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What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas[W:233]

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1. They oppose greater sanitary regulations on abortion clinics.
2. They support this procedure. (graphical illustration from medical book of late term abortion procedure)

Such heroes!!
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The developing baby has very limited stimulus response, it may feel the pain but is uninformed as to the ramifications of said pain. I understand a disheartening sense of repulsion, even nausea, towards this. However, setting anthropocentrism aside, I feel that this is no worse than pulling apart a cricket. Why? Because the means of death is inconsequential "unless prolonged torture, which this is not, as even newborns have very little amounts of blood and the fetus would lose whatever consciousness it had very expeditiously." I don't care, it's physical pain, something that most animals feel. The only way this could possibly be immoral to me, were if a fetus would be sentient, which it is not in any advanced sense.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The OP is total, 100% false. Texas does not allow late term abortions.

So what is HEROIC about A MAN making outright 100% totally false claims wanting to use deception and dishonestly to totally subjugate women to force them to have babies against their will?
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The OP is total, 100% false. Texas does not allow late term abortions.

So what is HEROIC about A MAN making outright 100% totally false claims wanting to use deception and dishonestly to totally subjugate women to force them to have babies against their will?
That depends on what you call late term. Their saying anything over 20 weeks as is their right.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

let's hear (for a bit) another, opposing voice to current tejas abortion policy:
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The OP is total, 100% false. Texas does not allow late term abortions.

So what is HEROIC about A MAN making outright 100% totally false claims wanting to use deception and dishonestly to totally subjugate women to force them to have babies against their will?
News Flash, he didn't claim that Texas allows late-term abortions.....
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

That depends on what you call late term. Their saying anything over 20 weeks as is their right.

I was referring to the OP's graphic.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

News Flash, he didn't claim that Texas allows late-term abortions.....

Try clicking on his link. That is what he claimed some pro-choice in Texas are fighting for - with exactly nothing to back up that claim.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

Try clicking on his link. That is what he claimed some pro-choice in Texas are fighting for - with exactly nothing to back up that claim.
But that isn't what you argued in the post I was referring to.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The developing baby has very limited stimulus response, it may feel the pain but is uninformed as to the ramifications of said pain. I understand a disheartening sense of repulsion, even nausea, towards this. However, setting anthropocentrism aside, I feel that this is no worse than pulling apart a cricket.
Gratuitously torturing animals, even insects, while young, is one of the well-known indicators of someone who is at high risk to grow up to be a sociopath. That you would cite “pulling apart a cricket” as something to which to compare abortion in order to argue that there's nothing wrong with it tells us something very disturbing about you.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

let's hear (for a bit) another, opposing voice to current tejas abortion policy:
No thanks; I don't need to hear such a ridiculous moron.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

1. They oppose greater sanitary regulations on abortion clinics.
2. They support this procedure. (graphical illustration from medical book of late term abortion procedure)

Such heroes!!
I'm a 5th generation Texan. And in no way do I support the round about way they are trying to enforce misogynistic credos on the public.

Thank goodness Perry will not be governor of this great State again. And maybe another great one like Ann Richards will pop up again.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

I'm a 5th generation Texan. And in no way do I support the round about way they are trying to enforce misogynistic credos on the public.

Thank goodness Perry will not be governor of this great State again. And maybe another great one like Ann Richards will pop up again.
Anti-Abortion does not equal Anti-Women, when will you people get that into your heads?
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

Anti-Abortion does not equal Anti-Women, when will you people get that into your heads?
When you want yo enforce you credos via the the state. Yes it is misogyny
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

When you want yo enforce you credos via the the state. Yes it is misogyny
No it isn't actually. Abortion does not equal women. Opposing abortion does not equal opposing women. That is the spin people try to put on it to make Pro-Lifers seem so terrible.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

let's hear (for a bit) another, opposing voice to current tejas abortion policy:
Texas Republicans: Free speech unless you disagree with us. :mad:
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

No it isn't actually. Abortion does not equal women. Opposing abortion does not equal opposing women. That is the spin people try to put on it to make Pro-Lifers seem so terrible.
It opposes a woman making a choice.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

It opposes a woman making a choice.
So do anti-murder laws, anti-drug laws, and any other restriction. So that's not really a valid argument even though you seem to think it is.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

When you want yo enforce you credos via the the state. Yes it is misogyny
Approximately half of the innocent victims of abortion are girls, who would become women if they were allowed to live.

It is certainly very bizarre that the side that wants them to be killed gets to accuse the side that wants them to be allowed to live of being misogynistic.
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

Approximately half of the innocent victims of abortion are girls, who would become women if they were allowed to live.

It is certainly very bizarre that the side that wants them to be killed gets to accuse the side that wants them to be allowed to live of being misogynistic.
And approximately 2 to 3 % are gay. So what is your point?
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

So do anti-murder laws, anti-drug laws, and any other restriction. So that's not really a valid argument even though you seem to think it is.
Wellp can I move into your body?
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

And approximately 2 to 3 % are gay. So what is your point?
I don't see how your remark achieves any faint vestige of relevance. Are you under the impression that I advocate killing people for being homosexual?
 

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Re: What the Pro-Abortion people are fighting for in Texas

The point is your arguments are completely unfounded and false.
A woman can make a choice and they often do plain and simple.
 
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