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You guys are so bad. Now you think there are sides.
You guys are so bad. Now you think there are sides."Atheist" implies a firmness of belief which most "agnostics" do not feel. Stop trying to make people pick sides.
You guys are so bad. Now you think there are sides.
A+ theism literally means a lack of theism or theological beliefs, in the same way that A + sexual means a lack if sexual means of reproduction.No. I think narrowing my perspective to a reality where there is a god or not is almost not worth considering.
Do you need to wear blue?I’m in training to be a Druid and have my Divination final next week.
I won't joke. That argument on either side does not span a single page.A+ theism literally means a lack of theism or theological beliefs, in the same way that A + sexual means a lack if sexual means of reproduction.
Agnostics, by definition, hold no theological beliefs.
Therefore agnostics are athiests.
How do you know?I was thinking of joining the Jedi religion. But since I lack Force powers, that idea didn't work. Lol
A + theism literally means a lack of theism or theological beliefs."Atheist" implies a firmness of belief which most "agnostics" do not feel. Stop trying to make people pick sides.
A + theism literally means a lack of theism or theological beliefs.
Agnostics lack theological beliefs.
Agnostics are, in fact, athiests. By the simple virtue of what the words mean.
People that misuse the words are wrong.This is an argument from the meaning of words. It's not applicable to people who defy such classification.
Some people define themselves as agnostics, so rather than splitting etymological hairs we should consider what THEY mean by it. Which is overwhelmingly that they don't want to be involved in arguments about the existence of god(s).
Alternatively, you could come up with a label for "don't know with enough certainty to argue" instead of "agnostic"
People that misuse the words are wrong.
That is literally what the words mean.
And by virtue of what the words mean agnostics are, in fact, athiests.
Misunderstanding the meaning of words does not change the meaning of the words.
No, I am right. Those definitions for agnosticism are fine. Good.Agnosticism is the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3] Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."
You're wrong.
??? I don't see Christian up there?? I see a few Christian FAITHS however.....................?What is your religion? Just a short poll
I tried to use the Jedi mind trick and force push something, but nothing happened. Maybe I should get a Midichlorian injection, which I assume is the Star Wars version of botox.How do you know?
If only theists would show me the same consideration.I can say this, as an atheist, I promise I will never knock on your door trying to talk you out of your god beliefs.
No, I am right. Those definitions for agnosticism are fine. Good.
Somone holding those beliefs lacks theism or theological beliefs.
Therefore, by definition, somone holding those beliefs is an athiest.
Proved my point.Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2][3][4] Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist.[5][6] In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[1][2][7][8] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[9][10] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[10][11][12]
You're still wrong. If agnosticism was logically the same as atheism, there wouldn't be two different words.
Lack of belief in the existence of A, is not logically identical to belief in the non-existence of A.
And again, you're talking about a label people use to identify themselves. Dictionary definitions should give way to what they mean by the label. Atheists have a bad reputation for being hostile to religious people, and agnostics quite understandably want to distance themselves from that. Agnostics are more tolerant of the beliefs of others, than Atheists are.
Are you an Atheist, btw?
Proved my point.
Yes I am an athiest. I lack theological beliefs, and if you are an agnostic you also lack theological beliefs and are an athiest too.
You've left out hundreds. Scientology, Mormon, Satanism (both kinds), Wiccan, Voodoo, HooDoo, PAganism, Asatru, the list is nearly endless.What is your religion? Just a short poll
You're unable to grasp the difference between a positive belief in non-existence, and a lack of belief. Suppose I told you I had a phrase in mind (but I won't tell you what it is) and demanded you agree or disagree with it. Surely the only honest response is "I don't know" ... well it's just the same with agnostics. They may be strict (it is not possible to know) or they may be convenient (they would rather not say) but in neither case can they accurately be described as Atheists.
People like you, trying to recruit to your obnoxious form of Atheism, are the reason people like me have to find some other label.
I choose the portmanteau word "Apathy + theist" or Apatheist. I'm not interested in proofs or disproofs. God just doesn't matter that much to me.
I like that. Good word and definition. They should add it to the dictionary.I choose the portmanteau word "Apathy + theist" or Apatheist. I'm not interested in proofs or disproofs. God just doesn't matter that much to me.
Misusing a word doesn't change its meaning.
If you call yourself agnostic but hold theological beliefs you aren't agnostic."Agnostics are Atheists" is actually incorrect. I'd let you say "some Agnostics are Atheists" but I doubt you'd be satisfied by that.
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