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What's Not In TODAY's (Yesterday's, a year ago, etc) NEWS (1 Viewer)

My_name_is_not_Larry said:
I brought up clinton as an example to discredit what you said about people being "fired from leadership". People get fired and replaced by the president, it happens, every president has done it. (clinton being the example). Now, I would like to ask that we quit talking about Clinton, I just used what he did as an example an that was more attention than he deserved anyway.

Now, make some better arguments so that I won't have to argue with your stupid arguments.

Please, I don't want the power you give me. I assure you, you don't have to do anything on my accord. Feel free to move about the room and make the rounds.

I did not know this would spiral down to a debate about the Dress up Day on the USS Lincoln. I really did not. Had I known the Diehards would go for just one issue and get into semantic arguments by using google to find one of the Administration's excuses for the day, I would have just left it out. Seriously though, the Administration eventualy admitted it was a mistake.

Really, move on, I won't feel left out----go on meet some friends.
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
Please, I don't want the power you give me. I assure you, you don't have to do anything on my accord. Feel free to move about the room and make the rounds.

I did not know this would spiral down to a debate about the Dress up Day on the USS Lincoln. I really did not. Had I known the Diehards would go for just one issue and get into semantic arguments by using google to find one of the Administration's excuses for the day, I would have just left it out. Seriously though, the Administration eventualy admitted it was a mistake.

Really, move on, I won't feel left out----go on meet some friends.
As I have no choice but to go now, (Work) I'll be going, good bye.
 
oldreliable67 said:
Perhaps "common knowledge" for you and others who have have maintained and interest in the topic and/or researched/read about it. But, you may be surprised that not everyone has done that. Moreover, if one is going to enter into a debate or even just a discussion, it usually behooves one to define the parameters.

You are perhaps right that "common knowledge" shouldn't be attacked, but maybe one shouldn't make assumptions about what is or is not "common knowledge".

And where have I attacked you in this thread? Nowhere. Yet.

You are right, my bad, and I am sorry. I got you mixed up with not Larry, and attack was not the proper word. Speed Kills, and I was speeding. My Fault, my apologies.
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
Yes, I expect people to know about this stuff. It is all there for the taking. Common knowledge shouldn't be challenged, and then attacked when it is answered. That's like getting mad at me for my being upset that you won't accept the sky is blue because you lived inside your house you entire life and never saw it.
You could easily prove all of us wrong by posting one, just one quote from Bush stating that the war would be over in a flash and all or most of our troops would soon be home.

Since it is 'common knowledge', this shouldn't be to hard for you.
 
Gill said:
You could easily prove all of us wrong by posting one, just one quote from Bush stating that the war would be over in a flash and all or most of our troops would soon be home.

Since it is 'common knowledge', this shouldn't be to hard for you.
I have never heard him say that, ever. But Gill has a good point, Diavo. Just show us the common knowledge quote. :cool:
 
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030428-secdef0131.html

April 23, 2003, from Don Rumsfeld (Rummyhead).

"The one thing we do know is that we’re going to be able to reduce the size of our forces, obviously, for a couple of reasons. One because, a few reasons, one is because the Operation Northern and Southern Watches are over and not necessary anymore, so those capabilities can be moved. Second is that the forces that were necessary to liberate Iraq are not necessary during the stabilization period, and as we move into that we ought to be able to make adjustments. And third, Iraq was a threat in the region, and because that threat will be gone, we also have the ability to adjust some of our arrangements."

The Black & White Semantic arguments so famously used by the Diehards seem to never end. OK, I will play along and act like the Administration never implied that Iraq was going to be a cake walk. Prior to April 28th, 2003, Wolfy, Pearley, and Feithbased were out in the open on how fast it was gonna go. Projecting Troop reductions, describing the statues that would be built in the Name and Image of GW Bush-----don't you remember these things or is it really just revisionist rememberance? These guys made the morning talk shows their place to shine in the spot light while diseminating the information all Diehards wanted to hear. But you are right, just like the Prez never said "imminent danger" (because "urgent" is so much different), "Mission Accomplished" and "End of Combat Operations" are not an implication that things are winding down. Your right, he did not say it was gonna be over in a flash-----he basically tried to sell everyone that the War was ALREADY over. They only had to deal with a "Few Deadenders, Saddamists, thugs, and assasins", and all would be OK in Iraq----how did that work out?

April 28, 2003, May 3, 2003, and June of 2003----remember the dates, cause I am not gonna do your homework for you. Go to the DOD Archives and do some research on or around those dates. You will find hundreds of transcripts, speeches, and news releases pertainiing to Troop Levels. Since you all refuse to acknowledge the truth, perhaps you should go back in time and READ. Then, go into the Public Media Archives and look at some of the stories that were "Leaked" from Senior Whitehouse Advisors to the Press. Look into any interviews on Meet the Press during the months of April, May, and June of 2003.

You could easily prove all of us wrong by posting one, just one quote from Bush stating that the war would be over in a flash and all or most of our troops would soon be home.

"Tell them what they want to hear"-----so you all will feel better about your semantic arguments, your revisionist ways, and your denial of the obvious, I will tell you what you want to hear.

George Bush never said the war would be over in a Flash. Even he is not that stupid----well, maybe he is, but someone made sure he did not say it outright. Remember this as well though, Members of the ADMINISTRATION are representatives of the President, and this administration likes to have all its bases covered when they tell a tale. Rummyhead Finally admitted Iraq does not have WMD, while Uncle Dick ran with that WMD thing well after it was acknowledged by the Whitehouse that the WMD threat was not what they thought. Which is also why Diehards cannot drop the WMD to Syria thing. See how that sending two messages thing works?

Another example in sending mixed messages: "The last Throes of the Insurgency" or something like that, that is what Uncle Dick said long AFTER the "Long Hard SLOG" leaked memo that came from Rummyhead in November of 2003. Right?

It was in June and July of 2003 that Rummyhead started using "Success" is our exit strategy, and the troop reductions to 40,000 by the summer of 04' was never brought up again. Maybe if you all had some kids and relatives on the ground over there during the actual Invasion and subsequent occupation, you would have paid attention to the stuff. Lord knows when it involves you personally, you pay attention. Some more than others.

Lastly, The DOD's website is chaulked full of information. It is by far the best website avaliable for one to get the truth. They hide it right out in the open, and I am quite sure if some of our Media Giants had spent some time in the military, they might know that it exists. Here is the warning about the DOD's site though, you have to be willing to search for the stuff----you cannot just google it, you have to actually do some reading.
 
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