Whats the Solution to High Energy Prices?

[CaughtInThe]

time

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I dont think thats as easy as producing more energy. Use less oil in your car, use more oil in having things delivered, or electricty production. Or china buys all the surplus instead.

One can be immediately the other 6 months down the road

Carpool, combining multiple trips into one, turning the heat down or AC up

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Thats actually a good point and covered under use less energy. Car pooling is a totally valid alternative to driving yourself when gas prices are high, and its self regulating. If gas becomes too expensive people WILL take mass transit and drive less.

In most of Canada and the US mass transit sucks for any trips across the city.

 

[Mach]

We do not have a govt to help check/balance wealth. Violence and theft yes. All that other crap got us where we are.

Money is power. Too much power over the people is bad, whether it's from government, or from private industry, or socialism, or communism, or anything.
It's not about catch phrases and sound bites, its about what makes sense.
Government is one check on that power.
Corporations polluting public waterways...they profit, everyone else suffers...who do you think regulates that? Governments.
Ponzi schemers wanna get rich quick. They do...who regulates that? Government.
The list goes on.

 

[Mycroft]

What a lot of people don't understand is that "high energy prices"...which is what is specified in the thread title...isn't just about gas for your vehicles. (though that's part of it)

EVERYTHING we buy is dependent upon energy. EVERYTHING we do is dependent upon energy.

High energy prices increase the cost of EVERYTHING in our lives.

I hate to repeat myself, but we need to get the ****ing government OUT OF THE WAY!!! of energy production.

 

[jonny5]

Money is power. Too much power over the people is bad, whether it's from government, or from private industry, or socialism, or communism, or anything.
It's not about catch phrases and sound bites, its about what makes sense.
Government is one check on that power.
Corporations polluting public waterways...they profit, everyone else suffers...who do you think regulates that? Governments.
Ponzi schemers wanna get rich quick. They do...who regulates that? Government.
The list goes on.

What makes sense is capitalism. That is the check on power. Ponzi schemers is FRAUD and theft, not wealth imbalance. Yes, govt should regulate that. But you said it should check wealth imbalance. That is not why govt exists. It exists to protect you life and liberty.

 

[antiquity]

Too late, instead of sucking oil and gas dick and let the greedy destroy the planet for thier insane wealth, we should have pushed green technology decades ago

The same whiners about gas prices also whine about electric cars, solar, windmills, that's how you get away from being dependent. Oh, and they also drive gas guzzlers

I would like to a car with a wind mill on it? Most of the Belt way elite drive gas guzzlers....and that includes people who are against oil. That includes Gore.

 

[Deuce]

While oil is a big F deal in our economy, we need an all of the above approach.

-use less energy
-more oil
-more solar
-more wind
-more geo
-more hydro
-more nuclear
-more innovation
-less taxes and regulation

We also need to recognize that electric cars are made of oil. Electric cars are charged by oil. Simply going electric doesnt change anything. Most of our electricity comes from natural gas (oil byproduct) and oil.

Circular reasoning. "Electric cars are charged by oil" is only true for electricity coming from oil, and there's no magic law of the universe requiring us to continue using oil forever.

"Less regulation" got you the Texas power failures.

"Just do everything" isn't an argument.

 

[Deuce]

What makes sense is capitalism. That is the check on power. Ponzi schemers is FRAUD and theft, not wealth imbalance. Yes, govt should regulate that. But you said it should check wealth imbalance. That is not why govt exists. It exists to protect you life and liberty.

Government exists to do what we say it exists to do. If we want that to mean stronger social safety nets and less wealth inequality, then that's what it means.

 

[Deuce]

I would like to a car with a wind mill on it? Most of the Belt way elite drive gas guzzlers....and that includes people who are against oil. That includes Gore.

Does Al Gore determine your opinion on renewable energy?

 

[Roadvirus]

More Oil, Nuclear, Geothermal & hydroelectric.

 

[jonny5]

Circular reasoning. "Electric cars are charged by oil" is only true for electricity coming from oil, and there's no magic law of the universe requiring us to continue using oil forever.

"Less regulation" got you the Texas power failures.

"Just do everything" isn't an argument.

Eletric cars are mainly charged buy oil. Its true most of the time. More electric cars would only mean more electric cars being charged by oil.
Less regulation didnt get us texas power failires.
Just do everything is an argument.

Saying nuh uh, isnt an argument.

 

[jonny5]

Government exists to do what we say it exists to do. If we want that to mean stronger social safety nets and less wealth inequality, then that's what it means.

No, govt exists to protect life an liberty. Says so right in our founding docs.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Too late, instead of sucking oil and gas dick and let the greedy destroy the planet for thier insane wealth, we should have pushed green technology decades ago

The same whiners about gas prices also whine about electric cars, solar, windmills, that's how you get away from being dependent. Oh, and they also drive gas guzzlers

That's why Baby boomers and Gen xers will go down as the generations that killed the planet. Millennials and zoomers have a lot of work ahead just to survive, much less succeed in the world these people ruined.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

In the short term, we need to increase domestic oil production and couple this with greater efficiency mandates and tax incentives for shorter commutes and purchasing more fuel efficient vehicles.

