what is your opinion on gay couples adopting? (1 Viewer)

[FallingPianos]

what are your thoughts?

 

[Duke]

Four simple words: Why the hell not?

And I expect someone to answer that question. I simply can't wait.


Duke

 

[Nero]

i voted for having it legall, but i don't consider it right. I have yet to see a statistical analysis of the psycological effects of having gay parents however idd have to assume (as a highschool student) that that kid would get picked on mercilessly for 12 years.

Im not sure that exactly makes adopting "wrong" but i do think the effects on the kid would be neggative, like i said i have no actual information on the effects but thats my hunch, id be happy to be proved wrong.

 

[Kelzie]

i voted for having it legall, but i don't consider it right. I have yet to see a statistical analysis of the psycological effects of having gay parents however idd have to assume (as a highschool student) that that kid would get picked on mercilessly for 12 years.

Im not sure that exactly makes adopting "wrong" but i do think the effects on the kid would be neggative, like i said i have no actual information on the effects but thats my hunch, id be happy to be proved wrong.

You can't refuse people children because their kids will be picked on. As our resident bully explained, he didn't need a reason to pick on someone. He just did. Might as well prevent inter-racial adoptions then too. There have been studies, and there are no negative effects from gay adoption. I am far too lazy to look for them though.

 

[vibeeleven]

I vote legal because I don't think it's any of the governments business, but I do believe that it's selfish. Being adopted I can say that I would have had a hard time with it as a child and I don't think anyone should subject a child to that knowing for a fact that there will be issues the child will need to deal with that are different than the normal developmental issues of children and teens.

 

[Duke]

i voted for having it legall, but i don't consider it right. I have yet to see a statistical analysis of the psycological effects of having gay parents however idd have to assume (as a highschool student) that that kid would get picked on mercilessly for 12 years.

Is that the fault of the adoption of the child or of the child's class mate? The child could be sent to a better school, or the child could be homeschooled.

Let us look at the alternatives:

A) The child is adopted by gay parents. Let us also assume that the child is well taken care of and happy.

B) The child is not adopted, and the child goes into the notorious foster care system or into an orphanage.

Which do you think, overall, is better for the child? Just ask yourself that.


Duke

 

[vibeeleven]

Why not give the child a choice?

 

[Nero]

Why not give the child a choice?

a 3 year old can't really be expected to choose.

Is that the fault of the adoption of the child or of the child's class mate? The child could be sent to a better school, or the child could be homeschooled.

Let us look at the alternatives:

A) The child is adopted by gay parents. Let us also assume that the child is well taken care of and happy.

B) The child is not adopted, and the child goes into the notorious foster care system or into an orphanage.

Which do you think, overall, is better for the child? Just ask yourself that.


Duke

I was under the impression that there is more demand than supply of kids of to a certain age.

You can't refuse people children because their kids will be picked on. As our resident bully explained, he didn't need a reason to pick on someone. He just did. Might as well prevent inter-racial adoptions then too. There have been studies, and there are no negative effects from gay adoption. I am far too lazy to look for them though.

Right, thats why i didn't say make it illigal i said i viewed it as wrong. And in my opinion to be a "good" parent the first priority to that parent must be the kid, and if the gay couple adopts knowing it will harm the child they autimatcly fail as parents.

Like i said ive never seen a study either way, but from what i remember of the psycology i learned the parent figures in the home play a vital role in forging the child into an adult. Considering the child has much to learn from both a father figure and a mother figure i find it hard to beleive that a child growing up with gay parents will grow up alright.

Consider for example the adoption agencies atitude towards a single adopting, its not only for financial reasons.

 

[vibeeleven]

a 3 year old can't really be expected to choose.

A 3 year old can't but >3 three year olds aren't the ones who do end up in fostor homes.

You're both right in a way, there are more parents than babies to adopt, but unfortunatly many of those potential parents don't want a child older than a toddler. Why not let some of the older foster children decide whether or not they want two mommies.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Two loving parents willing to give a child a start in life, and people argue that that's wrong because they're blinded by hatred and prejudice. How sad.

