What should we do in Iraq? (1 Viewer)

[zymurgy]

I mean no malice towards anyone......When someone posts are all slanted to the left then I can only assume they are a liberal........If your not I apologize.....

All my posts?

Like the ones about abortion, gay marriage, social platforms?

The only stance I have ever openly disagreed with you on is Iraq.

 

[Captain America]

Calling me something I'm not is the crux of my argument.

If I label someone a liberal, no malice is intended. Can you honestly say the same?

See post #46.

People who use the word liberal like the "N" word are just assholes. Their thoughts and opinions do not deserve contemplation. We should just leave them be to their trailer park and go about our business ignoring them.

Now, I am not calling anyone here an asshole per sey. But I will leave it as "If the shoe fits..."

Now, I am a pro-lifer, pro-gun, anti-government cheese, democrat party basher, Nascar/Toby keith fan. And when someone labels me a die-hard liberal, nothing they say after that even matters.

 

[Navy Pride]

See post #46.



Now, I am not calling anyone here an asshole per sey. But I will leave it as "If the shoe fits..."

Now, I am a pro-lifer, pro-gun, anti-government cheese, democrat party basher, Nascar/Toby keith fan. And when someone labels me a die-hard liberal, nothing they say after that even matters.

Yeah, right and I am the king of England.................:rofl

 

[Volker]

No offense my friend but judging by how you post in DP I think you are........

It's ok, no offence taken here :smile:

 

[afr0byte]

Yeah, right and I am the king of England.................:rofl

So, you don't believe he is for those things? Can I assume then, that you're actaully as liberal as I am, but you like to put on a conservative facade?

 

[Captain America]

Yeah, right and I am the king of England.................:rofl

Your delusions are no secret to this forum your highness.....:rofl

 

[zymurgy]

So, you don't believe he is for those things? Can I assume then, that you're actaully as liberal as I am, but you like to put on a conservative facade?

I'm saying he is a communist pretending to be something else.

 

[Navy Pride]

It's ok, no offence taken here :smile:

Aw shucks......:cheers:

 

[afr0byte]

I'm saying he is a communist pretending to be something else.

Because everyone that disagrees with you is a communist, right? :lol:

 

[zymurgy]

Because everyone that disagrees with you is a communist, right? :lol:

exactly.

:mrgreen:

 

[Captain America]

So, you don't believe he is for those things? Can I assume then, that you're actaully as liberal as I am, but you like to put on a conservative facade?

A quick history search of my post history here will more than validate that I am a firm pro-lifer, pro-gun, anti-government cheese, Clinton nightmare.

But as a previous poster stated, anyone who does not support NP's delusions, he labels a "liberal." That too, can be verified by searching his post history, (to those who have the stomach for it.)

 

[afr0byte]

exactly.

:mrgreen:

Well, prost to that. :cheers:

 

[Navy Pride]

So, you don't believe he is for those things? Can I assume then, that you're actaully as liberal as I am, but you like to put on a conservative facade?

Assume anything you like my friend...Its a free country........

 

[afr0byte]

Assume anything you like my friend...Its a free country........

Ok, awesome....you owe me money, pay up!

 

[The Mark]

So, basicly, this is a poll with biased questions designed to encourage people who are somewhere in the middle from voting?

And, basicly, the debate has gradually decended in the following order:

1. Debate on what to do in Iraq.
2. Debate on who voted for which option.
3. Debate on the merits of Navy Pride's opinions of a persons liberalism/non-liberalism.
4. Debate on topics related to #'s 2 and 3, which include:

A. Is NP the king of england?
B. Are people who disagree with NP liberals? Communists?
C. etc.​

Most of which, IMHO, is of no importance whatsoever.


In response to the poll question "What should we do in Iraq", I think that the current process is working fairly well, so......I hate to say it, but that statement "stay the course" seems to be the way to go currently.

People who disagree are welcome to try and convince me that I am wrong.

 

[Caine]

So, basicly, this is a poll with biased questions designed to encourage people who are somewhere in the middle from voting?

And, basicly, the debate has gradually decended in the following order:

1. Debate on what to do in Iraq.
2. Debate on who voted for which option.
3. Debate on the merits of Navy Pride's opinions of a persons liberalism/non-liberalism.
4. Debate on topics related to #'s 2 and 3, which include:

A. Is NP the king of england?
B. Are people who disagree with NP liberals? Communists?
C. etc.​

Most of which, IMHO, is of no importance whatsoever.