For example, lets say you drive down the price of oil with more domestic production. If people take those cheaper gas prices choose to buy larger, less efficient vehicles, then in end we have not accomplished anything, so we must do both.

We also need some type of government backstop for oil prices. Reason being, while we have a lot of domestic oil, most of it is only profitably recoverable when oil prices are at least 40 to 60 dollars a barrel. Russian and Saudi oil can be profitably recovered at oil prices of just 8 to 12 dollars a barrel. They have used that in the past to artificially drive down oil prices in order to price domestic producers out of business.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Eletric cars are mainly charged buy oil. Its true most of the time. More electric cars would only mean more electric cars being charged by oil.
Less regulation didnt get us texas power failires.
Just do everything is an argument.

Saying nuh uh, isnt an argument.

Not oil, we produce very little electricity with oil, but rather by natural gas. That said, it is much more energy efficient to generate energy in large power plants than it is in millions of individual combustion engines. So even if natural gas is the biggest source of electricity generation, its much more energy efficient to power electric cars with electricity produced by natural gas than it is to power cars with gas or diesel.

 

[Moi621]

Not Included among options

Competition!


The gasoline / oil industry has too
little competition and too much price fixing.


Moi
Defender of Truthiness

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And A Second Strategic Reserve for the economy's sake!

 

[Manc Skipper]

In most of Canada and the US mass transit sucks for any trips across the city.

Give amss transitt priority over cars. Tax cars for entering congestion zones, use park and ride to bring people in and out from the suburbs to the city centres. Put in cycle lanes. Have a coordinated policy.

 

[jonny5]

Not oil, we produce very little electricity with oil, but rather by natural gas. That said, it is much more energy efficient to generate energy in large power plants than it is in millions of individual combustion engines. So even if natural gas is the biggest source of electricity generation, its much more energy efficient to power electric cars with electricity produced by natural gas than it is to power cars with gas or diesel.

Natural gas is a fossil fuel and byproduct of oil. Oil is refined into all sort of things, from the materials used to build things that use electricity, to the millions of small gas generators. Coal is used as much as oil.

And I dont know thats its more efficient to produce centrally once you figure in transmission, batteries, etc. But thats not the point anyway. Point is more elctric demand means more fossil fuel demand.,

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Give amss transitt priority over cars. Tax cars for entering congestion zones, use park and ride to bring people in and out from the suburbs to the city centres. Put in cycle lanes. Have a coordinated policy.

Our designs of the cities is poor for mass transit

My city which has about 1.2 million people is approx 50 km north south and 40 km west west. Very spread out making mass transit expensive as it would have low ridership in the outlying areas

 

[Indydave]

we have the ability to send robots around the solar system and explore Mars......why don't we have that same ability to make cars that run on solar.........

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Natural gas is a fossil fuel and byproduct of oil. Oil is refined into all sort of things, from the materials used to build things that use electricity, to the millions of small gas generators. Coal is used as much as oil.

And I dont know thats its more efficient to produce centrally once you figure in transmission, batteries, etc. But thats not the point anyway. Point is more elctric demand means more fossil fuel demand.,

Natural gas is not just a byproduct of oil. We also natural gas fields where we just extract natural gas. The whole notion that electric and hybrid vehicles are less efficient than gas vehicles is a myth that comes from a tabloid article that was later retracted.

https://mag.toyota.co.uk/fact-or-fiction-busting-myths-about-the-toyota-prius-hybrid/

Also, it is worth pointing out the hybrids are never plugged in unless you get a plugin hybrid. The Toyota Prius is the most reliable car on the road and likely the most reliable car ever made: https://www.caranddriver.com/research/g32878986/most-reliable-cars/

 

[BahamaBob]

You just don't get it. Deregulate the industry. But it is Biden's fault they won't raise production.

Majors such as Pioneer Natural Resources, Devon Energy, and Diamondback Energy have already said they have no plans to boost production in any meaningful way. Instead, they will focus on shareholder returns.

The chief executive of Pioneer Natural Resources put it quite bluntly last month in an interview with Bloomberg. "Whether it's $150 oil, $200 oil, or $100 oil, we're not going to change our growth plans," Scott Sheffield said. "If the president wants us to grow, I just don't think the industry can grow anyway."

Not true. Pioneer said its average fourth-quarter sales volume rose to 687,143 barrels of oil equivalent per day (boepd) from 364,482 boepd a year earlier. People with math skills would say that is an increase.

 

[molten_dragon]

If we want to stabilize energy prices, we need to wean ourselves off of using commodities to generate energy. That means more wind, solar, and nuclear primarily. Maybe hydro, but I feel like most of the good spots for hydroelectric generation were exploited decades ago. And I'm not really sure what potential geothermal power has in the US, we're not particularly volcanic.

 

[jotathought]

Too late, instead of sucking oil and gas dick and let the greedy destroy the planet for thier insane wealth, we should have pushed green technology decades ago

The same whiners about gas prices also whine about electric cars, solar, windmills, that's how you get away from being dependent. Oh, and they also drive gas guzzlers

sigh .. would have .. could have .. exhausting.

What specifics steps would you take to mitigate the transition from fossil fuels to alternative energy? Since you are the oracle on this .. please .. share with us...