Should we not teach math? What if they aren't going to be Mathematicians?
You have a bad habit of putting words in another man's mouth. I have not only never said that, I've even said that I
don't want to use force.
You understand that
you can bring
your kids to whatever church you want; how are we stopping religion from being taught? We don't want it in schools, that's all. Just as we're making no attempt to force science into your churches.
And the formation of earth is necessary for Abiogenesis, and star formation was necessary for that, and galaxy formation for that, and the Big Bang before that, and the universal laws settling before that, and then a brane collision before that, ad infinitum.
What are you getting at? That science isn't religion? Because it's not. There's no big conspiracy of how Science isn't Religion. We aren't teaching Religion in school, there are churches for teaching religion. There's nothing unfair going on, you can teach religion to your child if you want, just don't expect the public dime to pay for it.
All Scientific Theories are unprovable! What about that, do you not understand? It's not a strange concept that we recently invented; science is about disproving theories, not proving them. Proof isn't possible for any claim involving the physical world. Mathematical theorems can be proved, Logical theorems can be proved, Science can
not be proved, that's not the point of science.
Common misconceptions about science I:
No idea what you're getting at.
Education isn't a democracy, but even if it was, belief in Evolution is the plurality. Gallup polls show 47% of Americans believe in Evolution, where only 46% do not (The rest didn't respond). Respectfully, it's a small margin, but it's still in our favor.
Yup, I hate children and values; that's why I want them to get a good education. I'm just a monster.
I also have to ask, even if I was just trying to get them on my "side", what does that make you?
We teach children that "it's what the leading theory is", never that it's the end all, be all, absolute truth. Those words have never escaped the lips of a Science teacher. We want children to question these ideas, and to follow the new evidence and theories as they are uncovered.
Again, we could say the same thing about all school activities. It's mandatory, by law; all school functions are based on totalitarianism. That's the point; if we let kids decide, it'd be video games, junk food, and sleeping, school. It's like my tutoring days, "I don't know if you'll need this, but you better shape up or you'll be lucky to flip hamburgers." I don't want a generation of hamburger flippers, I want a generation of hard working, quick thinking, skeptically minded citizens. The world needs it.
this silliness has gone on quite long enough, I tire of your constant dodges.
Math is a practical tool used every single day by probably, in some form or another, every sentient and conscious person to achieve actual results. So your analogy proves inadequate and somewhat juvenile.
Okay, I will break it down for you on the force thing. If you cannot afford private school or home school, what is your choice? Its not just keeping your kids home, you will THEN be
forced to put them in public school...right or wrong?? Since you will try to slide out of this as you have everything else, I will just tell you the observable truth,
You have to go to school, its the law.
Now, if you have to go to public school and they are teaching your unproven, plausibly if not probably false
pseudo-"science", would that not be force? I will answer for you, ditto previous explanation,
YES.
For as smart as you seem to try to imply you are, you cannot see that your side should not be able to force our children to be taught, then assessed giving your side the answers they want to hear from our children... "So Billy," asks the science teacher, " just how did life originally come about?" Think the student will get a good grade if he gives the credit to god? I cannot see how you cannot see that as indoctrination to your point of view, mandated by law.
As regards your brane brain collision et al... yes, nothing that our children need know in K-12, they will not starve to death, won't be asphyxiated if they do not learn it early... so you are just trying to impose your views so as to imprint them on the minds of our children... so at least you admit you are trying to do that, that our common ancestor, at least in your estimation, would have evolved out of life from the lifeless...so Evolutionary Origins is your proven hypothesis finally admitted.
Then it stands to reason that if scientific theories are ALL UNPROVEN, LETS HAVE SOME OTHER MORE ACCEPTABLE ONES THERE TO CHALLENGE THE OTHER UNPROVEN ONES... or how about just leave it be, since its just plain stupid to push such silliness.
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My god, the inanity of your premise and its amazingly simple and reasonable resolution to which your side, being more than slightly totalitarian-
ish ideologues, cannot acquiesce...which is correspondingly and appallingly irritating.
No idea what I am getting at... and yet want to be in the ranks of the ones trying to dictate the learning of the implausible to our children...
niiiiiiiiiiiceee...
Evolution in the concept of slow change over time is easily agreed to... Evolutionary Origins [ please do not start with all the EO is not a scientific blah blah blah blah...] is something else... do they ask that question? Do they ask where do we all come from, do they ask if we all basically descended from rocks and gases, if they believe that DNA created itself, rocks and gases somehow figuring it all out...absurd, and you want us to respect your beliefs? Might as well be a religion for as much credence one can put into such hogwash.
You dislike religion, you have already admitted as much... you like children being taught your beliefs, good education not withstanding.
What does that make me? Someone that wants parents to have a right to have their children be taught more along the lines of how they want their children to be taught.
And so if the answers are outside the realm of science to discover...what then? Don't you want critically thinking children to be able to throw in other things which may be true, but, just like ALL your theories, cannot be proven?
Hamburger flipping nor being President nor being a scientist will be contingent upon being forced to learn your view of origin which you believe is science. If you want that view, pay for it at college, that is what college is for nowadays, far out concepts that have to have no real practical purpose, but could have. Have at it at that level, be our guest to waste your money, just don't waste the taxpayers on such silliness and what is, admittedly, your belief system so you go along with it... that is simply insufficient as a reasoning as there is no real reason to it.