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What is your most disliked ideology?

Or, what is your antithesis? An ideology that you dislike the most.

Me? Nazism.

I in general cannot hate people for their ideas, while I hate communism, I cannot hate communist as I see the appeal it has to some. As with anything, there are always some people that are great people that fit into an ideology. Not everyone is evil that fits into that ideology. I do not hold it against them when they express what they are, and I am willing to have rational debate with any also willing. I appreciate ideas and feel they must be expressed no matter what, as any and all can contribute.

There is one, and only one, exception to the philosophy I hold. Nazis. I so fervently HATE Nazis it is hard to express through simple block text. One may use the word hate as an exaggeration or hyperbole to emphasise; but this is one of the minimal instances where I can use the word with absolute seriousness. I HATE Nazis.

So, I have shared mine, what is yours?

I understand what you're trying to say with this, but I don't understand the justification. Why are Nazi's any worse than communists? They have a lot in common, especially the core point that they both require a large amount of fascism to implement, which I assume is your problem with Nazi's.

For me the answer is statism in general. There isn't as much difference between the various statist ideologies as some would have you believe, they are pretty much all based on a few core, ethically unjustifiable principles.
 
Idiocracy. A system where idiots are rewarded for being idiots and the idiots rule. But of course, this system is not something that ever lasts because it collapses in on itself from natural causes.

So from all the ideologies that have permeated this world, I'd have to say that communism is the worst. This is also because you have to be an idiot to be a communist or a communist sympathizer so it's the closest thing to idiocracy.

The 2nd most hated I think it's theocracy because it takes away the right of men to be government by men and have to obey the laws of some God, enforced by men who have given up any self-worth and identity to oppress their fellow men. The worst 2 religions to be under a theocratic governance are hinduism and islam.

What both these systems have in common are authocratic oligarchy where nobody can ever rise from the bottom to get up because those on top have full control over the ladders one needs to climb to get on top. And so you create a "french court" syndrome which... unfortunately, leads to idiocracy.

However, communism has more in common with idiocracy than theocracy does. That's why most of communism died fast. It collapsed on itself. And that's why the harmful effects of this kind of idiocracy are seen even today, 23 years after it fell.
 
Or, what is your antithesis? An ideology that you dislike the most.

Me? Nazism.

I in general cannot hate people for their ideas, while I hate communism, I cannot hate communist as I see the appeal it has to some. As with anything, there are always some people that are great people that fit into an ideology. Not everyone is evil that fits into that ideology. I do not hold it against them when they express what they are, and I am willing to have rational debate with any also willing. I appreciate ideas and feel they must be expressed no matter what, as any and all can contribute.

There is one, and only one, exception to the philosophy I hold. Nazis. I so fervently HATE Nazis it is hard to express through simple block text. One may use the word hate as an exaggeration or hyperbole to emphasise; but this is one of the minimal instances where I can use the word with absolute seriousness. I HATE Nazis.

So, I have shared mine, what is yours?
I am perfectly serious when I look you in the eye and tell you that if you are a Liberal and/or a Socialist, you need to kill yourself, right now. No drama, just stop breathing.
 
Or, what is your antithesis? An ideology that you dislike the most.

Me? Nazism.

I in general cannot hate people for their ideas, while I hate communism, I cannot hate communist as I see the appeal it has to some. As with anything, there are always some people that are great people that fit into an ideology. Not everyone is evil that fits into that ideology. I do not hold it against them when they express what they are, and I am willing to have rational debate with any also willing. I appreciate ideas and feel they must be expressed no matter what, as any and all can contribute.

There is one, and only one, exception to the philosophy I hold. Nazis. I so fervently HATE Nazis it is hard to express through simple block text. One may use the word hate as an exaggeration or hyperbole to emphasise; but this is one of the minimal instances where I can use the word with absolute seriousness. I HATE Nazis.

So, I have shared mine, what is yours?

I have two that I hate pretty much equally:

- The religious side of the GOP forcing jesus morality on others.
- The economics side of the dems taxing work and subsidizing non-work.

