What Islam is not.

Kal'Stang · Feb 2, 2009

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It's a video about Islamic progression in the world and the effects seen because of it as more and more Islamists enter other countries.

bub · Feb 2, 2009

Kal'Stang said:
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It's a video about Islamic progression in the world and the effects seen because of it as more and more Islamists enter other countries.

That's funny, I live in a city where there are probably over 30% of muslims and they've never tried to stab/convert me, and I've never seen burnt cars or churches or "sporadic killings"

Your video is a bad joke. There are thousands of factors that are forgotten/denied/not taken into account.

Look at the riots in Paris for example: your video says that they burnt cars because they were Muslim. There is also a high percentage of Muslims in Brussels and nothing has happened. Why? Because the riots in Paris were trigered by
- exclusion
- huge joblessness rate
- bad relations between the youth and the police
...
religion was not a factor. PROOF => there were also student riots in France, and university students are mostly christian.

Then it talks about ethnic cleansing when 80% of the population is Muslim...that's really absurd
- the Rwandans and the Germans did that too and they're not muslim at all. As for Rwanda, the main cause was overpopulation.
- Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world, and there is no genocide
- your video gives the example of Turkey, which is totally absurd too: the "cleansed" people are also muslim!!! Same for Iraq, muslims are fighting against muslims!!

Then at the end it says that the aim is to achieve peace, when 100% of the population is muslim. Then how do you explain that Iran (muslim country) was at war with Iraq (muslim country) or that Turks (muslims) kill Kurds (muslims) while Shia (muslims) kill Sunii (muslims)?

Finally, what is the message of your video? Do you want a kind of worldwide pogrom?

I don't think I need to elaborate more. Your video says that Islam is the only cause of violence. That is absurd, because it does not take into account thousands of relevant factors that are much more important than religion. That's why there are thousands of counter-examples:
- there is as much violence in non muslim country
- there is also a lot of violence between muslims

Kal'Stang · Feb 2, 2009

You did not watch the whole video. Do so please. I know that you didn't for this one example. While yes she did say that Islam is suppose to be about peace once it reaches 100% Islamic population she also said that it is never achieved. And explaines why. So please watch all of the video.

bub · Feb 2, 2009

Kal'Stang said:
You did not watch the whole video. Do so please. I know that you didn't for this one example. While yes she did say that Islam is suppose to be about peace once it reaches 100% Islamic population she also said that it is never achieved. And explaines why. So please watch all of the video.

Yes, they say that they attack the most moderate ones and then force women to wear burqa

Are the Shia/Kurds more moderate than the Sunii/Turks, or is it just a conflict that has nothing to do with Islamisation?

RiverDad · Feb 2, 2009

bub said:
That's funny, I live in a city where there are probably over 30% of muslims and they've never tried to stab/convert me, and I've never seen burnt cars or churches or "sporadic killings"

This rebuttal isn't convincing. I've lived in cities with high Black and Hispanic populations and I've never been the victim of murder or armed assault, yet crime statistics show that areas with high minority populations have a disproportionate increase in the crime rate and that was true of the cities I lived in, it's just that I was lucky enough not to be a victim of crime.

Look at the riots in Paris for example: your video says that they burnt cars because they were Muslim.

The nightly rate of 100 car-b-ques is steady and peaks around New Years and during violent uprisings. This is a mostly Muslim tradition in France.

There is also a high percentage of Muslims in Brussels and nothing has happened. Why?

Why? Perhaps because you do not speak the truth:

Tonight (Wednesday evening) heavy rioting erupted in Turkish quarters of Brussels, the capital of Belgium. Buses and trams were attacked. Several cars were torched and shops destroyed. Police forces were unable to restore law and order in the boroughs of Sint-Joost-ten-Node and Schaarbeek where since last Sunday the animosity among Turks is running high. Turkish flags are omnipresent. In some streets the Turkish crescent and star adorns almost every house.

The Turks’ anger was provoked by rising tension with Kurds along the Iraqi-Turkish border and by the debate in the American Congress about the Turkish genocide of the Armenians in 1915. On Sunday night Turkish youths in Sint-Joost destroyed the pub of Peter Petrossian, an ethnic Armenian who had to flee for his life. Apparently, some Turks think that by attacking the Armenians in Brussels they can convince the world that the Turks never committed a genocide of the Armenians.

Tonight the youths attacked Kurdish shops. They also set fire to several cars.

Belgium’s Muslim population consists mainly of Moroccans and Turks. In the past rioting Muslim youths were mostly Moroccans. The Turkish community is controlled by the Turkish embassy. The latter used to restrain the Turkish population so as not to upset the Belgian authorities and thwart Turkey’s chances of EU admission. This policy seems to have changed recently. In Antwerp, too, Turkish youths demonstrated tonight.

