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What does killing someone with drunk driving get you usually in the U.S.?
The Belgians and Germans have it figured out, we need higher speed limits or none at all.
some states not much, others substantial time. In KY a drunk driver in 1989 or so ran into a school bus coming back from an amusement park about 75 miles away and killed more than a dozen kids who died when the ensuing fire caused cushions in the bus seats to emit toxic fumes. I think he did about a year for each kid he killed.
on the other hand, many years ago a guy tried to kill himself and deliberately drove his station wagon the wrong way on an interstate near my home. Two girls I grew up with were in the back seat of their parents' Porsche-the vehicle the nutcase slammed into. The parents died, the girls survived as did the suicidal whacko. He only got a couple years. vehicular homicide due to DWI is getting more and more time lately
Exactly. A 70 mph speed limit is simply pitiful. It's completely arbitrary, and only really serves to encourage average citizens to treat the law with contempt.
Basically the only reason most speed limit laws exist in the first place to placate busybodies who get their panties in a snit whenever someone drives faster than they do, and serve as a covert form of taxation to bring in revenue for state and city governments. It's an archaic set up, and should really be changed.
There was a case here last year I think and he ended up killing a teenager and that got him life imprisonment. Drunk driving is taken rather seriously here for the most part, the U.S. seems to be more lax then.
My cousin was driving me to Amsterdam through Germany and we were going 220km/h (136mp/h) down one of the autobahns well until we hit the Netherlands where it went down to 100kp/h (60mp/h) and everything went well so I don't see the issue. In Belgium the speed limit is usually 130km/h (80mp/h) on highways but even then most people go much faster.
I drove from Heidelberg to Munich for Oktoberfest back in 2011. I had to have been going at least 120 mph the whole way there, and there were still guys in BMWs blowing past me at significantly higher speeds.
I would've gone faster, but unfortunately my crappy rental SUV couldn't handle it. :lol:
Say some traffic crime results in death. Do we give everyone a freebie?
uh yeah, I realize you haven't been around for more than a few days but obviously. and the penalties are very different for different outcomes even if the mens rea is the same.
Ticket for the full 170mph, mandatory court appearance, possible suspension of license.
Yep! Lots of points off the DL with that one for sure! Plussssss when the Judge get's done,,,Insurance will be much higher,,bad deal all around for the heavy foot.
I frankly don't really believe in speed limits as a general concept. The Germans, for instance, get by mostly without them. There's really no damn reason whatsoever why I shouldn't be able to drive 100 mph on a wide open well paved road in the middle of nowhere if I feel like I can handle it.
There's really no damn reason whatsoever why I shouldn't be able to drive 100 mph on a wide open well paved road in the middle of nowhere if I feel like I can handle it.
There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds.
One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed towards radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires.
In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver.
Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.
Interesting. There isn't a single scenario in which speeding should be punishable in your eyes? School zones perhaps? Residential neighborhoods?What should happen is absolutely nothing, the same time anyone is committing the "crime" of speeding.
Wow, I expected a 20mph story instead it's 100mph over. BIG diff. Throw the book at him, impound his car. If he/she wants to rev it up, and can afford a car like that, they can afford to lease a racetrack for the afternoon or evening. Stay off the f'ing roads, just cuz it appears clear, doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Things have a way of not being controlled except in controlled circumstances, like a racetrack.A highway patrol car on a good condition 4 lane divided highway with a 70 mph speed limit, no other cars on the highway in a remote area picks up a sole car doing 170 mph heading his way on the other side empty and flat open area 2 lanes. A new Corette ZR 1 designed to go 200 mph. When the officer pulls across the center medium, the ZR1 driver (no passenger) pulls over anticipating being stopped. What should the officer do and what should the penalty be? Multiple choice, public vote.
As to that last remark... the only likely to happen with a person smoking pot and only smoking pot, is that they'll be going too slow, not usually an endangering problem. Stoners get light feet not heavy feet. So even though I agree they'll make mistakes, they'll be doing it in slower motion and likely to cause less harm than any sober mistake at 170mph or even 100mph.There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds. One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed towards radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires. In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver. Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.
Interesting. There isn't a single scenario in which speeding should be punishable in your eyes? School zones perhaps? Residential neighborhoods?
I think most people wouldn't like the criminal and civilly liable death that comes to their loved one during vehicular manslaughter.I think most people wouldn't like the criminal and civil liability that comes along with vehicular manslaughter.
On the other hand, I'm unfond of any law that penalizes those who have not harmed others. If you hit someone or something with your car, that's harming others because you couldn't control your vehicle.
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