong they do not say they were wrong, they make a new accusation. The man hits back, what do most folks do when falsely accused? What would you do in similar situations, I bet you would have something to say. Mix that with a failure to honestly give credit when due and you have the situation we have. You hit me, I hit you back. Live with it. The "this isn't Presidential" line is BS. There is a reason so many voted to get him elected and its the politics same as always mentality by Washington Politicians and the flaming liberal media failure to be reporters of news instead of creators of news.
 

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So America's Lawyer (HA!) Rudy Giuliani said Trump's threat to Michael Cohen's father-in-law was not obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is defined: an act that "corruptly or by threat or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

No one can argue Trump was trying to influence Cohen's potential testimony to Congress with this threat. This alone should be bringing about impeachment.

You don't have to threat to obstruct justice, you can make them an offer to entice a witness not to cooperate or lie and that is obstruction as well. Both the carrot and the stick can be used to obstruct justice.
 

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So lying to Congress would be obstruction? Like Brennan, Comey, Hill, Clinton, Clapper, Yates, and numerous others did and then contridicted themselves later? So obstruction should be prosecuted?
 

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Where did you come up with the above ....wait... a debunk Buzzfeed story?:lamo CNN or MSNBC fell all over themselves for this debunk story and you seem to be caught hook line and sinker?

Um, did you read his OP before making this post? Buzzfeed has nothing to do with it. He was referring to the President's Tweet about Cohen's father in law.

Please pay attention.
 

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When it actually obstructs justice.
 

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Trump's tweet said to "watch Cohen's father in law', insinuating he is guilty of crimes himself. It was not a threat of any kind. It did not imply a threat. It was a heads up to the father in laws activities. That it is a threat is just more fake news. Trump lives in your heads. Get therapy.

Trump is the President of the United States. This board is called "Debate Politics". Are you suggesting that posters post on here and not post about the President of the United States, who just happens to be the most powerful person in this country politically?

Please don't say dumb things. It makes you look ridiculous.

Maybe a board called "Debate The Bachelor" would be more to your liking.
 

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I am sure when the mobster says he’d hate to see something bad happen to your small business you think he is speaking out of sincere concern. You guys are a riot.

that's not at all like what Trump said. Trump didn't threaten anyone. He never said something bad would happen to anyone's business. Trump lives in your head.
 

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Trump is the President of the United States. This board is called "Debate Politics". Are you suggesting that posters post on here and not post about the President of the United States, who just happens to be the most powerful person in this country politically?

Please don't say dumb things. It makes you look ridiculous.

Maybe a board called "Debate The Bachelor" would be more to your liking.

Debate and obsession are two different things, unless you're a liberal Trump hater. You are obsessed. Trump lives in your head.
 
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