What is your definition of resisting arrest?

[Caine]

I'm sure there is some subset of cops who want to do a good job and protect the people. But until y'all start wearing identifiers to let me know which one of y'all is doing that and which one of y'all just want to beat me over the head with the billy club; I got to assume you're part of the latter.

Maybe if you would quit being a threat to police they'd quit beating you over the ****ing head with a club...... just saying.

 

[Caine]

I wonder why your experiences are apparently so different....?

Isn't it obvious Maggie?

Ikari is one of those people raised to believe that they are never wrong, if they broke a law its the fault of the law or the law officer.



I would say more, but this forum has become so goddamned restrictive in allowing people to say what they want and I don't feel like getting reported for some bull****.

 

[Ikari]

That attitude is so foreign to me!

That's too bad. Caution is almost always warranted in many cases. And you should treat officers with respect, you have no idea which one of them just wants to crack your skull and add crimes to your charges.

 

[Ikari]

Maybe if you would quit being a threat to police they'd quit beating you over the ****ing head with a club...... just saying.

Not really threatening them in the least; just looking to properly limit government power.

 

[Ikari]

Isn't it obvious Maggie?

Ikari is one of those people raised to believe that they are never wrong, if they broke a law its the fault of the law or the law officer.



I would say more, but this forum has become so goddamned restrictive in allowing people to say what they want and I don't feel like getting reported for some bull****.

I ain't gonna report your ass, say what you want to me.

I don't think that I am never wrong, it's just a measured system that I am rarely wrong. hahaha. If I break the law, it's my fault. I'm not looking to offshore responsibility. It's just that I don't trust cops. Government is not, has never been, and never will be a trustworthy organization. Sorry.

 

[clownboy]

That's too bad. Caution is almost always warranted in many cases. And you should treat officers with respect, you have no idea which one of them just wants to crack your skull and add crimes to your charges.

OR you could treat them with respect and comply because only the butt stupid don't get that not doing so NEVER achieves positive results. Whereas, if there are any positive results to be had (like giving you a break and letting you go, or not doubling down on charges), they will only be had by treating them with respect and complying.

 

[Ikari]

OR you could treat them with respect and comply because only the butt stupid don't get that not doing so NEVER achieves positive results. Whereas, if there are any positive results to be had (like giving you a break and letting you go, or not doubling down on charges), they will only be had by treating them with respect and complying.

Yes the ol' "obey authority at all costs because it's really hard to do otherwise and you may have to think and be intelligent and figure out how to act for yourself" excuse.

Well I ain't a lazy jerk, so instead I'm going to insist on proper government limitations and that the rights and liberties of the People be observed and respected. Sorry that you disagree.

 

[sangha]

OR you could treat them with respect and comply because only the butt stupid don't get that not doing so NEVER achieves positive results. Whereas, if there are any positive results to be had (like giving you a break and letting you go, or not doubling down on charges), they will only be had by treating them with respect and complying.

If by "complying" you mean "answering all their questions" or "consenting to any requested search" then IMO, only the butt stupid "comply" Unfortunately, some LEO's see such refusals to "comply" as being disrespectful.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

By being in handcuffs, technically, wasn't the act of arrest then complete? Hence, no resisting.

Attempted escape, maybe.

LOL - no . . . is that all you think goes into an arrest? 'Arrest' is a process - arrest legal definition of arrest. arrest synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[joko104]

Let's assume you're a protester who has been ordered to leave private property.



Do you think you are resisting arrest when the policeman takes you by the arm and you refuse to move?

No, I don't think being passive is resisting. Resisting would require doing something pro-active. Possibly there could be a charge for failure to comply with an lawful order of a police officer.

 

[radcen]

LOL - no . . . is that all you think goes into an arrest? 'Arrest' is a process - arrest legal definition of arrest. arrest synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you have 'smilies' turned off, and hence missed the 'winking' smilie. I was being facetious.

 

[Ikari]

Maybe if you would quit being a threat to police they'd quit beating you over the ****ing head with a club...... just saying.

Yeah, that's why that female bartender in Chicago got nearly a million dollars from the city after one of their cops beat the ever living crap out of her.

 

[radcen]

Yeah, that's why that female bartender in Chicago got nearly a million dollars from the city after one of their cops beat the ever living crap out of her.

...as just one example.

Granted, the majority of LE are good and decent people, but there are enough that aren't, and should one ever find them self in such a situation, one doesn't know which type they're going to get. Hence, the need for caution and restraint (no pun intended).

I do not condone being an arse, but at the same time believing that the LE will do everything right and correct simply because they are an LE is so mind-numbingly naive it's ridiculous.

 

[MaggieD]

...as just one example.

Granted, the majority of LE are good and decent people, but there are enough that aren't, and should one ever find them self in such a situation, one doesn't know which type they're going to get. Hence, the need for caution and restraint (no pun intended).

I do not condone being an arse, but at the same time believing that the LE will do everything right and correct simply because they are an LE is so mind-numbingly naive it's ridiculous.

Caution and restraint indeed. One more: respect. I don't think anyone believes that LE will do everything right. The important point is that, if they don't? You wait for your day in court and don't even think about addressing issues any other way.

I also think people should know their rights so they recognize what they should and shouldn't do. "Can cops search my car without my permission without a warrant?" "What happens if I refuse taking a breathalyzer?" It's the things they ask you to do that are more important than what they actually do. Know your rights. You shouldn't expect LE to extend them to you. You should assert them.

Cops have a great deal to lose if they behave inappropriately. You have much to lose as well.

 

[radcen]

Caution and restraint indeed. One more: respect. I don't think anyone believes that LE will do everything right. The important point is that, if they don't? You wait for your day in court and don't even think about addressing issues any other way.

I also think people should know their rights so they recognize what they should and shouldn't do. "Can cops search my car without my permission without a warrant?" "What happens if I refuse taking a breathalyzer?" It's the things they ask you to do that are more important than what they actually do. Know your rights. You shouldn't expect LE to extend them to you. You should assert them.

Cops have a great deal to lose if they behave inappropriately. You have much to lose as well.

I don't disagree with this.

Only thing I would add, is that yes both parties have a lot to lose, but the average citizens losing is pretty much a done deal. Barring overwhelming evidence and/or an establishing pattern by the individual officer(s), the LEO gets the benefit of the doubt. Judges and juries are usually pre-biased in favor of the LEO. Not always unjustifiably so, of course, but it's still there nonetheless.

 

[ELNOR]

The first moment you are not moving to comply with that order, you are Resisting Arrest so far as I am concerned



I feel you are. As I said.... Any action or inaction which is contrary to what you've been ordered to do by the Officer.

I don't think so. They first have to be attempting to arrest you before you can be accused of resisting arrest. However that attempt to arrest isn't far behind if you refuse to obey a cop's order. THEN you get your opportunity to resist arrest. Either way though you're fighting a losing battle.