I understand what you're trying to say with this, but I don't understand the justification. Why are Nazi's any worse than communists? They have a lot in common, especially the core point that they both require a large amount of fascism to implement, which I assume is your problem with Nazi's.

For me the answer is statism in general. There isn't as much difference between the various statist ideologies as some would have you believe, they are pretty much all based on a few core, ethically unjustifiable principles.

^^ This. A toll is a toll, a roll is a roll, and a statist is a statist. To me all statists are pretty much interchangeable, so I guess I have to clarify my most hated ideology to statism.
 
Conservatism.

Sure you can look at North Korea or some of the islamic countries and point out how terrible they are, far worse than conservatives, but it is obvious they are bad. What conservatism has turned into is a sneaky bait and switch.

"I believe in a good days' work for good days' pay!".

What that ends up as is a good days work for bad pay.

"I'm a good moral person that follows the bible"

You're a bad person that destroys the lives of LGBT and not so many years ago minorities.

"I don't believe in welfare, not one goddamn cent! If you want a penny you gotta earn it!!!"

I agree, too bad you worship and support criminals that exploit the people into a position in which they could not possibly survive at a reasonable standard without welfare.


There's a whole host of these but they almost all follow the same pattern. The wolves guard the hen house and assure the hens the danger is out there as they pick off and slaughter the unsuspecting fools one by one.
 
You can think much more clearly about issues and ideas if you try to limit the effects of emotionalism. You don't need to love, hate, like or dislike ideologies in order to be able to debate their merits or otherwise.

I would argue against authoritarian attitudes whether they bear the label Nazi, neo-liberal, Juche or Stalinist, not because of my emotional rejection of them, but because of the damage authoritarianism does to people's minds and wellbeing.
 
While Nazis are horrible, I can’t say I ever give them a second thought. They have no political power. Certainly not in my home country of the USA. For me to truly despise an ideology, it must pose a threat, which means it must be an ideology shared by people with actual power to affect my life.

For that reason, the ideology of the Christian Right tops my list. Not Christians in and of themselves, mind you. But those who try to force their interpretation of Christian principles on the country through LAW.
 
Don't you "see the appeal" of Nazism? A brand of socialism that (presumably) avoids the cold, mechanical theorizing of the internationalist Marxism, and preserves the precious intimate human connections of the Land, the Tribe, the Family?

As for Nazism vs. Communism, ask yourself: "What do I "hate" more - an ideology that retained a feeble shadow of common decency by requiring that its true believers think of "the enemy" (Jews, Slavs like myself, etc) as not-quite-human, a different species - or an ideology that sanctions murder of anyone at all - your brother, father, mother - if they happen to be the "class enemy", if they "stand in the way of history", or whatever other nonsense?!

I understand what you're trying to say with this, but I don't understand the justification. Why are Nazi's any worse than communists? They have a lot in common, especially the core point that they both require a large amount of fascism to implement, which I assume is your problem with Nazi's.

For me the answer is statism in general. There isn't as much difference between the various statist ideologies as some would have you believe, they are pretty much all based on a few core, ethically unjustifiable principles.

Your questions to me are similar so I will answer you both at the same time.

Communism is understandable, as the disgruntled troubled worker would like common grounds with the rich. Fascism as well, is understandable, as a country in near total panic and anarchy with a lame duck government, the people desire order and that is something fascism can provide. Being either does not necessitate being a bad person. Definitely, every fascist and communist gov't has not be sunshine and flowers, but on and individual level, if someone is either a communist or fascist there are not automatically a bad person the same way being liberal or conservative does. The ways those ideas can be expressed vary and there is no set in stone for either.

Nazism is different. Being a Nazi necessitates you being an intolerant dickhead. Being a Nazi necessitates your being hateful. Being a Nazi necessitates your desire for a repeat of Nazi Germany. Being a Nazi means you defend the Holocaust, or even advocate it. The tens of millions that died in communist countries were a direct result of bad policy and idiotic mismanagement. Most of the people that died under Stalin and Mao were not ordered deaths. The Nazis however had killing tens of million as a GOAL. We are lucky they only got 3 years to really carry out their atrocities, as they would have surely vindicated the entire Slavic population.

