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What number do I call to get my “White Privilege” benefits?

Nah- the problems caused by 4 centuries of chattel slavery and systematic racism are sociologically/economically/culturally very complex, and will take a few generations to dig out from.

Well, then hope you have a shovel. I'm retired, I'm not digging anything out. I judge everyone on the content of their character just as Dr King asked. After that, other people's problems are their problems---- adults ought to be able to figure this stuff out themselves.


Folks who still were dealing with "whites only" bathrooms, forced to sit in the back of the bus, not having access to the same schools, not being allowed to vote, etc... are still around to tell you all about it.

Who, Black people over age 80? So, basically about 14% of the 12% of Black Americans (0.0168%). And if you think about that, those issues you brought up were actually only in the South, so you can probably cut down that number to 0.0084%. What a catastrophe here in 2020....sheesh!

No other minority has had all THAT to deal with. And the problem is that skin color is such a visibly obvious thing that all the social stigmata that go with it are hard to shake off that easily. The Irish, Poles, Italians, etc... had a much easier time blending in to the general population and rest of society. Skin tone is visible to everyone the second they see you- and so you immediately get labeled with a lot of baggage and assumptions and pre-judgments. It is is like the scarlet letter in our society.

It is what it is. How long are people going to keep whining about the history? But if liberals want to pay reparations, then why don't they start a go-fund-me for reparations? How long would it take to come up with a few bucks to give to that 0.0084%. of Americans to satisfy the penalty for ancient history here in America? Heck, you ought be able to raise that much money if every guilt feeling liberal just went without their Starbucks for a couple of days.

You don't have to feel guilty to admit we have a problem and help address it.

I don't feel guilty, not in the least. Annoyed would be a better word for it.

Or at least get out of the way if you don't want to do anything about it.

I'm not in the way. Like I said, start a "guilt fund" and pass the offering plate--- I already pay too many taxes to cover other people's poor life choices. But if I do stand in the way, it will be standing up against lunacy and the never ending liberal plan to turn every possible voter out there into a "victim" so that they continue to vote for democrats.
 
With my rough life I don’t know where to look. It’s also odd that a black man named David Webb was said to have “White Privilege” benefits by a reporter on CNN while talking to him on the phone.


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I hear ya.....could of saved myself a lifetime of back breaking work, blood, sweat, and tears. Far too many race baiters nowadays with nothing else to do, except accuse others of being racist.....makes me sick. The vast majority of Americans, by far have grown and are NOT racist. Yes, there are some, but a small minority....yet if one listens to these yahoos, the whole country is plumb full of racists and bigots. Nothing but liars and losers, that's all. It's an election year, so they are forcing this bs down everybody's throats.
 
I hear ya.....could of saved myself a lifetime of back breaking work, blood, sweat, and tears. Far too many race baiters nowadays with nothing else to do, except accuse others of being racist.....makes me sick. The vast majority of Americans, by far have grown and are NOT racist. Yes, there are some, but a small minority....yet if one listens to these yahoos, the whole country is plumb full of racists and bigots. Nothing but liars and losers, that's all. It's an election year, so they are forcing this bs down everybody's throats.

A minority but not small by any means and living in fear with a fear monger in the WH. Fear is a great motivator.
 
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I hear ya.....could of saved myself a lifetime of back breaking work, blood, sweat, and tears. Far too many race baiters nowadays with nothing else to do, except accuse others of being racist.....makes me sick. The vast majority of Americans, by far have grown and are NOT racist. Yes, there are some, but a small minority....yet if one listens to these yahoos, the whole country is plumb full of racists and bigots. Nothing but liars and losers, that's all. It's an election year, so they are forcing this bs down everybody's throats.

26 charts that show how systemic racism is in the US - Business Insider
 
Racists only see black and white, neglecting character, heart, and sincerity.

Anyone who thinks individuals can or should always be judged without any regard to their broader sociological/historical/cultural context is either woefully naive or just wilfully trying to preserve some serious systematic abuses and unresolved issues in that society.
 
With my rough life I don’t know where to look. It’s also odd that a black man named David Webb was said to have “White Privilege” benefits by a reporter on CNN while talking to him on the phone.


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555-4357 for whatever "White Privilege" is.
 
Why does every right wing white person believe that their personal anecdotes completely negate four hundred ****ing years of oppression?