In response to the poll question "What should we do in Iraq", I think that the current process is working fairly well, so......I hate to say it, but that statement "stay the course" seems to be the way to go currently.

People who disagree are welcome to try and convince me that I am wrong.

Well, its nice to get back on topic.

My real answer to this topic would be somewhere in between NP's obviously slanted poll.

I think we should "stay the course" but at the same time, I don't think we should "stay the course" for the next three decades. Which could very well happen at the rate we are going. We have been trying to train police and troops in Iraq since 6-8 months after the invasion, I remember cause when I was there our focus shifted from "huntin' down the insurgents!" to training police and security forces. This was around August of 2003. The general attitude when I was there in 2003 through the beginning of 2004 was that "The Americans will take care of us" and when I returned at the end of 2004, to provide security for the beginning of a series of elections, the attitude didn't seem to change that much.

We have to let it be known that we aren't going to be around forever, and that the Iraqis need to learn to step it up and defend themselves. And with an Inevitable Civil War around the corner, there is no telling what the future holds.

 

[Captain America]

You know, I was convinced there would be an inevitable civil war in Iraq regardless of what we do or when we left.

But I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[Caine]

You know, I was convinced there would be an inevitable civil war in Iraq regardless of what we do or when we left.

But I'm not so sure anymore.

And, since the sectarian violence has been getting worse and worse, you've decided that there WON'T be a civil war now?

There was no sectarian violence when we first went in, now with all the politics of starting up thier government, Sunnis and Shii'tes have been attacking each other more and more. What makes you think there will not be a civil war?

 

[Navy Pride]

Ok, awesome....you owe me money, pay up!

The check is in the mail...........

 

[Navy Pride]

I know its killing you Bush haters but things are gradually improving in Iraq every day.....Its far from perfect and there is still plenty of violence but the Iraqis have a unified elected government now and their army and security forces are gradually taking over the defense of the country.......

I would say that with a few exceptions we will be out of Iraq by 2008 and I think that is a great scenario considering we still have thousands of troops in Germany, Japan, Korea and Bosnia.........

 

[Caine]

I know its killing you Bush haters but things are gradually improving in Iraq every day.

I know its killing you Navy Pride, but nobody except the mentally insane wish that things in Iraq will not improve. I know, its killing you to think that, because you live in the world where anyone who claims to be a liberal/progressive or a democrat have to be made out to be "the bad guy" by you saying that they hate the troops and hate American just because they don't agree with you.

Say it ain't so.
You can't accept the fact that liberals are more willing to think about things on thier own rather than follow blindly, and yet, they can still do this while supporting the troops and praying for thier safe return.

 

[BWG]

...<snip>...But he did say that when the US forces pull out, he will be at the front of the plane. Contract be damned. He does NOT trust the Iraqi forces to protect him.

And after three years and three months, that is pure incompetence on this administrations part.


Then along comes Caine's post to bolster my belief.

...<snip>...We have been trying to train police and troops in Iraq since 6-8 months after the invasion, I remember cause when I was there our focus shifted from "huntin' down the insurgents!" to training police and security forces. This was around August of 2003. The general attitude when I was there in 2003 through the beginning of 2004 was that "The Americans will take care of us" and when I returned at the end of 2004, to provide security for the beginning of a series of elections, the attitude didn't seem to change that much.

We have to let it be known that we aren't going to be around forever, and that the Iraqis need to learn to step it up and defend themselves...

 

[BWG]

...And, basicly, the debate has gradually decended in the following order:

1. Debate on what to do in Iraq.
2. Debate on who voted for which option.
3. Debate on the merits of Navy Pride's opinions of a persons liberalism/non-liberalism.
4. Debate on topics related to #'s 2 and 3, which include:

A. Is NP the king of england?
B. Are people who disagree with NP liberals? Communists?
C. etc.

Most of which, IMHO, is of no importance whatsoever.

Most of the threads that a certain someone joins always seem to follow this pattern. :2wave:

 

[26 X World Champs]

I always find it is impossible to vote on a Navy Pride poll. the possible answers are always shallow and partisan in nature.

So true! This poll is purposely designed to attack Liberals. It's one damn stupid poll.

I say we CUT AND RUN and get the hell out ASAP.

 

[26 X World Champs]

No, I just like to get liberals like you on the record..............It will be nice to look back on when we have achieved a complete victory in Iraq.....

When will that be? I know...see pic below!