The events in Brussels indicate that in admitting large numbers of immigrants Belgium has also imported the ethnic quarrels of the Middle East.

Meanwhile in Amsterdam, the capital of the Netherlands, Moroccan youths have been burning cars for more than a week now. Today a 15-year old Amsterdam schoolboy was stabbed by youths. The boy survived the attack but is seriously wounded. On 11 October a 16-year old Amsterdam boy was stabbed to death in school. On 4 September a similar incident occurred in the Belgian city of Ghent where a 14-year old Belgian boy fought for his life after being stabbed in the throat by two immigrant youths from his school.

Because the riots in Paris were trigered by
- exclusion
- huge joblessness rate
- bad relations between the youth and the police

Sure, OK. Let's map the causal chain.

Riots <----- Exclusion, joblessness, criminal youth <------- Muslim, Arab, & North African values

This still supports the main thesis of the video.

religion was not a factor. PROOF => there were also student riots in France, and university students are mostly christian.

That's no proof. Students are held responsible for the riots they start. Why shouldn't Muslims be held responsible for the riots they start?

Then it talks about ethnic cleansing when 80% of the population is Muslim...that's really absurd
- the Rwandans and the Germans did that too and they're not muslim at all.

To be Rwandan or to be German does not mean subscribing to the notion of total domination, however Islam sees the world as either Dar al-Harb or Dar al-Islam:

A crucial distinction made in Islamic theology is that between dar al-harb and dar al-islam. To put it simply, dar al-harb (territory of war or chaos) is the name for the regions where Islam does not dominate, where divine will is not observed, and therefore where continuing strife is the norm. By contrast, dar al-islam (territory of peace) is the name for those territories where Islam does dominate, where submission to God is observed, and where peace and tranquility reign.

bub · Feb 2, 2009

RiverDad said:
This rebuttal isn't convincing. I've lived in cities with high Black and Hispanic populations and I've never been the victim of murder or armed assault, yet crime statistics show that areas with high minority populations have a disproportionate increase in the crime rate and that was true of the cities I lived in, it's just that I was lucky enough not to be a victim of crime

And do you think that there is more crime there because they are black/hispanic/muslim or because there are other factors such as poverty etc...?

As for the rebuttal, the video said that after 5% they want the sharia => that is not true, they don't. On the contrary they become part of the local political system and are policemen etc... while some are parliamentarian or senator...
The video says that they attack christians => that is not true, some of them are criminal but then they rob everyone, not just the christians

The nightly rate of 100 car-b-ques is steady and peaks around New Years and during violent uprisings. This is a mostly Muslim tradition in France.

there were also student riots against the CPE in 2006. University students are not muslim
YouTube - ÉMEUTES ANTI-CPE 2006
same for the student riots in may 1968, at that time there were nearly no muslim in France
YouTube - mai 68

you see, you don't need to be muslim to riot

Why? Perhaps because you do not speak the truth:

:roll: yeah, 3 or 4 dudes launched stones on a tram and were arrested. I was there. And why did they do this? Was it about "islamisation"? No, it was about attacking Kurds, who are also Muslim

Sure, OK. Let's map the causal chain.

Riots <----- Exclusion, joblessness, criminal youth <------- Muslim, Arab, & North African values

This still supports the main thesis of the video.

Yes, you support the main thesis of the video. You just said that criminality was a North African value. You are racist.

That's no proof. Students are held responsible for the riots they start. Why shouldn't Muslims be held responsible for the riots they start?

You miss the point. We're trying to see why they riot. The video says that it's because they're Muslim. But when student riot, you don't say that "they riot because they are students, they want to invade Europe!!"

To be Rwandan or to be German does not mean subscribing to the notion of total domination, however Islam sees the world as either Dar al-Harb or Dar al-Islam

You miss the point again: the video said that Muslims make genocides. That's a very bad argument, because if you look at the most important genocides that have ever happened you have
1) the holocaust => by christians against jews
2) rwanda => by christians against christians
3) armenia => by muslims against christians
4) yougolavia => by christians against muslims

In the video, it sounds as if only the muslims carried out genocides. That's not true

and if you look at the wars you have
- turkey/kurds => muslims against muslims
- iraq => muslims against muslims
...

Kal'Stang · Feb 3, 2009

bub said:
You miss the point. We're trying to see why they riot. The video says that it's because they're Muslim. But when student riot, you don't say that "they riot because they are students, they want to invade Europe!!"

