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What lessons can Canada teach America about deadly gun violence?

Allan

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Interesting article that details some of the processes Canada has in place to prevent gun violence. The article recognizes that Canada is different - we don't have a 2nd Amendment for example. But it's worth looking at some of the laws Canada has that would probably not violate the 2A and do seem to work.

America is a nation saturated by guns, with more firearms than people. According to the Small Arms Research project, there are 121 firearms for every 100 residents.

Nowhere else compares. But Canada is one of the western nations that comes closest, with an estimated 35 guns per 100 residents.

Still, mass shootings in Canada are so rare, public safety authorities tell us they don't even keep an official list.

For one, Canadian law requires citizens to undergo robust background checks and mandatory training before obtaining a gun license.

And unlike some training programs, students are not the only ones gathering information. Instructors serve as a first line of defense, observing and making note of any students they determine should not own a gun.

Another difference between the US and Canada: waiting periods before one can obtain a gun.

In Canada, residents seeking to purchase a firearm must wait 28 days before taking possession. By contrast, in the United States, there is no federal waiting period if an applicant passes a government criminal database check.

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Interesting article that details some of the processes Canada has in place to prevent gun violence. The article recognizes that Canada is different - we don't have a 2nd Amendment for example. But it's worth looking at some of the laws Canada has that would probably not violate the 2A and do seem to work.
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We don't need more laws which impact good citizens. We need laws which target the criminals who use guns., We need penalties for gun crimes to border on the inhuman.

Until we decide that it's time to address the criminals, we won't move forward on addressing gun violence in this country...
 
How do waiting periods help? Once you have a gun, whether it is immediately or four weeks after the purchase, you can kill people with it.

The only solution is get rid of "keep and bear arms without infringement" in 2A. Of course that will never happen.
 
We don't need more laws which impact good citizens. We need laws which target the criminals who use guns., We need penalties for gun crimes to border on the inhuman.

Until we decide that it's time to address the criminals, we won't move forward on addressing gun violence in this country...
Nothing Canada does prevents 'good citizens' from owning guns. It just does a better job of identifying who are the good guys. Current US laws are a sieve that allow almost everyone through and the processes that would identify when someone later becomes dangerous aren't rigorous enough.
 
We don't need more laws which impact good citizens. We need laws which target the criminals who use guns., We need penalties for gun crimes to border on the inhuman.

Until we decide that it's time to address the criminals, we won't move forward on addressing gun violence in this country...

Democrats have been addressing criminals while respecting good citizens ever since the party came into existence. You want to believe the Second Amendment is supposed to be interpreted literally. Well guess what? That was never true.
 
How do waiting periods help? Once you have a gun, whether it is immediately or four weeks after the purchase, you can kill people with it.

The only solution is get rid of "keep and bear arms without infringement" in 2A. Of course that will never happen.

Yeah, I'm sure this fine upstanding young man will turn in his firearms once the 2nd Amendment is abolished...

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Nothing Canada does prevents 'good citizens' from owning guns. It just does a better job of identifying who are the good guys. Current US laws are a sieve that allow almost everyone through and the processes that would identify when someone later becomes dangerous aren't rigorous enough.

Every single law, without exception, which is enacted has an impact only on law abiding citizens...
 
Democrats have been addressing criminals while respecting good citizens ever since the party came into existence. You want to believe the Second Amendment is supposed to be interpreted literally. Well guess what? That was never true.

The Hell they have. They've done nothing...
 
Nothing Canada does prevents 'good citizens' from owning guns. It just does a better job of identifying who are the good guys. Current US laws are a sieve that allow almost everyone through and the processes that would identify when someone later becomes dangerous aren't rigorous enough.
The rebuttals you will get are from people who didn't bother reading the link you provided.

Mention "guns" to an American audience, and you won't get a measured or reasonable response, it is like arguing against pit bulls to a pit bull owner.
I tend NOT to post OPs about guns, because when you criticize a "culture" (and we all know guns is the American culture) you will be told to go mind your own damn business because you are Canadian and don't know shit.

Sighs.
 
The rebuttals you will get are from people who didn't bother reading the link you provided.

Mention "guns" to an American audience, and you won't get a measured or reasonable response, it is like arguing against pit bulls to a pit bull owner.
I tend NOT to post OPs about guns, because when you criticize a "culture" (and we all know guns is the American culture) you will be told to go mind your own damn business because you are Canadian and don't know shit.