Kids get picked on because they're fat, have red hair, have spots, aren't good at sports etc. Do we make all these things illegal? The world moves on, and attitudes change. My divorced colleague now lives with his gay partner. His children come to stay every weekend and far from being picked on at school, their friends are jealous and love coming over to thier house - they think it's cool that their friends have got a gay dad.

The tide is turning and the acceptance of gays for what they are (normal human beings) is and will continue to triumph over hatred.

 

[jfuh]

Two loving parents willing to give a child a start in life, and people argue that that's wrong because they're blinded by hatred and prejudice. How sad.

Kids get picked on because they're fat, have red hair, have spots, aren't good at sports etc. Do we make all these things illegal? The world moves on, and attitudes change. My divorced colleague now lives with his gay partner. His children come to stay every weekend and far from being picked on at school, their friends are jealous and love coming over to thier house - they think it's cool that their friends have got a gay dad.

The tide is turning and the acceptance of gays for what they are (normal human beings) is and will continue to triumph over hatred.

Don't forget the ultimate argument. Because the kid will become gay because the parents are gay. Homosexuality is a disease, a scourage of the world that is against the teachings of the bible.
If there were no religious fundamentalists, this world would be so much better.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Don't forget the ultimate argument. Because the kid will become gay because the parents are gay. Homosexuality is a disease, a scourage of the world that is against the teachings of the bible.
If there were no religious fundamentalists, this world would be so much better.

I agree jfuh, religious fundamentalism causes so much harm and spreads so much unhappiness. THEY should be the ones barred from adoption.

They ignore the fact that gay people are usually the product of a heterosexual union, and the fact that if you look at the children of gay parents, the incidence of homosexuality is no more than in the general population. Why should truth get in the way of their hatred and ruin the fun?

 

[Nero]

Don't forget the ultimate argument. Because the kid will become gay because the parents are gay. Homosexuality is a disease, a scourage of the world that is against the teachings of the bible.
If there were no religious fundamentalists, this world would be so much better.

Two loving parents willing to give a child a start in life, and people argue that that's wrong because they're blinded by hatred and prejudice. How sad.

Kids get picked on because they're fat, have red hair, have spots, aren't good at sports etc. Do we make all these things illegal? The world moves on, and attitudes change. My divorced colleague now lives with his gay partner. His children come to stay every weekend and far from being picked on at school, their friends are jealous and love coming over to thier house - they think it's cool that their friends have got a gay dad.

The tide is turning and the acceptance of gays for what they are (normal human beings) is and will continue to triumph over hatred.

The getting picked on thing was just one example. The actual point is that having 2 parents of the same sex may (as i said, id love to be proved wrong here i just haven't seen any evidence either way) have a bad effect on the childs development. Im saying that wherever ive read anything on a childs development they always mention very important roles for parents of both sexes and im not sure that 2 parents of the same sex can create such an enviroment.

Furthermore i ressent the etempt to imply that anyone who doesn't think that 2 parents of the same sex set the same sort of example for a child that 2 parents of differant sexes set, is automaticly a prejudiced bigot. There are plenty examples in books on development psychology on the role of a father and a mother in the early psychological development of a kid. And its kinda trivial that you loose something if you don't have both (statisticly speaking of course).

 

[FallingPianos]

The getting picked on thing was just one example. The actual point is that having 2 parents of the same sex may (as i said, id love to be proved wrong here i just haven't seen any evidence either way) have a bad effect on the childs development. Im saying that wherever ive read anything on a childs development they always mention very important roles for parents of both sexes and im not sure that 2 parents of the same sex can create such an enviroment.

Furthermore i ressent the etempt to imply that anyone who doesn't think that 2 parents of the same sex set the same sort of example for a child that 2 parents of differant sexes set, is automaticly a prejudiced bigot. There are plenty examples in books on development psychology on the role of a father and a mother in the early psychological development of a kid. And its kinda trivial that you loose something if you don't have both (statisticly speaking of course).

