What's something you wish the right understood about the left (or vice versa)?

[STUT]

I recently came across a similar topic on Reddit and thought it would be appropriate here. One of the major factors behind our current polarized state of politics is largely due to misunderstandings that each has for the other "side". So what are some things that you wish the other "tribe" would understand about yours?

For me, its the notion that liberals/democrats/progressives aren't patriotic and hate this country or want to turn it into some Euro-style social democracy/autocracy. Another one would be that we (the left) are pro-abortion.

Thoughts?

 

[Crovax]

For me, its the notion that liberals/democrats/progressives aren't patriotic and hate this country or want to turn it into some Euro-style social democracy/autocracy. Another one would be that we (the left) are pro-abortion.

Thoughts?

Then maybe the left should stop arguing for their polices as it worked in "other European country"

 

[STUT]

Then maybe the left should stop arguing for their polices as it worked in "other European country"

We can still maintain our own unique American identity with the inclusion/adaptations of models from other countries (healthcare being the one that most comes to mind)

 

[Phys251]

Then maybe the left should stop arguing for their polices as it worked in "other European country"

That's not an example of what the OP is asking for.

 

[Crovax]

We can still maintain our own unique American identity with the inclusion/adaptations of models from other countries (healthcare being the one that most comes to mind)

It certainly goes beyond healthcare. Gun control, restrictions on free speech, voting styles, ect.

 

[lwf]

The right needs to understand that people who devote their lives to science, medicine, education, etc. may not be perfect, but they are not idiots. They are, in fact, more knowledgeable than you are about their specialty to a person. When there is a consensus among trained and educated authorities, it is foolish to reject this consensus in favor of an "alternative" partisan narrative supported by a few statistical outliers you hear coming from your political party.

The left needs to understand that social change is always going to be existentially terrifying to the close-minded and uneducated, regardless of whether it is ultimately for the greater good or not. The harder and faster you push for social change, the harder the right is going to rebel against it. The pendulum always swings back to the right, even when the clock would look better a few feet to the left.

 

[Common Sense 1]

That's not an example of what the OP is asking for.

Mind reading again?

 

[Common Sense 1]

The right needs to understand that people who devote their lives to science, medicine, education, etc. may not be perfect, but they are not idiots. They are, in fact, more knowledgeable than you are about their specialty to a person. When there is a consensus among trained and educated authorities, it is foolish to reject this consensus in favor of an "alternative" partisan narrative supported by a few statistical outliers you hear coming from your political party.

The left needs to understand that social change is always going to be existentially terrifying to the close-minded and uneducated, regardless of whether it is ultimately for the greater good or not. The harder and faster you push for social change, the harder the right is going to rebel against it. The pendulum always swings back to the right, even when the clock would look better a few feet to the left.

Just plain rubbish.........

 

[Phys251]

Mind reading again?

I wasn't talking to you. But congratulations on demonstrating part of the problem.

 

[element94]

A lot of us on the left have a lot of guns.

 

[STUT]

Just plain rubbish.........

What specifically do you find rubbish (particularly the first paragraph)

 

[STUT]

A lot of us on the left have a lot of guns.

Or that we aren’t for the wholesale banning of every single firearm known to man…

 

[Cardinal]

I recently came across a similar topic on Reddit and thought it would be appropriate here. One of the major factors behind our current polarized state of politics is largely due to misunderstandings that each has for the other "side". So what are some things that you wish the other "tribe" would understand about yours?

For me, its the notion that liberals/democrats/progressives aren't patriotic and hate this country or want to turn it into some Euro-style social democracy/autocracy. Another one would be that we (the left) are pro-abortion.

Thoughts?

I could answer, but would it do any good? Conservatives are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole that no amount of rationality can reach them.

 

[STUT]

I could answer, but would it do any good? Conservatives are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole that no amount of rationality can reach them.

Perhaps. But I am genuinely curious about what other people think

 

[upsideguy]

Just plain rubbish.........

Quite the opposite. It was rather insightful. You should re-read his post and give it some thought OR explain specifically where he is wrong.