Sorry, Karen, but “this one time a cop was totally rude to me for no reason” isn’t the same.
This is like saying that my visiting a food bank is irrelevant because orphans in Kolkata have been starving for generations. Or that my joblessness is irrelevant because my ancestors weathered the Great Depression when many families didn't.

If my experiences are indistinguishable from those of a black person, of what relevance is the "four hundred years of oppression"? Of what use is my "privilege"?

The OP raises a valid criticism. White privilege is rank stereotyping. It presumes my life is relatively free of homelessness, joblessness, prejudice, persecution, and injustice as compared to my black neighbour because, statistically speaking, whites are generally better off than blacks. But of what good is an aggregate statistic to me personally? If you've put me on Team White whilst knowing jack all about me, and my personal anecdotes (which are my life, by the way) are irrelevant, you must be pretty confident that simply being white has inoculated me against the abuse and misfortune faced by an average black man. If so, where do I get my benefits card?

I was taught in school that stereotyping is a moral evil. That I'm not supposed to look at a black person and think, "Oh, there's a jobless thug who's been arrested ten times," or look at a white person and think, "Oh, there's a guy who's rich, successful, and is the pillar of the community." Fast forward to today and the new progressive dogma, apparently I am supposed to look at a black guy and think, "Poor bastard is an uneducated bum who can't get hired and has been jailed five times," and look at a white person and think, "There's a guy with wealth, no baggage, and a bright future." Oh, and by the way, if my personal experiences happen to contradict these stereotypes, to hell with my personal experiences because "four hundred bleeping years of oppression"... or something.

So call me names, stereotype me, disregard my experiences, and ignore my questions, but don't be surprised when "every right wing white person" doesn't suddenly come to share your point of view if this is how you defend it.
 
Sorry....can't dig out this way. You changed their language to your language. So you further seem to be determining all on your own that they meant "white dominant culture". I doubt it just from reading the context around their use of the term "whiteness". I think you best talk to them about their terminology before hauling off and deciding you know what THEY are talking about. Again, I seriously doubt you do just based on the context. You decided not to take their very detailed description of what they meant at face value . So I think I will stick with my initial thought that you are just another PROPAGANDIST. Try harder next time.
They define "whiteness" as "white dominant culture" in the very first paragraph of the infographic. To wit (ibid.): "White dominant culture, or whiteness, refers to white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States."

And how am I not taking what they've written at face value? Be specific.

I'd furthermore appreciate an answer to my question. Is society's "whiteness" a principal component of "white privilege" or not? If not, I'd appreciate a justification for this position since it runs contrary to everything I've read or heard about white privilege. If so, your criticism of post #22 is clearly unfounded.

I'm a reasonable man. Give me something to sink my teeth into here.
 
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You got them. Probably didn't know how to use them. Fortunately for me, I did. But was never able to convince myself I was not privileged. I was and knew it.

If you stay in school, stay off drugs, stay out of jail, have a job.....you have white privilege.
 
They define "whiteness" as "white dominant culture" in the very first paragraph of the infographic. To wit (ibid.): "White dominant culture, or whiteness, refers to white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States."

And how am I not taking what they've written at face value? Be specific.

I'd furthermore appreciate an answer to my question. Is society's "whiteness" a principal component of "white privilege" or not? If not, I'd appreciate a justification for this position since it runs contrary to everything I've read or heard about white privilege. If so, your criticism of post #22 is clearly unfounded.

I'm a reasonable man. Give me something to sink my teeth into here.

I didn't do more than briefly scan the grey box at the top of the poster. But I was scanning for the term "white privilege" since that was the term used throughout the thread and missed "white dominant culture" in that grey box because I was not looking for it. By the time I got to the bottom of the poster I did not know if I was seeing something from the NMAAHC historical collection or their continuing education program as by the time I got to the bottom, the overriding impression was that it seemed outdated enough to be questionable even from their own perspective.

Sure enough, it has been eliminated from their collection and they go to some lengths to tell their audience that they had eliminated it based on comments they received.
 
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Europe, not necessarily Germany or Britain. The breeding grounds of the WASP.

The English "Anglo Saxon" myth has been pretty much disproved by modern genetic tracing.

Take Shakespeare, Chaucer and English Common Law and that is about all England has contributed beyond ruthless Imperialism.

