ManOfTrueTruth
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teacher said:Buy low, sell high.
ManOfTrueTruth said:I was interested in seeing the economic philosophy of members of the forum. I believe in an economy that has a mixture of both socialism and capitalism because it is the most fair, humane and pragmatic type of economic system.
Iriemon said:It would help to define the terms. For some, socialism means social support programs, for others, socialism is an economic system in which the state owns the production.
I am captialist but not laizze-faire, I am in favor of regulation and social programs to offset the inherent harshness of unrestrained capitalism.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Mods, I was wanting to put a poll with the follow questions and options:
Question: What is your economic philosophy?
1. Die hard capitalist.
2. Die hard socialist/communist.
3. I believe in an economic system that has both socialist and capitalist principles.
ManOfTrueTruth said:How do you know when the market is actually low? You could buy when the market has been low and the market will just keep going lower and lower and lower and you never recover your lost money.
The Real McCoy said:Anyone with a shred of common sense would pick 3.
My philosophy? Government (in the economic realm) should be structured from the bottom up. The individual should be primarily responsible for his economic well being. Entities that the private sector cannot deal with as effectively as the public arena should then be the responsibility of local governments. Anything the local government can't deal with should then be regulated by the state. And so on up to the Federal level.
ManOfTrueTruth said:My definition of the economic system I favor is to offset the inherent harshness of unrestrained capitalism in the similar manner that you just defined. But also to put a check on the political power of the rich in order to assure that the poor has a voice in government as well.
alphamale said:Uh, you're ignorant. "Unrestrained capitalism" is the opposite of harsh - it provides the most goods for the most people - it is precisely socialism and and the other forms of statism that are harsh - go to zimbabwe right now and discover what's "harsh".
ManOfTrueTruth said:I agree that their is a need for individual responsibility, but their is also a need for collective responsibility. In America, collective responsibility is almost non-existent and their is a huge emphasis on individual responsibility. This leads to an attitude where if it doesn't directly effect that particular individual, they don't care about the consequences that other people might face by their actions or the actions of other individuals. It's kinda like, as long as it doesn't affect me or I am not individually held accountable for it, even though it might harm others, I don't care, I'll do it anyway.
teacher said:Hey, it took less than 10 posts to get to the point. Tell you what sport, save us all some time and next time just start the thread out...
"America sucks, so do Americans, discuss please."
You're not that bright, don't try and play us old cagey Americans.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Why should I go to Zimbabwe when I can stay right here and find people who live in similar conditions of people in Zimbabwe? Their are people here who live in worse economic conditions than those people in socialist economies or the Third World.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Why should I go to Zimbabwe when I can stay right here and find people who live in similar conditions of people in Zimbabwe? Their are people here who live in worse economic conditions than those people in socialist economies or the Third World.
teacher said:Oh really, where pray tell? And do separate those that choose to live like that between those who are forced to.
You sure you want to do this?
alphamale said:Because, as you admit, under the mixed economy system of the U.S. you find some people in bad conditions, in the utter statism of Zimbabwe, you find almost everyone in "harsh" conditions - my hope is that you will eventually visit enough places and discover the relationship that "harshness" is proportional to amount of statism.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Alot of those people never had a choice. The deck was already stacked against them. They were never given the opportunity to win.
Bullshit. This is America. We all start at "See Spot Run" and build from there. Everyone except for those with bad parents has a choice. Some just chose to hang out with you instead of doing thier homework. This is America. You are not "given" the opportunity to win, you "sieze" it.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Why should I go to Zimbabwe when I can stay right here and find people who live in similar conditions of people in Zimbabwe? Their are people here who live in worse economic conditions than those people in socialist economies or the Third World.
Now we go from "there are" to "I imagine". The question still stands slick. Where are these people? I wasn't aware of welfare payments in Zimbabwe. Or food stamps, Women Infants and Children, Madacare or Medacaid, cheap housing, the law for not refusing medical treatment to anyone, call 911, the Ambualnce shows up, about a gazillion entittlements. Then there is private charity. No one in this nation goes hungry. Go to a church or soup kitchen, the Red Cross, whatever. Lot of public Libraries in Zimbabwe are there? Lot of that going on in Zimbabwe is there?
I imagine, if you were willing to look hard enough, you wouldn't have to travel far to find people who live in just as bad or worse conditions as that of Zimbabwe and they really didn't have much opportunity to climb their way out of such conditions, especially when you consider that right now in America, the gap between rich and poor continues to widen unabated.
Everybody reads the same text books. The opportunity is within one. It's all in if you want it or not. But then I guess there are some with the defeatest mentality that can't stand on their own two feet and feel compelled to blame the rich for the time they spent sucking down Budweisers in high school instead of learning the Periodic Table.
Again skippy, where are these Zimbabwe living people in this nation?
Note to Ivan the eee:
See, one doesn't have to "call" one down to the basement to get ones point across. If you can't make you point up here, you can't down there. It's just more fun down there.
ManOfTrueTruth said:I'm sorry, let's just kiss your ***. America is perfect. America has no faults. America is the shining light of the universe. America does no wrong. We should not try to improve and make America better because America is already perfect.
The Real McCoy said:Anyone with a shred of common sense would pick 3.
My philosophy? Government (in the economic realm) should be structured from the bottom up. The individual should be primarily responsible for his economic well being. Entities that the private sector cannot deal with as effectively as the public arena should then be the responsibility of local governments (police f. ex). Anything the local government can't deal with should then be regulated by the state. And so on up to the Federal level (military f. ex)).
alphamale said:Uh, you're ignorant. "Unrestrained capitalism" is the opposite of harsh - it provides the most goods for the most people - it is precisely socialism and and the other forms of statism that are harsh - go to zimbabwe right now and discover what's "harsh".
ManOfTrueTruth said:Why should I go to Zimbabwe when I can stay right here and find people who live in similar conditions of people in Zimbabwe? Their are people here who live in worse economic conditions than those people in socialist economies or the Third World.
That is not very nice..play nicelyUh, you're ignorant. "Unrestrained capitalism" is the opposite of harsh - it provides the most goods for the most people - it is precisely socialism and and the other forms of statism that are harsh - go to zimbabwe right now and discover what's "harsh".
Willoughby said:That is not very nice..play nicely
I think that a mixture of both is the best system, maybe with a slighty more socialism
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