 

[Cardinal]

Perhaps. But I am genuinely curious about what other people think

I would want conservatives to rejoin earth. I know that sounds like a facile response, but what are you going to tell somebody who believes that Democrats and teachers are grooming kids for pedophilia?

 

[STUT]

I would want conservatives to rejoin earth. I know that sounds like a facile response, but what are you going to tell somebody who believes that Democrats and teachers are grooming kids for pedophilia?

Oh, to have the Republican Party that selected Mitt Romney back again….

 

[Crovax]

Oh, to have the Republican Party that selected Mitt Romney back again….

The same Mitt Romney who was labeled racist and sexist by the left?

That's partly how we got to Trump.

 

[STUT]

The same Mitt Romney who was labeled racist and sexist by the left?

That's partly how we got to Trump.

Mea culpa. If we’d have known about trump back then, we probably wouldn’t have been so glib

 

[aociswundumho]

The right needs to understand that people who devote their lives to science, medicine, education, etc. may not be perfect, but they are not idiots. They are, in fact, more knowledgeable than you are about their specialty to a person. When there is a consensus among trained and educated authorities, it is foolish to reject this consensus in favor of an "alternative" partisan narrative supported by a few statistical outliers you hear coming from your political party.

It would be nice if the left would understand the fallacy of attempting to derive should statements from facts, as demonstrated above.

 

[psikeyhackr]

The right needs to understand that people who devote their lives to science, medicine, education, etc. may not be perfect, but they are not idiots.

A lot of educators are morons. Why haven't we had a K-12 National Recommend Reading List for decades?

I had to explain to a high school teacher that a 9 kilometer wall was impossible. It must have been meters. The book did say meters.

Great Zimbabwe - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I asked a half-dozen high school teachers about Project Gutenberg. Only one had heard of it and she had not told her students about it.

Educators want students dependent on educators. An excellent book is better than a mediocre book used by a mediocre teacher.

 

[btthegreat]

I want the right to try harder to understand that the 'left's' views on capitalism, regulation and the accumulation of individual wealth is actually very nuanced. We don't hate rich people, capitalism, or private business or profit. We see each as serving a valuable and effective role in a healthy economy and society. But we also believe in balance and that requires a moderate, tempered and watchful approach to the accumulation of wealth, We be mindful of excesses and abuses of capitalism, which can corrode and undermine the health in both the economic and political systems. Wherever there is great accumulation of wealth, there will be a great accumulation of power. If things get too top heavy without enough circulation of both the wealth and power so that nutrients and oxygen flow throughout, it can call get very toxic.

 

[psikeyhackr]

I want the right to try harder to understand that the 'left's' views on capitalism, regulation and the accumulation of individual wealth is actually very nuanced. We don't hate rich people, capitalism, or private business or profit. We see each as serving a valuable and effective role in a healthy economy and society. But we also believe in balance and that requires a moderate, tempered and watchful approach to the accumulation of wealth, We be mindful of excesses and abuses of capitalism, which can corrode and undermine the health in both the economic and political systems. Wherever there is great accumulation of wealth, there will be a great accumulation of power. If things get too top heavy without enough circulation of both the wealth and power so that nutrients and oxygen flow throughout, it can call get very toxic.

There are as many kinds of socialism as there are socialists.

A socialist high school teacher told me that he objected to mandatory accounting in the schools on the grounds that the math would make Capitalism seem logical to the students.

Ridiculous!

A libertarian told me that he objected because nothing should be mandatory.

Ridiculous!

Maybe humanity is too stupid to survive.

 

[btthegreat]

There are as many kinds of socialism as there are socialists.

A socialist high school teacher told me that he objected to mandatory accounting in the schools on the grounds that the math would make Capitalism seem logical to the students.

Ridiculous!

A libertarian told me that he objected because nothing should be mandatory.

Ridiculous!

Maybe humanity is too stupid to survive.

I should have been more specific. I was interpreting the OP as referencing left of center politics, not necessarily socialism which is a subset of the 'left. I was talking about Modern American progressive liberalism which is a slightly different subset.

 

[lwf]

It would be nice if the left would understand the fallacy of attempting to derive should statements from facts, as demonstrated above.

From where do you prefer to derive your should statements?