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No, but I was rejected because it was an Affirmative Action hire only, and I was White
No you weren’t.
No, but I was rejected because it was an Affirmative Action hire only, and I was White
Nah- the problems caused by 4 centuries of chattel slavery and systematic racism are sociologically/economically/culturally very complex, and will take a few generations to dig out from.
Folks who still were dealing with "whites only" bathrooms, forced to sit in the back of the bus, not having access to the same schools, not being allowed to vote, etc... are still around to tell you all about it.
No other minority has had all THAT to deal with. And the problem is that skin color is such a visibly obvious thing that all the social stigmata that go with it are hard to shake off that easily. The Irish, Poles, Italians, etc... had a much easier time blending in to the general population and rest of society. Skin tone is visible to everyone the second they see you- and so you immediately get labeled with a lot of baggage and assumptions and pre-judgments. It is is like the scarlet letter in our society.
You don't have to feel guilty to admit we have a problem and help address it.
Or at least get out of the way if you don't want to do anything about it.
With my rough life I don’t know where to look. It’s also odd that a black man named David Webb was said to have “White Privilege” benefits by a reporter on CNN while talking to him on the phone.
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I hear ya.....could of saved myself a lifetime of back breaking work, blood, sweat, and tears. Far too many race baiters nowadays with nothing else to do, except accuse others of being racist.....makes me sick. The vast majority of Americans, by far have grown and are NOT racist. Yes, there are some, but a small minority....yet if one listens to these yahoos, the whole country is plumb full of racists and bigots. Nothing but liars and losers, that's all. It's an election year, so they are forcing this bs down everybody's throats.
I hear ya.....could of saved myself a lifetime of back breaking work, blood, sweat, and tears. Far too many race baiters nowadays with nothing else to do, except accuse others of being racist.....makes me sick. The vast majority of Americans, by far have grown and are NOT racist. Yes, there are some, but a small minority....yet if one listens to these yahoos, the whole country is plumb full of racists and bigots. Nothing but liars and losers, that's all. It's an election year, so they are forcing this bs down everybody's throats.
No you weren’t.
Racists only see black and white, neglecting character, heart, and sincerity.
With my rough life I don’t know where to look. It’s also odd that a black man named David Webb was said to have “White Privilege” benefits by a reporter on CNN while talking to him on the phone.
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This is like saying that my visiting a food bank is irrelevant because orphans in Kolkata have been starving for generations. Or that my joblessness is irrelevant because my ancestors weathered the Great Depression when many families didn't.Why does every right wing white person believe that their personal anecdotes completely negate four hundred ****ing years of oppression?
Sorry, Karen, but “this one time a cop was totally rude to me for no reason” isn’t the same.
They define "whiteness" as "white dominant culture" in the very first paragraph of the infographic. To wit (ibid.): "White dominant culture, or whiteness, refers to white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States."Sorry....can't dig out this way. You changed their language to your language. So you further seem to be determining all on your own that they meant "white dominant culture". I doubt it just from reading the context around their use of the term "whiteness". I think you best talk to them about their terminology before hauling off and deciding you know what THEY are talking about. Again, I seriously doubt you do just based on the context. You decided not to take their very detailed description of what they meant at face value . So I think I will stick with my initial thought that you are just another PROPAGANDIST. Try harder next time.
You got them. Probably didn't know how to use them. Fortunately for me, I did. But was never able to convince myself I was not privileged. I was and knew it.
You got them. Probably didn't know how to use them. Fortunately for me, I did. But was never able to convince myself I was not privileged. I was and knew it.
They define "whiteness" as "white dominant culture" in the very first paragraph of the infographic. To wit (ibid.): "White dominant culture, or whiteness, refers to white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States."
And how am I not taking what they've written at face value? Be specific.
I'd furthermore appreciate an answer to my question. Is society's "whiteness" a principal component of "white privilege" or not? If not, I'd appreciate a justification for this position since it runs contrary to everything I've read or heard about white privilege. If so, your criticism of post #22 is clearly unfounded.
I'm a reasonable man. Give me something to sink my teeth into here.
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Europe, not necessarily Germany or Britain. The breeding grounds of the WASP.
Take Shakespeare, Chaucer and English Common Law and that is about all England has contributed beyond ruthless Imperialism.
Germany has precision machining and not much more. The only thing that distinguishes Germany and Saxony from Britain is that Germany engaged in neighborly Imperialism as opposed to long distance Imperialism.
Europe WOULD have had a good thing going if they could get along.
Britain for all of its Imperial adventures ended up flat broke and busted...
Their empire was surely far flung but they had no earthly idea what to do with it.
We were smart enough to throw off Monarchy, without any question the worst form of Governance ever conceived by man, worse than Communism, worse than Socialism, worse than Fascism. Monarchy is simply autocracy by heredity.