Where did England learn about "ruthless imperialism" other than from ruthless imperialists which preceded their time- including the Romans and Greeks? But along the way invading imperialist forces brought with them philosophy and engineering--the building blocks of modern societies. You can say what you want about the British, but they taught much of the world that there are better ways to do things than peeling bananas with your feet.

Germany has precision machining and not much more. The only thing that distinguishes Germany and Saxony from Britain is that Germany engaged in neighborly Imperialism as opposed to long distance Imperialism.

Well, I suppose that is one way to see it. Another way to see it was that the British isles were sorely lacking in some of the natural resources available being that they were surrounded by water.

Europe WOULD have had a good thing going if they could get along.

You claiming that all indigenous people in the New World all "got along"? LOL Tell some guy having his heart cut out on an Aztec alter how well his tribe "got along" with the Aztecs.

Britain for all of its Imperial adventures ended up flat broke and busted...

You can thank FDR for that, probably the only brilliant thing he ever did leaving Britain to languish alone long enough prior to 1941 so that the transfer or British wealth to the United States via "cash and carry" along with the loss of British colonies during that time FORCED a new global political alignment post WW2.


Their empire was surely far flung but they had no earthly idea what to do with it.

Other than it spreading a blueprint for superior societies to the dark corners of the planet.

We were smart enough to throw off Monarchy, without any question the worst form of Governance ever conceived by man, worse than Communism, worse than Socialism, worse than Fascism. Monarchy is simply autocracy by heredity.

It wasn't personal, it was business to quote Don Corleone---nothing more. From the British perspective they were providing to the American colonies protection from the French aspirations of global domination...something we ought to have been more grateful for. Otherwise, America today could be as silly a place as Quebec is.

What saved us is what doomed Europe to endless strife and conflict. Our diversity and our freedom from Monarchy is what distinguishes us. We took in Immigrants from everywhere, often from Europe fleeing the lunacy of European conflict to flourish and prosper away from all that European hereditary nonsense. Diversity and Freedom have been our twin pillars. Now think about how far afield of those two concepts is Trumpism.
GOOD LUCK.

You are missing something, and that is we took in immigrants who then assimilated to OUR CULTURE and then that added to our success. Multi-culturalism is why Europe is diminishing today. They take in every kind of inferior culture and then allow those cultures to gain steam and subvert what used to be a better way.

Diversity is fine if we are just talking about what kind of foods you eat during holidays and the language you speak to your grandparents. How well is "diversity" working out in those muslim controlled "no go zones" in Europe or, how well is that "diversity" doing on the streets of Los Angeles where half of the people don't speak English and the city now looks like a 3rd world country packed with street vendors and 'donkey carts'?

They were not interested in your version of "progress". What a foolish, ignorant argument. Would Native Americans have been any less happy if they were left to their own devices? What makes European civilization so superior. Oh I know....MORE firepower.

It is up to you to decide which culture is superior and which is inferior. Me personally, I am happy not to have to follow the herds of animals around hunting for food while living in a hut. But lets be honest about that too. Native American hunters were not even as successful at hunting until after the Spanish gave them horses--- and then later the French gave them rifles. It is the destiny of every hunter gatherer culture to fade away under the pressure of more advanced cultures. That isn't evil, it is simply natural.
 
Oh yes, 1979/80. Civil service, I talked to their HR department, the department had to meet a quota.

No they didn’t.
 
This is like saying that my visiting a food bank is irrelevant because orphans in Kolkata have been starving for generations. Or that my joblessness is irrelevant because my ancestors weathered the Great Depression when many families didn't.
Nobody said your struggles don’t matter, the **** are you talking about?

If my experiences are indistinguishable from those of a black person, of what relevance is the "four hundred years of oppression"? Of what use is my "privilege"?
Your experiences are, in fact, distinguishable from those of a black person.

OP raises a valid criticism. White privilege is rank stereotyping. It presumes my life is relatively free of homelessness, joblessness, prejudice, persecution, and injustice as compared to my black neighbour because, statistically speaking, whites are generally better off than blacks. But of what good is an aggregate statistic to me personally? If you've put me on Team White whilst knowing jack all about me, and my personal anecdotes (which are my life, by the way) are irrelevant, you must be pretty confident that simply being white has inoculated me against the abuse and misfortune faced by an average black man. If so, where do I get my benefits card?
That’s not what white privilege says at all. Seriously what planet did you read this propaganda on?