Nazism is a very specific ideal with very specific things that I fervently hate. That is why Nazism is such a big exception to my otherwise accepting philosophy.
 
Your questions to me are similar so I will answer you both at the same time.

Communism is understandable, as the disgruntled troubled worker would like common grounds with the rich. Fascism as well, is understandable, as a country in near total panic and anarchy with a lame duck government, the people desire order and that is something fascism can provide. Being either does not necessitate being a bad person. Definitely, every fascist and communist gov't has not be sunshine and flowers, but on and individual level, if someone is either a communist or fascist there are not automatically a bad person the same way being liberal or conservative does. The ways those ideas can be expressed vary and there is no set in stone for either.

Nazism is different. Being a Nazi necessitates you being an intolerant dickhead. Being a Nazi necessitates your being hateful. Being a Nazi necessitates your desire for a repeat of Nazi Germany. Being a Nazi means you defend the Holocaust, or even advocate it. The tens of millions that died in communist countries were a direct result of bad policy and idiotic mismanagement. Most of the people that died under Stalin and Mao were not ordered deaths. The Nazis however had killing tens of million as a GOAL. We are lucky they only got 3 years to really carry out their atrocities, as they would have surely vindicated the entire Slavic population.

Nazism is a very specific ideal with very specific things that I fervently hate. That is why Nazism is such a big exception to my otherwise accepting philosophy.

I still don't get what you think the core difference is between them. Communism requires precisely the same level of "being an intolerant dickhead" (as you so eloquently put it) as being a Nazi. In order for a society run by Nazi's to function effectively, there has to be a push to wipe out anyone who isn't a Nazi. Exactly the same is true for communism, and ultimately the same method of "wiping out" is used. Your reasons for sympathizing with communists are almost identical to those used by Germans who sympathized with the Nazis. The only difference is the Nazis blamed blacks, gays and Jews while the commies blame capitalism, religion, and free market economics.

Why does being a Nazi mean defending the holocaust, but being a communist not mean defending regimes like the Khmer Rouge? The systems are what created the deaths, regardless of whether they were formally ordered. In the case of the Khmer Rouge, many of the tortures and deaths were formally ordered and carried out in systematically barbaric ways that make the Nazi's look like girl scouts and Auschwitz look like the Holiday Inn.

Just to be abundantly clear, I find Nazi beliefs, ideologies, and history to be absolutely sickening and shameful to our species as a whole. I just don't see what you think is different about communism. The notion that communist genocides have been the result of mere mismanagement of resources is as absurd as the idea that Nazi concentration camps were just regular prison camps.
 
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Just to be abundantly clear, I find Nazi beliefs, ideologies, and history to be absolutely sickening and shameful to our species as a whole. I just don't see what you think is different about communism. The notion that communist genocides have been the result of mere mismanagement of resources is as absurd as the idea that Nazi concentration camps were just regular prison camps.
And what do you believe is so different about religious, tribal, colonialist or liberal genocides that makes those systems inherently different from Nazism and Communism?
 
And what do you believe is so different about religious, tribal, colonialist or liberal genocides that makes those systems inherently different from Nazism and Communism?

I don't, that's why I listed statism as my most disliked ideology. I'm unaware of any genocides that have been carried out by any group that isn't either a already a state or trying to become one whether it be a religious state, a political state, or both (though I guess it is possible I could be wrong about that).
 
I don't, that's why I listed statism as my most disliked ideology. I'm unaware of any genocides that have been carried out by any group that isn't either a already a state or trying to become one whether it be a religious state, a political state, or both (though I guess it is possible I could be wrong about that).

Hmm. Well, that's an easily debateable point. Do you consider the Catholic Church to be a state? If you expand your definition of statism to cover any organised authority, in which case statism becomes synonymous with political authority, then you can hardly refer to 'statism' as an ideology at all, as it would encompass all ideologies except primitivist anarchism.
 