What saved us is what doomed Europe to endless strife and conflict. Our diversity and our freedom from Monarchy is what distinguishes us. We took in Immigrants from everywhere, often from Europe fleeing the lunacy of European conflict to flourish and prosper away from all that European hereditary nonsense. Diversity and Freedom have been our twin pillars. Now think about how far afield of those two concepts is Trumpism.
GOOD LUCK.
They were not interested in your version of "progress". What a foolish, ignorant argument. Would Native Americans have been any less happy if they were left to their own devices? What makes European civilization so superior. Oh I know....MORE firepower.
Oh yes, 1979/80. Civil service, I talked to their HR department, the department had to meet a quota.
Nobody said your struggles don’t matter, the **** are you talking about?This is like saying that my visiting a food bank is irrelevant because orphans in Kolkata have been starving for generations. Or that my joblessness is irrelevant because my ancestors weathered the Great Depression when many families didn't.
Your experiences are, in fact, distinguishable from those of a black person.If my experiences are indistinguishable from those of a black person, of what relevance is the "four hundred years of oppression"? Of what use is my "privilege"?
That’s not what white privilege says at all. Seriously what planet did you read this propaganda on?OP raises a valid criticism. White privilege is rank stereotyping. It presumes my life is relatively free of homelessness, joblessness, prejudice, persecution, and injustice as compared to my black neighbour because, statistically speaking, whites are generally better off than blacks. But of what good is an aggregate statistic to me personally? If you've put me on Team White whilst knowing jack all about me, and my personal anecdotes (which are my life, by the way) are irrelevant, you must be pretty confident that simply being white has inoculated me against the abuse and misfortune faced by an average black man. If so, where do I get my benefits card?
How did you expect me to interpret "Sorry, Karen, but 'this one time a cop was totally rude to me for no reason' isn’t the same.", and "Why does every right wing white person believe that their personal anecdotes completely negate four hundred ****ing years of oppression"?Nobody said your struggles don’t matter, the **** are you talking about?
On what basis? You don't know the first thing about me. Pick one of my black neighbours, you don't know the first thing about him. All you have is stereotypes and broad statistical averages.Your experiences are, in fact, distinguishable from those of a black person.
Yes or no, the white privilege dogma would have me believe that black people are categorically oppressed, exploited, ostracized, and shunted to the margins of society?That’s not what white privilege says at all.
Perhaps I misunderstand. What specific type of hardship have I not experienced that every black man has?Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that ONE TYPE OF HARDSHIP AMONG MANY is one you are fortunate enough to not experience?
You claiming that all indigenous people in the New World all "got along"? LOL Tell some guy having his heart cut out on an Aztec alter how well his tribe "got along" with the Aztecs.
Other than it spreading a blueprint for superior societies to the dark corners of the planet.
It wasn't personal, it was business to quote Don Corleone---nothing more. From the British perspective they were providing to the American colonies protection from the French aspirations of global domination...something we ought to have been more grateful for. Otherwise, America today could be as silly a place as Quebec is.
You are missing something, and that is we took in immigrants who then assimilated to OUR CULTURE and then that added to our success. Multi-culturalism is why Europe is diminishing today. They take in every kind of inferior culture and then allow those cultures to gain steam and subvert what used to be a better way.
Diversity is fine if we are just talking about what kind of foods you eat during holidays and the language you speak to your grandparents. How well is "diversity" working out in those muslim controlled "no go zones" in Europe or, how well is that "diversity" doing on the streets of Los Angeles where half of the people don't speak English and the city now looks like a 3rd world country packed with street vendors and 'donkey carts'?
It is up to you to decide which culture is superior and which is inferior. Me personally, I am happy not to have to follow the herds of animals around hunting for food while living in a hut. But lets be honest about that too. Native American hunters were not even as successful at hunting until after the Spanish gave them horses--- and then later the French gave them rifles. It is the destiny of every hunter gatherer culture to fade away under the pressure of more advanced cultures. That isn't evil, it is simply natural.
The English "Anglo Saxon" myth has been pretty much disproved by modern genetic tracing.
A rich person has more privileges than a poor person. Rich African Americans has more privileges than a poor white person, but at the end of the day, that rich black person is going to worry about his teenage son being stopped by police more than white people will within any economic level. If you have ever watched the whole Sterling Brown video, where after committing a traffic violation in the early morning hours one can see that these police wanted to mess with him. He has at the parking lot for over an hour, being talked to by MANY police officers. Wouldn't you think if he was being "detained" and not arrested that they would know he had no weapons in his pockets? They were milling around putting their backs to him at times and chatting away. The whole quibble was over him being his hands in his pockets an hour later? Seems like weird police protocols to me at the very least of it. Anyway, this is just one example. Brown was in the wrong. Give him a ticket and go about your and his own business.
Sterling Brown video proves fame and fortune won’t protect athletes from police abuse — The Undefeated
I presume I won't be stopped by the police walking down a street BECAUSE I am white. Why do you think regular black citizens who have NEVER committed a crime in their life, presume they will could be stopped? Why is it so hard for white men to determine that they have more privileges than white women and people (both sexes) of all colors?