You’re very very angry about arguments nobody is ****ing making. Nobody said your life was cushy. Nobody said you didn’t face hardship. Nobody said your hardships don’t matter. Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that ONE TYPE OF HARDSHIP AMONG MANY is one you are fortunate enough to not experience?
 
Nobody said your struggles don’t matter, the **** are you talking about?
How did you expect me to interpret "Sorry, Karen, but 'this one time a cop was totally rude to me for no reason' isn’t the same.", and "Why does every right wing white person believe that their personal anecdotes completely negate four hundred ****ing years of oppression"?

If the meaning of these comments isn't "Suck it up, COTO. Nobody cares about your First World problems.", that's nevertheless how it comes across.

Your experiences are, in fact, distinguishable from those of a black person.
On what basis? You don't know the first thing about me. Pick one of my black neighbours, you don't know the first thing about him. All you have is stereotypes and broad statistical averages.

That’s not what white privilege says at all.
Yes or no, the white privilege dogma would have me believe that black people are categorically oppressed, exploited, ostracized, and shunted to the margins of society?

If no, then give us the true meaning of white privilege.

If yes, then post #85 is exactly what privilege is saying. Unless you want me to look at a black man and see him as oppressed, exploited, ostracized, and shunted to the margins of society but somehow also believe he isn't poorer, less educated, underemployed, and more likely to have been incarcerated. In which case I'll ask you to explain how this magical thinking is supposed to work.

Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that ONE TYPE OF HARDSHIP AMONG MANY is one you are fortunate enough to not experience?
Perhaps I misunderstand. What specific type of hardship have I not experienced that every black man has?

Racism? Bigotry? Persecution? Being part of a minority? Feeling ostracized and marginalized by society?
 
Privilege, regardless of ones skin colour, results from the effort one exercises in making themselves seen as valued in a profitable way to both themselves AND other members of society.
Learn from your mistakes and bad choices and take corrective action.
If there is no employment opportunities where you reside, the ONLY reasonable and rational option would be to relocate to where such opportunities exist.
 
You claiming that all indigenous people in the New World all "got along"? LOL Tell some guy having his heart cut out on an Aztec alter how well his tribe "got along" with the Aztecs.

So you are going to have to point out to me where I keyed that in my post. I don't see it anywhere. But then again putting words in poster's mouths is standard far from the Right at this forum.


You can thank FDR for that, probably the only brilliant thing he ever did leaving Britain to languish alone long enough prior to 1941 so that the transfer or British wealth to the United States via "cash and carry" along with the loss of British colonies during that time FORCED a new global political alignment post WW2.




Other than it spreading a blueprint for superior societies to the dark corners of the planet.

Superior by who's measure, your's?



It wasn't personal, it was business to quote Don Corleone---nothing more. From the British perspective they were providing to the American colonies protection from the French aspirations of global domination...something we ought to have been more grateful for. Otherwise, America today could be as silly a place as Quebec is.

That's rich.


You are missing something, and that is we took in immigrants who then assimilated to OUR CULTURE and then that added to our success. Multi-culturalism is why Europe is diminishing today. They take in every kind of inferior culture and then allow those cultures to gain steam and subvert what used to be a better way.

Again you are putting words in my mouth. I did not post "Multi-culturalism". I posted Diversity.

Diversity is fine if we are just talking about what kind of foods you eat during holidays and the language you speak to your grandparents. How well is "diversity" working out in those muslim controlled "no go zones" in Europe or, how well is that "diversity" doing on the streets of Los Angeles where half of the people don't speak English and the city now looks like a 3rd world country packed with street vendors and 'donkey carts'?

Oh thats the best one yet. So many advances that benefit this country have come from its diversity that its not even funny unless you want to claim that all of the advances made in this country can be traced back to somebody that showed up on the Mayflower or sprung from Jamestown. By the way diet is culture, not diversity. You are confusing the two. You should figure it out before you try to make an argument about either.

It is up to you to decide which culture is superior and which is inferior. Me personally, I am happy not to have to follow the herds of animals around hunting for food while living in a hut. But lets be honest about that too. Native American hunters were not even as successful at hunting until after the Spanish gave them horses--- and then later the French gave them rifles. It is the destiny of every hunter gatherer culture to fade away under the pressure of more advanced cultures. That isn't evil, it is simply natural.

Quant but unresponsive. The question that was obvious was not whether you are happier but if Native Americans are happier. I would strongly suggest you check out American History and then check out the plight of Native Americans before you decide if THEY are happier. I guess you could say categorically that there are a few casino owners that are happier and a few oil lease holders in Oklahoma that are happier. Other than that, NOT SO MUCH would be my guess.
 