No, the video says that they riot because of Islam, not because they are muslim. They want to force Islam on other nations. This is being evidenced in Britain right now. There are now Sharia courts. They are even talking about having search dogs wear little booties in muslim homes while searching them. This shows that they do not consider British courts to be good enough. This shows that they want to impose THEIR laws on their people no matter the laws in Britain. How long will it be before they try to force some other "innocent" aspect of their culture on the rest of the people?

Islamic sharia courts in Britain are now 'legally binding'

Sniffer dogs to wear ‘Muslim’ bootees

176 search results in google video's for "muslims riot in britain"

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Take a look at the video that I have up. Look at what the muslim child does towards the policeman at 1:49. Disgusting.

RiverDad · Feb 3, 2009

Kal'Stang said:
How long will it be before they try to force some other "innocent" aspect of their culture on the rest of the people?

That ship has already sailed:

Police here in central England seized a collection of porcelain pigs from a house's window sill after Muslims complained that they were offensive.

"I just couldn't believe it, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry," Mrs Nancy Bennett, the owner of the 17 miniature pigs, told the Sun tabloid newspaper.

The porcelain figures were held at the local police station, while Mrs Bennett was threatened with prosecution if she replaces the collection. Her house is located in the same street as the city's main mosque, meaning that Muslim worshippers often passed by her front window where the pig figurines were on display.

"Muslims find pigs highly offensive," explained police officer David Griffiths. "That is why the complaints were made".

Wessexman · Feb 3, 2009

:yawn:

What Islam is not:

Whatever it isn't I'd wager it isn't able to be summed up in one short video.

Wessexman · Feb 3, 2009

RiverDad said:
That ship has already sailed:

In all fairness that says more about the PC culture of New Labour/EUroplot Britain than anything else. These kind of wankers don't just do this kind of thing of PC crap for Muslims only by a long way.

Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog

kaya'08 · Feb 4, 2009

You know what, at the end of the day;

People = kill = people.

Its got nothing to do with Muslim vs Christian, Jew vs Christian, or Jew vs Muslim. Its nationality Vs. Nationality, thats all it is.

bhkad · Feb 4, 2009

bub said:
That's funny, I live in a city where there are probably over 30% of muslims and they've never tried to stab/convert me, and I've never seen burnt cars or churches or "sporadic killings"

Your video is a bad joke. There are thousands of factors that are forgotten/denied/not taken into account.

Look at the riots in Paris for example: your video says that they burnt cars because they were Muslim. There is also a high percentage of Muslims in Brussels and nothing has happened. Why? Because the riots in Paris were trigered by
- exclusion
- huge joblessness rate
- bad relations between the youth and the police
...
religion was not a factor. PROOF => there were also student riots in France, and university students are mostly christian.

Then it talks about ethnic cleansing when 80% of the population is Muslim...that's really absurd
- the Rwandans and the Germans did that too and they're not muslim at all. As for Rwanda, the main cause was overpopulation.
- Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world, and there is no genocide
- your video gives the example of Turkey, which is totally absurd too: the "cleansed" people are also muslim!!! Same for Iraq, muslims are fighting against muslims!!

Then at the end it says that the aim is to achieve peace, when 100% of the population is muslim. Then how do you explain that Iran (muslim country) was at war with Iraq (muslim country) or that Turks (muslims) kill Kurds (muslims) while Shia (muslims) kill Sunii (muslims)?

Finally, what is the message of your video? Do you want a kind of worldwide pogrom?

I don't think I need to elaborate more. Your video says that Islam is the only cause of violence. That is absurd, because it does not take into account thousands of relevant factors that are much more important than religion. That's why there are thousands of counter-examples:
- there is as much violence in non muslim country
- there is also a lot of violence between muslims

Does your city have lots of Muslims in positions of authority? Are there large Muslim enclaves? Are there Muslim laws or courts in your city?

Degreez · Feb 4, 2009

bhkad said:
Does your city have lots of Muslims in positions of authority? Are there large Muslim enclaves? Are there Muslim laws or courts in your city?

What would be a Christian court?

Where if you are subpoenaed and are forced to testify in court you are under the oath of the Bible?

bub · Feb 5, 2009

bhkad said:
Does your city have lots of Muslims in positions of authority? Are there large Muslim enclaves? Are there Muslim laws or courts in your city?

- it's proportional to the population, so yes
- yes
- no

Maximus Zeebra · Feb 5, 2009

bub said:
That's funny, I live in a city where there are probably over 30% of muslims and they've never tried to stab/convert me, and I've never seen burnt cars or churches or "sporadic killings"

You live in Brussels? What I saw when I was there was unemployed Arabs standing around in the streets and harassing women, hardly very Muslim behavior.

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