What is Un-American?

[Doremus Jessup]

Prove it.

Done.

But wait.

I don't need a rebirth of the Caliphate, I think Islam is acting as one fractured multi-faction "team" already.

:roll:

Back on topic:

Well, look at the Coalition in Desert Storm, and consider the many nations involved as parallels to your factions in Islam. Were they not acting on the same side even though they did not merge into one Government ?

For you to equate me with your enemy because you disagree me is UN-American.

 

[Voidwar]

I am not trying to equate you or make anything personal.

I'm sorry if my comments seemed that way to you
You mentioned divisions within Islam, and in referring to that I goofed a bit and substituted the word faction, and then, in my statement, I did not mean to imply that you were a faction in Islam, I only denoted them in the possessive as they (divisions / factions) had been used as your example.
I was referring to the factions as a parallel to nations in the big picture.

Islam is to Coalition as Faction within Islam is to Nation within the Coalition.

No personal implications were intended, sorry for any misunderstanding if it was due to my own linguistic ambiguity.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'll just respond by saying not all liberals think like that and I have never completely agreed with anything these people say. Most of this comes from the extreme left with socialism/communism and extreme change ideals. It's just like the extreme racist, sexist, afraid of change right. No one side is perfect that's why I would consider any person who agrees with the statements and labels you listed above not very smart. But, no I have never heard any right wingers say anything like that, but that doesn't make them any more intelligent when it comes to other topics.

Ah but the people that made these comments on the leaders of the left......They speak for democrats and liberals.....

The people that made these comments are Kerry, Durbin and Murtha among others.......Hardly socialists or communists.......

 

[Sir_Alec]

Ah but the people that made these comments on the leaders of the left......They speak for democrats and liberals.....

The people that made these comments are Kerry, Durbin and Murtha among others.......Hardly socialists or communists.......

well I don't think Kerry, Durbin, or Murtha are all that smart.

 

[Navy Pride]

well I don't think Kerry, Durbin, or Murtha are all that smart.

Never the less they are some of the leaders in the democratic party....I agrre though they are not to smart..............epscially Kerry....

 

[26 X World Champs]

I cited Bush's letter to Congress the day we invaded Iraq:

Quoting Bush
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq;

You then wrote this totally ridiculous and inadequate response:

Why not, he doesn't say what YOU SAID he said, even in your quote.

YOU said Mainland USA, Bush does not.

That's as weak as when President Clinton said "that depends on what your definition of "is" is. You reply is equal in it's futility to Clintons...

 

[Danman5995]

It might be hard for you to comprehend, but just because one disagrees with W doesn't mean they like that tubby bitch Moore.

Seemed to have read a lot more than what I said. I don't believe I mentioned Bush anywhere. I'm saying that people who hold those ideas generally are following lockstep behind a moron such as Moore.

I think you might have plagarized that straight outta Dan's latest "book".

Dan Rather? Didn't copy it from anyone. Believe it or not, prepare yourself, I think for myself. Crazy concept.

 

[Navy Pride]

well I don't think Kerry, Durbin, or Murtha are all that smart.

You got that right but what is scary they are the leaders of the democratic party

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Danman5995
Attacking those that attacked us and those that posed a threat to us, isn't really un-American.

Trying to defend against terrorism in our own country is un-American?

Heaven forbid we over hear a terrorists conversation, we might be able to stop them then.

What? So we should ignore terrorism and just let anyone who wants to attack us attack us.

Yeah, let's not spend money on defending our country. We saw what happened when a previous president did that.

I prefer to come up with my own ideas and not buy them from Michael Moore.

Where?

Where?

Like Ted Kennedy? Hillary? I don't like them either.

I would say liberal voters too.

Darn corporations hiring Americans. What jerks.

Humor us with the long one.

Right. So if they don't get slightly more of the vote that should do absolutely nothing while in office except sit on their hands and invite interns in?

Neocon. Your doing very good with your liberal buzz words.

So has someone tried to silence you, a dissenter?

It wasn't a lie. It was based on information that was potentially bad. That doesn't make it a lie.

Maybe you should give watching the news a try, ace.

I'm free enough? That is one scary way of thinking.

We'll talk later...

For now, Welcome to Debate Politics!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar
1. We were not bombing the **** out of them over the period between desert storm and the current conflict. They were shooting at U.S. Pilots enforcing and patrolling No Fly Zones , which the Iraqi's agreed to, to obtain the Desert Storm Cease Fire. No they were not being bombed, and no, they signed a cease fire accord saying they would not attack Coalition Forces which were patrolling said no fly zones, so both halves of your point are destroyed.

Flying over 2000 sorties dropping over 600 bombs on over 300 pre-selected targets is NOT 'no-fly' zone enforcement!

 

[Navy Pride]

Seemed to have read a lot more than what I said. I don't believe I mentioned Bush anywhere. I'm saying that people who hold those ideas generally are following lockstep behind a moron such as Moore.


Dan Rather? Didn't copy it from anyone. Believe it or not, prepare yourself, I think for myself. Crazy concept.

Welcome to the forum Danman...........We can always use another good Conservative to fight evil liberalism that is trying to take this country down......:cheers: Looking forward to your input.........