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Re: What number do I call to get my “White Privilege” benefits?

A rich person has more privileges than a poor person. Rich African Americans has more privileges than a poor white person, but at the end of the day, that rich black person is going to worry about his teenage son being stopped by police more than white people will within any economic level. If you have ever watched the whole Sterling Brown video, where after committing a traffic violation in the early morning hours one can see that these police wanted to mess with him. He has at the parking lot for over an hour, being talked to by MANY police officers. Wouldn't you think if he was being "detained" and not arrested that they would know he had no weapons in his pockets? They were milling around putting their backs to him at times and chatting away. The whole quibble was over him being his hands in his pockets an hour later? Seems like weird police protocols to me at the very least of it. Anyway, this is just one example. Brown was in the wrong. Give him a ticket and go about your and his own business.

Sterling Brown video proves fame and fortune won’t protect athletes from police abuse — The Undefeated


I presume I won't be stopped by the police walking down a street BECAUSE I am white. Why do you think regular black citizens who have NEVER committed a crime in their life, presume they will could be stopped? Why is it so hard for white men to determine that they have more privileges than white women and people (both sexes) of all colors?
 
The English "Anglo Saxon" myth has been pretty much disproved by modern genetic tracing.

Here you are mixing genetics with environment. Which is why I separated it off to a new post. You actually answered this question yourself in your acknowledgement that Britain had little in the way of raw materials. Neither did Germany and that is the genesis of their Imperialistic intentions. The only dif....Britain developed sea power and engaged in long range Imperialism and Germany in the main stuck with trying to conquer its immediate neighbors.

Napoleon was a ruthless conquerer. But at least the French had something to offer the world. Their art was better. Their sex was better. Their food was better. Just about everything was better. To this day, the language of diplomacy is French, NOT ENGLISH or GERMAN.

The Roman Empire had better art, better sex, better food and they linked the continent, ruthlessly as do all conquerers. They did not have much in the way of skin color paranoia either. Which of course meant that Anglos thought them inferior.

Even Spain had better food and they had religion as their go to Imperialistic enterprise. Madonna!!!!

The Ottoman Empire may not have much to recommend it. Trade and trade routes is about all they had that endured.

The Russians were crooks then and crooks now. That is literally all they ever had to offer anybody....thievery and corruption from Imperial Russia through several forms of half assed governance to todays half assed form of governance. Too many people living off of too few resources will do that for ya'.

The English had coal and .....ah.....coal and ah ......coal and Germany had about the same. The English could sail and the Germans could bend metal and ultimately machine tool. But the English did have Shakespeare, Chaucer and English Common Law. Germany had very little of that. Germany had Luther.....whoopdie-ding dong. Since the German go to game plan was to fight they were good at weaponry to a degree. They developed machine weapons that could stay in the field about all of 5 minutes. Dr. Porsche developed their tank transmission, an exquisite piece of engineering that would not run very long and that just about required Dr. Porsche's personal assistance to repair. It would not run long but while it ran, it was smooth baby....smooth.
 
Re: What number do I call to get my “White Privilege� benefits?

A rich person has more privileges than a poor person. Rich African Americans has more privileges than a poor white person, but at the end of the day, that rich black person is going to worry about his teenage son being stopped by police more than white people will within any economic level. If you have ever watched the whole Sterling Brown video, where after committing a traffic violation in the early morning hours one can see that these police wanted to mess with him. He has at the parking lot for over an hour, being talked to by MANY police officers. Wouldn't you think if he was being "detained" and not arrested that they would know he had no weapons in his pockets? They were milling around putting their backs to him at times and chatting away. The whole quibble was over him being his hands in his pockets an hour later? Seems like weird police protocols to me at the very least of it. Anyway, this is just one example. Brown was in the wrong. Give him a ticket and go about your and his own business.

Sterling Brown video proves fame and fortune won’t protect athletes from police abuse — The Undefeated


I presume I won't be stopped by the police walking down a street BECAUSE I am white. Why do you think regular black citizens who have NEVER committed a crime in their life, presume they will could be stopped? Why is it so hard for white men to determine that they have more privileges than white women and people (both sexes) of all colors?

Bull****, I’m white and I’ve been stopped by the police before. Try again!


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