Donor insemination: child development and family functioning in lesbian mother families.]
The quality of the couples' relationships and the quality of the mother-child interaction did not differ between lesbian mother families and either of the heterosexual family groups. The quality of the interaction between the social mother and the child in lesbian families was superior to that between the father and the child in both groups of heterosexual families. Childrens' own perception of their parents was similar in all family types; the social mother in lesbian families was regarded by the child to be as much a 'parent' as the father in both types of heterosexual families. With regard to their emotional/behavioural development, boys and girls raised in lesbian mother families were well adjusted and their gender role development did not differ from that of children raised in heterosexual families. These results indicate that child and family development in lesbian mother families is similar to that of heterosexual families.

Children raised in fatherless families from infancy: a follow-up of children of lesbian and single heterosexual mothers at early adolescence.
The presence or absence of a father in the home from the outset does appear to have some influence on adolescents' relationships with their mothers. However, being without a resident father from infancy does not seem to have negative consequences for children. In addition, there is no evidence that the sexual orientation of the mother influences parent-child interaction or the socioemotional development of the child.

Children with lesbian parents: A community study.
Thirty-nine lesbian-mother families, 74 two-parent heterosexual families, and 60 families headed by single heterosexual mothers were compared on standardized interview and questionnaire measures administered to mothers, co-mothers/fathers, children, and teachers. Findings are in line with those of earlier investigations showing positive mother-child relationships and well-adjusted children.

Lesbian mothers, gay fathers, and their children: a review.
There is a variety of families headed by a lesbian or gay male parent or same-sex couple. Findings from research suggest that children with lesbian or gay parents are comparable with children with heterosexual parents on key psychosocial developmental outcomes. In many ways, children of lesbian or gay parents have similar experiences of family life compared with children in heterosexual families.

Adults raised as children in lesbian families.
A longitudinal study of 25 young adults from lesbian families and 21 raised by heterosexual single mothers revealed that those raised by lesbian mothers functioned well in adulthood in terms of psychological well-being and of family identity and relationships. The commonly held assumption that lesbian mothers will have lesbian daughters and gay sons was not supported by the findings.

Children in lesbian and single-parent households: psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal.
Thirty-seven school-age children reared in 27 lesbian households were compared with 38 school-age children reared in 27 heterosexual single-parent households, with respect to their psychosexual development and their emotions, behaviour and relationships. Systematic standardized interviews with the mothers and with the children, together with parent and teacher questionnaires, were used to make the psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal. The two groups did not differ in terms of their gender identity, sex role behaviour or sexual orientation. Also, they did not differ on most measures of emotions, behaviour and relationships--although there was some indication of more frequent psychiatric problems in the single-parent group. It was concluded that rearing in a lesbian household per se did not lead to atypical psychosexual development or constitute a psychiatric risk factor.

have fun. :2wave:

 

[Nero]

have fun. :2wave:

:3oops: ill right than, i guess ill be changing my vote :3oops: .

 

[jfuh]

have fun. :2wave:

.... damn you, you beat me to it. Here I was all gearing up, oh well.


Hey party!arty

 

[FallingPianos]

Hey party!arty

w00t! :rock :cheers:

 

[FallingPianos]

:3oops: ill right than, i guess ill be changing my vote :3oops: .

you'd be surprised how many people wouldnt....

 

[jfuh]

you'd be surprised how many people wouldnt....

I think this is a first on DP. Good stuff

 

[Urethra Franklin]

:3oops: ill right than, i guess ill be changing my vote :3oops: .

Brave (and rare) is the poster on here who can be big enough to admit they might just have been wrong. You have my respect Nero.

You single?

 

[Nero]

Brave (and rare) is the poster on here who can be big enough to admit they might just have been wrong. You have my respect Nero.

You single?

:rofl . yes i am

 

[Urethra Franklin]

:rofl . yes i am

Older women??

 

[Nero]

Older women??

definetly

 

[Urethra Franklin]

definetly

:3oops:

I think we're going to get told we're "off topic"

 

[earthworm]

The psychological welfare of the children is far more important than the right of some homosexual "couple" to adopt..
If the homosexuals were normal, which is impossible, I would say Yes ! go ahead....

The foster child in all possible cases must be reared by normal loving parents. I think the homosexual can be loving, but it would end up in being perverse..
And there are plenty of regular people out there who would love to adopt....
I am certain that the homo community is fighting to be accepted as normal, but this can never be....