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Maybe for the village idiot. :mrgreen:
He didn't start any new wars.
he hasn't caused any new recessions.
that's gonna be good enough for most people
Bush did indeed end the gun running that was later expanded by the chump in chief.
show us any cite which supports your contention
fast and furious was but a successor to the shrub's gunwalking activities
Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300
Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000
Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature tracking devices and constant surveillance from ground and air.
Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used, no surveillance was made whatsoever.
Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers every step of their trip from the gun store to the US/Mexico border.
Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store. The only surveillance was made through the gun store own video cameras; after gun smugglers left the store, the ATF agents were expressly ordered not to pursue.
Wide Receiver - Mexican army and police was in the loop about Wide Receiver. They took over the surveillance of the gun smugglers after they crossed with the guns in Mexico.
Fast & Furious - Mexican authorities were kept in the dark by the ATF and the US DOJ. They had no idea about Fast & Furious and the fact that guns provided to gun smugglers by the American authorities were "walked" in Mexico into the hands of drug cartel murderers.
Wide Receiver - When a small number of guns (30-40) were lost due to the malfunctioning tracking devices and / or because the gun smugglers figured out they were watched from a surveillance airplane flying overhead and learned how to take cover and evade, the operation Wide Receiver was immediately aborted and cancelled.
Fast and Furious - Operation continued even after ATF and DOJ lost track of all 2,000 guns sold to Mexican drug cartels
Wide Receiver - The operation was planned in such a way the gun smugglers and their cargo were kept under surveillance step by step, from the gun store to the US/Mexico border, across the border into Mexico and to their final destination: the hands of the drug cartel killers. This led to 1,400 arrests made in joint operations by the Mexican authorities and DEA and ATF agents. No lost Wide Receiver guns were recovered at crime scenes in Mexico or the US.
Fast & Furious - The operation was planned to let the guns go without any surveillance. Guns were supposed to be recovered at the murder scenes. One of the 150+ murder scenes where Fast & Furious guns were recovered was that of US border patrol agent Brian Terry; another one was the murder scene of ICE agent Jaime Zapata. So far DOJ and ATF didn't came with any explanation about how they were planning to make arrests of the drug cartel murderers BEFORE THEY KILLED PEOPLE with the Fast & Furious guns, and how they were supposed to do those arrest in Mexico without the Mexican authorities knowing anything about this operation.
Fast & Furious results: 300+Mexican citizens murdered; 2 US Federal agents murdered. And then Holder, who attempted to blame his disastrous actions on Bush, was forced to recant his statements.
Heres more info on the operation under Bush where nobody died....
ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
glad to see you have given up on the 'bush has stopped the gunwalking' argument
all you have offered now is to compare and contrast two failed ATF operations. not sure why you felt the need
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063319809 said:Maybe for the village idiot. :mrgreen:
Uhh, Bush did stop the gunwalking, silly monkey. In 2007.
Obama restarted, greatly (and unsafely) expanded it in 2009, and now over 300 people are dead. Now go get your banana.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/
while i am enjoying my banana split, please show me where the shrub ended his gunwalking program
See the links I spoon fed you, 2007. Eric Holder made your same discredited claims, and he was forced to recant his statement. You really should be thanking me for educating you.
nope
it does not say that the program ended in 2007
find a chimp to read it for you. or, if you insist i am wrong, copy and paste the statement showing the shrub ended his gunrunning activities in 2007
hint: you are assuming something which is not stated
now go get me that excerpt or fetch me my banana
Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded.
You have slipped on your peel, monkey. Hope I dont have to rub your monkey face in the article for you to be able to read.
i missed the part where the shrub ended that program
try again
| Moderator's Warning: |
Well, Osama Bin Laden is dead and he kept the economy from spiraling into a full-blown depression. Gay rights have advanced more during his presidency than they did during all presidencies before him combined. Health insurance is more available to people with pre-existing conditions or who couldn't afford it (I'd like to do away with the insurance model altogether, but it's a step in the right direction). Europe respects our presidency more than she did when the Duke and Duchess of Hazzard were occupying the White House. We're mostly out of Iraq.
Obama's got a lot of blood on his hands with the continuing drone program, the GITMO fiasco (which Congress, both parties, shares most of the blame for), the NSA snooping (no excuse whatsoever for this trampling on our rights) and the escalation of the quagmire known as Afghanistan. The economy hasn't recovered as well as it's capable, but Obama's far from the only person to blame for that. But to claim (as you seem to be) that Obama is without accomplishments, especially with the opposition party taking him out at the knees at every conceivable opportunity, is nothing to sneeze at.
I give Obama a C+. I gave Clinton and Reagan a B. I gave Bush II a D.
You do recall... the Party of Obama had control of both chambers? He could have rammed through almost anything and he did.
I am happy to see any and every knee capping of this idiot. Stopping any and every one of his destructive socialist schemes. He's spent 6 trillion... whada we have for it? Nada.
Fewer people have insurance.
There is no ferderal right to gay marriage. They are state issues.
Obama has prevented the economy from recovering and has wasted a trillion a year with his idiocies.
ObamaKare is an abortion. Perhaps it's why it's so dear to Demokrat's hearts.
I do like his drone program. But watch when a R takes the helm and continues it. I predict protests by the dimwitted leftists here and in Europe.
GITMO... I like the terrorists rotting where they are.
Obama has been a buffoon in foreign policy, and pissed in the face of the Afghani's. Not wise. Today we learn Karzai won't meet with him. The Saudi's kicked Obama in the balls and told him to piss off (not covered in the press).
Obama has virtually no positive accomplishements. He is an incompetent with a Dr. Seuss world view.
I look forward to having adults running the show instead of some 3rd rate Commi Organizer.
You do recall... the Party of Obama had control of both chambers? He could have rammed through almost anything and he did.
I am happy to see any and every knee capping of this idiot. Stopping any and every one of his destructive socialist schemes. He's spent 6 trillion... whada we have for it? Nada.
Fewer people have insurance.
There is no ferderal right to gay marriage. They are state issues.
Obama has prevented the economy from recovering and has wasted a trillion a year with his idiocies.
ObamaKare is an abortion. Perhaps it's why it's so dear to Demokrat's hearts.
I do like his drone program. But watch when a R takes the helm and continues it. I predict protests by the dimwitted leftists here and in Europe.
GITMO... I like the terrorists rotting where they are.
Obama has been a buffoon in foreign policy, and pissed in the face of the Afghani's. Not wise. Today we learn Karzai won't meet with him. The Saudi's kicked Obama in the balls and told him to piss off (not covered in the press).
Obama has virtually no positive accomplishements. He is an incompetent with a Dr. Seuss world view.
I look forward to having adults running the show instead of some 3rd rate Commi Organizer.
Nailed it. And like a cheap prostitute hes now in Astan, trying his chump best to do damage control. But we know. And so will voters this fall.
Obama 2014 YES! oh, wait....
Mid terms, turbo. When the dems lose the senate.
the democrats could still keep control of the senate.
Could, but its looking increasingly like they wont.
Could, but its looking increasingly like they wont.
Could I ask you a personal question? Do you also read palms or tea leaves too?
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