Hmm. Well, that's an easily debateable point. Do you consider the Catholic Church to be a state? If you expand your definition of statism to cover any organised authority, in which case statism becomes synonymous with political authority, then you can hardly refer to 'statism' as an ideology at all, as it would encompass all ideologies except primitivist anarchism.

The Vatican is a state, and it was the Vatican (through Pope Urban II) that ordered the Christian crusades. Next?
 
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In my view, political ideology is a form of religion, constricting a thinking man/woman to a set path often at odds with the reality before them. Therefore, I'd say I reject all political ideologies. Instead, I prefer to be a person of guiding principles, simple truths, that allow me to judge each issue on its merits, not on what political ideology supports or doesn't support it.
 
Conservatism.

Sure you can look at North Korea or some of the islamic countries and point out how terrible they are, far worse than conservatives, but it is obvious they are bad. What conservatism has turned into is a sneaky bait and switch.

"I believe in a good days' work for good days' pay!".

What that ends up as is a good days work for bad pay.

"I'm a good moral person that follows the bible"

You're a bad person that destroys the lives of LGBT and not so many years ago minorities.

"I don't believe in welfare, not one goddamn cent! If you want a penny you gotta earn it!!!"

I agree, too bad you worship and support criminals that exploit the people into a position in which they could not possibly survive at a reasonable standard without welfare.


There's a whole host of these but they almost all follow the same pattern. The wolves guard the hen house and assure the hens the danger is out there as they pick off and slaughter the unsuspecting fools one by one.
there's a problem with your statement you can't compare American conservatism to the rest of the worlds conservatism. Erican conservatism is actually European liberalism.
 
While Nazis are horrible, I can’t say I ever give them a second thought. They have no political power. Certainly not in my home country of the USA. For me to truly despise an ideology, it must pose a threat, which means it must be an ideology shared by people with actual power to affect my life.

For that reason, the ideology of the Christian Right tops my list. Not Christians in and of themselves, mind you. But those who try to force their interpretation of Christian principles on the country through LAW.
I would agree with you there from a diffrent perspective on all but abortion. As a more libertarian leaning person I would rather take the social issues they try and regulate out of government. Except abortion as there is a third party with rights.
 
I would say socialism because it tricks the people by telling them to drop the shackles of the free market but instead of offering freedom you are then shackled to the needs of the people and the greater good.
 
The Vatican is a state, and it was the Vatican (through Pope Urban II) that ordered the Christian crusades. Next?

Ha-ha! Well done. Completely side-stepped the question, but the response of a true believer.
 
My least favorite ideology is hackery. There is just simply no way that one side is right all of the time. Zealotry is the root cause of so many of society's ills.

My least favorite political ideologies are those which are based on racism.
 
Ha-ha! Well done. Completely side-stepped the question, but the response of a true believer.

I didn't sidestep anything, and I'm not a Christian. Your point was that the crusades weren't directed by a state, and that the Catholic Church doesn't have a state. You were simply incorrect.
 
I didn't sidestep anything, and I'm not a Christian. Your point was that the crusades weren't directed by a state, and that the Catholic Church doesn't have a state. You were simply incorrect.

I didn't mention the crusades. Even if I had, you would be incorrect to claim that they were the actions of the Papal state. They were perpetrated by various coalitions of the willing. The Vatican state really had virtually no involvement with their implementation.

You sidestepped my point that the only type of polity that would not meet your definition of 'statism' would be a primitivist anarchist one. Everything else would fit your concept.
 
or an ideology that sanctions murder of anyone at all - your brother, father, mother - if they happen to be the "class enemy", if they "stand in the way of history", or whatever other nonsense?!

yes that's exactly how it works
 
While Nazis are horrible, I can’t say I ever give them a second thought. They have no political power. Certainly not in my home country of the USA. For me to truly despise an ideology, it must pose a threat, which means it must be an ideology shared by people with actual power to affect my life.

Not entirely true

Well maybe not a national threat yet but membership in hate groups including the American Nazi Party have been rising so maybe there's some concern to be shown

Also white supremacist's fascination with Ron Paul always made me feel weird
 
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