Sighs.
How about not ****ing up every single OP with your anti-American shit.
 
Yeah, I'm sure this fine upstanding young man will turn in his firearms once the 2nd Amendment is abolished...

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have you looked at the demographic of every school shooting, every church shooting, every synagogue shooting, other mass shootings? easy to post a racist trope to back up your claims (and ignoring that most black shootings are black on black, where most mass shootings are done by whites).
NOT that you will even bother checking this list out:
But as I said to Allan, any mention of guns is taken SO personally no reasonable debate can be had with a U.S. gun owner.

Next: you will now hurl some insults and snide remarks my way.
 
Every single law, without exception, which is enacted has an impact only on law abiding citizens...
That's simply not true. All of the processes detailed in the article would apply to everyone who wants to own a gun. Law abiding citizens get them with a couple of extra steps, those who are not law abiding don't. Criminals will still get guns, as they do in Canada, but it becomes just a bit harder.

You cannot go with no laws because some people won't obey them. There will always be drunk drivers, but you still have laws around licensing drivers and mitigating for DUI.
 
How about not ****ing up every single OP with your anti-American shit.
Happens to be true, look at the rebuttals you are getting.
 
It's not the guns that differentiate Canada from the United States.

Canada has fewer violence-prone people.
 
It's not the guns that differentiate Canada from the United States.

Canada has fewer violence-prone people.
All the more reason to put some controls in place on the primary instrument of violence in the US.
 
All the more reason to put some controls in place on the primary instrument of violence in the US.
That sounds very reasonable.

But violent people are always able to get hold of firearms.

Let's not forget there have been controls on drugs entering this country, too, but our porous borders make it impossible to enforce those laws. So guns can easily get past our borders, too.
 
You cannot go with no laws because some people won't obey them. There will always be drunk drivers, but you still have laws around licensing drivers and mitigating for DUI.
The issue is that if one wanted to only reduce drunk drivers, they would not invent driver's licenses for everyone.
 
I wouldn't mind American gun laws borrowing some things from Canada. Short Barreled Shotgun laws, for instance.
 
Interesting article that details some of the processes Canada has in place to prevent gun violence. The article recognizes that Canada is different - we don't have a 2nd Amendment for example. But it's worth looking at some of the laws Canada has that would probably not violate the 2A and do seem to work.



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Licenses and mandatory training do violate the 2A, such requirements would make gun ownership into a privilege. Gun ownership is not a privilege in the USA its a right as identified by the 2A.
 
How do waiting periods help? Once you have a gun, whether it is immediately or four weeks after the purchase, you can kill people with it.
You can also kill people with cars, knives, bare hands, etc.
The only solution is get rid of "keep and bear arms without infringement" in 2A. Of course that will never happen.
That would require two thirds of the House, two thirds of the Senate, and three fourths of the state legislatures, good luck with that.
 
Mention "guns" to an American audience, and you won't get a measured or reasonable response, it is like arguing against pit bulls to a pit bull owner.
So are you against pit bull ownership?
 
Yeah, I'm sure this fine upstanding young man will turn in his firearms once the 2nd Amendment is abolished...

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Your bias is obvious. Or maybe it's just the shading of the photo. Marjorie Taylor Greene campaigned on a photo of herself holding an assault style rifle next to a photo of "The Squad".
 
The rebuttals you will get are from people who didn't bother reading the link you provided.

Mention "guns" to an American audience, and you won't get a measured or reasonable response, it is like arguing against pit bulls to a pit bull owner.
I tend NOT to post OPs about guns, because when you criticize a "culture" (and we all know guns is the American culture) you will be told to go mind your own damn business because you are Canadian and don't know shit.

Sighs.

The rebuttals will largely center on one very important difference - in the US owning a gun is a Constitutional right, which may be removed only by due process of law, while in Canada owning a gun is a state issued privilege (much like driving on public roadways).
 
Nothing Canada does prevents 'good citizens' from owning guns. It just does a better job of identifying who are the good guys. Current US laws are a sieve that allow almost everyone through and the processes that would identify when someone later becomes dangerous aren't rigorous enough.
Most of US gun violence comes from guns bought by illegal methods. So how are more laws going to fix that?
 
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