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First off I am going to say I like the wording of this question. It acknowledges that different people have different ethical standards, and even that they might not try to hold others to them by force of law. Bravo!According to your own ethics, morals, philosophy, and values, under what circumstances to you believe it's right to end a pregnancy?
According to your own ethics, morals, philosophy, and values, under what circumstances to you believe it's right to end a pregnancy?
Something eles I noticed. You said end a pregnancy, not terminate a ZEF. Are you holding an assertion that a woman's right is not the termination of the offspring per se, but the ending of the pregnancy, but termination of the ZEF is the only current method we have?According to your own ethics, morals, philosophy, and values, under what circumstances to you believe it's right to end a pregnancy?
According to your own ethics, morals, philosophy, and values, under what circumstances to you believe it's right to end a pregnancy?
Something eles I noticed. You said end a pregnancy, not terminate a ZEF. Are you holding an assertion that a woman's right is not the termination of the offspring per se, but the ending of the pregnancy, but termination of the ZEF is the only current method we have?
Something eles I noticed. You said end a pregnancy, not terminate a ZEF. Are you holding an assertion that a woman's right is not the termination of the offspring per se, but the ending of the pregnancy, but termination of the ZEF is the only current method we have?
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You can induce labor at around 5 months with a change of the fetus (not sure what the term is at that level of development) with a chance of its survival with lots of medical intervention (lots of money) that would terminate the pregnancy as well
I selected "Only if the mom's life/health is in danger". However I would also make exceptions for victims of rape. As such I wish you would have made the poll a multi-choice poll.
Note: That per your own OP this is ONLY in regards to my own personal standards. Politically I am fully pro-choice and support abortion "Any time at all". I have no Right to tell another woman what to do with her own body. Nor do I have a Right to tell another person what to believe.
According to my own ethics, a ZEF should be treated as a human being, and therefore terminating it is ethically justified only under a similar set of conditions (for example, a health threat, a rape, a severe deformity, etc.)
I was looking at ethics per se. I was.talking actual rights vs practical application. At the risk of going far off track, let's assume that there is a way to get the ZEF out of the woman and into an artificial womb at the same or less physical trauma as an abortion. Is the woman's right to abort the baby or only to end the pregnancy? That is about rights not personal ethics.According to my own ethics, a ZEF should be treated as a human being, and therefore terminating it is ethically justified only under a similar set of conditions (for example, a health threat, a rape, a severe deformity, etc.)
Can you kill a person that is a health threat to others? (no, we quarantine them or put them in jail). That have severe deformities? If it's a person, how can you kill it if it's the product of a rape?
Is it equal to people or not?
According to my ethics, yes. And also according to my ethics, there are extraordinary circumstances in which killing a person is justified. Those circumstances are always tragic, but they can't be dismissed just by claiming that someone is a person.
I was looking at ethics per se. I was.talking actual rights vs practical application. At the risk of going far off track, let's assume that there is a way to get the ZEF out of the woman and into an artificial womb at the same or less physical trauma as an abortion. Is the woman's right to abort the baby or only to end the pregnancy? That is about rights not personal ethics.
Depending on what you're asking, it can be very much about personal ethics; in other words, whether the woman is "doing the right thing" or not.
If you're asking about her legal rights, I'm fairly sure that she can abort the baby, but that isn't really the topic of the thread.
Depends on the need itself. If it's one life or the other, my ethical position is that the mom is justified in choosing her own over the unborn.Understood.
So then your ethical position is focused on meeting the needs of the unborn rather than women?
That last bit sounds odd to me, because I consider the unborn to be "equally human" to born people.It sounds odd that way. Sorry. It's more about how people value each, since they cannot be valued equally in a practical, real-life sense. (If they could be treated equally, there would be no ethical dilemma)
I value the unborn, but I value women, all people, more.
I would say that both have equal value. Either one may have to give something up (ethically, again) for the sake of the other.Is it true to say then, that you value the unborn more than women?
Depends on the need itself. If it's one life or the other, my ethical position is that the mom is justified in choosing her own over the unborn.
Lursa said:It sounds odd that way. Sorry. It's more about how people value each, since they cannot be valued equally in a practical, real-life sense. (If they could be treated equally, there would be no ethical dilemma)
I value the unborn, but I value women, all people, more.
That last bit sounds odd to me, because I consider the unborn to be "equally human" to born people.
I would say that both have equal value. Either one may have to give something up (ethically, again) for the sake of the other.
Hope that helps.
So, since it's about personal ethics, isnt "pro-choice" the correct application towards abortion in the US?
Just for argument's sake, let's turn that around.
If a woman doesn't believe that she's ready for the possibility of carrying a child to full term, and yet chooses to have sex with a fertile man, isn't that an unethical choice on her part?
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