FinnMacCool said:
Human beings are adaptable creatures but extremely selfish. We would destroy beautiful things for our own conveniance. It is my opinion that protecting beautiful things is more important then money or petty inconveniences. I know I'm gonna be alone in this but I dearly regret that we have sacrificed all this land and built these things all over it. Perhaps it was unavoidable but its a shame.
What do you think about this? How much should we exploit the enviroment for our benefit?
I can't eat trees?
UtahBill said:
That might be true where you live, but out in the western USA, excluding parts of the left coast (California), there is still an abundance of open space, untamed and unmolested land, great scenery, etc.
Truly, large national parks and wilderness that are extremely enjoyable. Still, if worse comes to worse (the population grows) and we have to use more... the point is, you can't eat trees, or many other beautiful things for that matter.
It's a balance, keep some beautify, use some to live, it's what we have to do.
FinnMacCool said:
If you go on google earth and look at Long Island the whole damn place is a suburban wasteland. Upstate theres some more stuff but its pretty much just bullshit over here.
Move.
Niccolo and Donkey said:
Enough so that life is sustainable. All else is gravy.
Explain "sustainable."
tecoyah said:
All things in Moderation.....I would prefer we simply develop with ecology in mind...easy...No...but doable.
Me, Tecoyah, and Aristotle* are my favorite people
*Aristotle's "attaining the median" in life.
libertarian_knight said:
Also, ALL LIFE is selfish. you thinks rats, dogs, fish, whales, ants or bacteria have any concern for the environment, science or have environmental impact studies done? no, they do their thing, and everything else be damned. Humans, as selfish as we are, are actually LESS selfish that other species.
Early life had a predominantly carbon dioxide atmosphere, and they lived fine in it. But boy did they **** that up, putting out all that oxygen, using all that CO2, till it was gone, and Oxygen was fricking everywhere.
CaliNORML said:
Mmmmmmm, yummy sustaining hemp...
Touchmaster said:
People who cry 'jobs over trees' would do well to study the fate of the isolated population of Easter Island, who cut down all their forests to make status symbols and farms, onlt to find that they now live in an irreversibly impoversihed world in which they were trapped and starving.
Mmmmmmm, yummy sustaining trees...
libertarian_knight said:
Yeah, but of course, they were too dumb to replant them, that was the problem. We actually have more trees now (and I understand the implications of mono-cultural forests), than when the european settlers landed. This point then, is to show, we are in no meaningful dangers of cutting down all our trees.
Mmmmmmm, partisan garbage (right)...
Luckily, other than President Bush, most everyone else would probably disagree with you. Our national heritage is our land, our Forests and Rivers. Without them, we are just another Afghanistan.
I'm going to have a stomach ache after ingesting all this garbage (left this time!)...
jfuh said:
Europe has pretty much reached an equilibrium of it's population and is actually facing a decline in population, that's fine since most of it's industry is fully automated.
Europe (at least Western Europe) has transitioned from the industry based economy to the service based economy, all nations that have moved into this type of economy have lower birth and fertility rates, it's part of the transition.
jfuh said:
India is in my opinion the most backwards of all countries in terms of population control. Not only is it not trying to control growth of population, but it seemingly actively supports population growth, some of this is religious in nature, but mostly this is political and economical.
India has tried to limit their population, and continues to try. If their culture and religion support large families, it is no fault of the government. India is still in the agrarian based economy phase (where families are large, birth and fertility rates high), although they are quickly trying to move straight into a service based economy (skipping the Industry transformation).