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When do you want it to end?

Massive testing will give massive false results. Both positive and negative.

There is no way to 100% eliminate the disease before we get herd immunity. There will always be some population with a pocket of it.

How can one have herd immunity and pockets of it because it can't be eliminated all in the same sentence? How does the math even work that allows for one to speak of 100% elimination "before" we get herd immunity.

Just words Tim. Just words.
 
How can one have herd immunity and pockets of it because it can't be eliminated all in the same sentence? How does the math even work that allows for one to speak of 100% elimination "before" we get herd immunity.

Just words Tim. Just words.

Because if there is a pocket which has the disease which then infects a population which does not have immunity the disease is back on. If the general population has immunity then the process stops.

Just basic ideas. Just the way diseases work in general.
 
Sounds like a plan. However, just those with type 2 diabetes in the US is around 37.2 million.

Type 2 Diabetes Statistics and Facts

Add in all those with other diseases, like heart disease:

Nearly half of all adult Americans have cardiovascular disease -- ScienceDaily

Nearly 48% of the population.

So it may be that much more than half of the U.S. population will be in lockdown. Might as well turn out the lights in the U.S. The other half won't be able to support us.

If you define heart disease as blood pressure slightly higher than the arbitrary cutoff, sure.
 
Because if there is a pocket which has the disease which then infects a population which does not have immunity the disease is back on. If the general population has immunity then the process stops.

Just basic ideas. Just the way diseases work in general.

How long was smallpox around before herd immunity via vaccines drove it to extinction?

You are not going to achieve herd immunity without a vaccine. Period.
 
Of those requiring hospitalization what percentage of them were children or young adults? Of those requiring hospitalization how many of them had underlining medical issues exposing them to greater complications? Do the math. Testing “everyone” isn’t science based.

While the percentage of children hospitalized is lower than can still dread the Covid 19 Wolfe virus and it can follow

Little red Red Riding Hood to Grandma’s house where the Covid 19 Wolf will eat her up.

Coronavirus deaths in kids echoes toll in adults,

The report examined 121 deaths of those younger than 21, as of the end of July. Like older adults, many of them had one or more medical condition — like lung problems, including asthma, obesity, heart problems or developmental conditions.



From ClickOnD:

Coronavirus deaths in kids echoes toll in adults, CDC says
 
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Under what conditions, what criteria, do you think the lockdown should end?

When the death rate is less than road accidents? (already there I think)

When the R rate, as invented/projected/guessed at by who knows, is below 1?

When there is a vaccine thatworks 100% of the time unlike the flue one?

Never?

At what point to we get back to life?

There has never been a complete lockdown in any state. The real question is when no one needs to wear a mask anymore. That is when everything will be open and operating normally again.
 
If you define heart disease as blood pressure slightly higher than the arbitrary cutoff, sure.
I wasn’t limiting it to just heart disease but merely used it as an one example. You could include hypertension and hypotension as diseases that compromise individuals. You could include cancer patients. The list of other diseases is long. Therefore the potential victims could be well over 60% of the population. If you lock all them down you might as well turn the lights off.
 
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While the percentage of children hospitalized is lower than can still dread the Covid 19 Wolfe virus and it can follow

Little red Red Riding Hood to Grandma’s house where the Covid 19 Wolf will eat her up.

Coronavirus deaths in kids echoes toll in adults,





From ClickOnD:

Coronavirus deaths in kids echoes toll in adults, CDC says
From your source.
Thus far this year, the COVID-19 toll in children is lower than the pediatric flu deaths reported to the CDC during a routine flu season, which has been about 130 in recent years.
That’s good news.
 
There shouldnt have been a lockdown. Sweden did the right thing: herd immunity.

Nothing to add. Just thought it needed saying again.

Apparently this needs to be said again.

I don’t think they were trying for herd immunity.

This article says that gathering s were limited to 50 people and that social distance was recommended by the Prime Minster and that the people followed that recommendation.

The Swedes brokered a different deal than the rest of the world: Citizens take individual responsibility for social distancing, and the government keeps most of society functioning. There are some rules—high schools and universities are closed, gatherings of more than 50 people are banned, and people over 70 and those who feel ill are encouraged to stay home. But businesses largely remain open, and children who would otherwise need care are in school.

Citizens seems to be taking their responsibility seriously. Residents point out that they are practicing social distancing,
with the elderly isolated, and families mostly staying home, apart from kids in school. Citymapper statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility.
in Stockholm. Travel over the Easter weekend dropped more than 90%; the government did not tell ski resorts to close for Easter, a popular ski holiday time, but the resorts closed anyway.

Lovin told the BBC

it is a “myth that Sweden has not taken serious steps.”

Sweden is taking a very different approach to Covid-19 — Quartz
 
From your source.

That’s good news.

I agree that is good news.

The bad news is children could easily , (without ever knowing they have Covid 19 )
spread the disease to family members and others who are much more vulnerable.
 
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Football was a dying sport before any of this. Parents don’t prefer their kids suffer debilitating lifelong injury so dads can feel better about their penises.

Not many minor aged kids playing in the NFL.
 
You should be thanking those of us who are doing something about it. However, I'm tired of your routine. You can talk about COVID with someone else from now on.

My post was about the the plan and project to create the upcoming vaccine with the greatest speed possible.

Related, I suppose, to Covid. Related in the way that a city buying a fire engine is related to arson.
 
Under what conditions, what criteria, do you think the lockdown should end?

When the death rate is less than road accidents? (already there I think)

When the R rate, as invented/projected/guessed at by who knows, is below 1?

When there is a vaccine thatworks 100% of the time unlike the flue one?

Never?

At what point to we get back to life?

There is only one way to beat this thing without treatments or vaccines. We have to totally and completely lock down. Everyone, everywhere, everyplace. For as long as it takes. There must be no new cases because even one case can spread. Grocery stores must be closed. Hospitals must be closed. No one can work, anywhere at anytime. No one on the streets either walking or by car. We need a 100% drop in worldwide GDP and a 100% unemployment rate. This needs to continue until every last case is gone. Nothing else will work.
 
Is herd even possible?

Honest, this is insanity. Don't you folks understand anything around you?

England tried it... about to go into their second full lock down!

I am British.

We are going into a deeper lockdown than we have had as we had a slight weakening of it. This is despite the almost total lack of nay significant numbers of deaths.

No known reason for this.
 
I am British.

We are going into a deeper lockdown than we have had as we had a slight weakening of it. This is despite the almost total lack of nay significant numbers of deaths.

No known reason for this.

secret is it?

plot no doubt...
 
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