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Navy Pride:
Welcome to the forum Danman...........We can always use another good Conservative to fight evil liberalism that is trying to take this country down...... Looking forward to your input.........

Kiss-a.s.s!..........:smile:

 

[Navy Pride]

Kiss-a.s.s!..........:smile:

Call it what you like but we are outnumbered by Libs in this forum and we can use all the help we can get:2razz:

GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Navy Pride:
Call it what you like but we are outnumbered by Libs in this forum and we can use all the help we can get

GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!

You're alright in my book, Pride. And I have no idea why. Maybe because your as controversial on your side of the fence as I am on mine. Or maybe it's our mutual admiration for the Big Dipper. Or maybe because I'm a "no comment" on the abortion issue. Or maybe.........................f.uck all that!

I just don't know...

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar
The people are Muslim. Muslim's are part of the Caliphate.

I am no longer fooled by the "Nation State" Whack a Mole that Islam wants to play. The Nation State Lines are not Relevant when the topic is Islam warring on you.

You had to edit that post?

Your thoughts come pretty slow, don't they?

 

[Navy Pride]

You're alright in my book, Pride. And I have no idea why. Maybe because your as controversial on your side of the fence as I am on mine. Or maybe it's our mutual admiration for the Big Dipper. Or maybe because I'm a "no comment" on the abortion issue. Or maybe.........................f.uck all that!

I just don't know...

Yeah, your one of the few libs in here that I call and actual friend.....I had the good fortune to see the Big Dipper play in person in college against St Joes of Philadelphia in 1958 and many times in the pros when he was with the Warriors........Nobody could top him. Not even Bill Russell..........

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Navy Pride:
Yeah, your one of the few libs in here that I call and actual friend.....I had the good fortune to see the Big Dipper play in person in college against St Joes of Philadelphia in 1958 and many times in the pros when he was with the Warriors........Nobody could top him. Not even Bill Russell..........

Russ had a few good things going for him too! 11 to be exact...

 

[thapcballa]

Like yours really matters anymore than mine. But, seriously a lot of people use the term Un-American to label people they disagree with. I can think of a few such as... Coulter... Savage......... and Limbaugh. I do hear it from both sides more often *cough* Major Baker *cough* Billo *cough cough*, but it mostly comes from social conservatives that are cornered and need an easy label to give to their opponenets.

Yes they say that time to time. But you have to pay attention to who they are saying it about. The average or most liberals are not un-american. But when I have heard them say that they were talking about someone like Cindy Sheehan who called our troops terrorists.

 

[Voidwar]

Flying over 2000 sorties dropping over 600 bombs on over 300 pre-selected targets is NOT 'no-fly' zone enforcement!

This is not substantiated, so I guess I will posit that all the Missions flown were enforcement of No-Fly and Surveillance, and I will hold that view till I see proof that any one of these "2000" sorties wasn't part and parcel of the described mission and the agreed to conditions of the cease fire.

 

[Voidwar]

You had to edit that post?

Your thoughts come pretty slow, don't they?

I was clarifying terminology, got any content other than ad hominem ?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Voidwar
This is not substantiated, so I guess I will posit that all the Missions flown were enforcement of No-Fly and Surveillance, and I will hold that view till I see proof that any one of these "2000" sorties wasn't part and parcel of the described mission and the agreed to conditions of the cease fire.

The source is from the Leuitenant-General that was in charge of the air command that covered the 'no-fly' zone. That's about as credible a source you can get on this issue. The man whose very job it was to order the sorties.

General admits to secret air war
Michael Smith

THE American general who commanded allied air forces during the Iraq war appears to have admitted in a briefing to American and British officers that coalition aircraft waged a secret air war against Iraq from the middle of 2002, nine months before the invasion began.
Addressing a briefing on lessons learnt from the Iraq war Lieutenant-General Michael Moseley said that in 2002 and early 2003 allied aircraft flew 21,736 sorties, dropping more than 600 bombs on 391 “carefully selected targets” before the war officially started.

The nine months of allied raids “laid the foundations” for the allied victory, Moseley said. They ensured that allied forces did not have to start the war with a protracted bombardment of Iraqi positions.

If those raids exceeded the need to maintain security in the no-fly zones of southern and northern Iraq, they would leave President George W Bush and Tony Blair vulnerable to allegations that they had acted illegally.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html

I already know your response. I'll just say it takes a pretty sick individual who try's to justify s.hit like this. Very sick!

But that's what little White House bitches are, "very sick people". As well as being the absolute worst kind of American. Are you one of those?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Voidwar
I was clarifying terminology, got any content other than ad hominem ?

No ad hom, just asking a question. Gettin' a little sensitive there, Buckwheat?

 

[Voidwar]

No ad hom, just asking a question. Gettin' a little sensitive there, Buckwheat?

The implication that my thoughts come slow is an attempt at ad hominem. The kind of ad hominem one usually hears under a set of monkey bars, but ad hominem nonetheless.

Regarding your Sorties, I stand by my earlier position, everyone of them had to do with the ceasefire agreement, which was violated early by Iraq, thus giving the U.S. Carte Blanche to "consequence" the ceasefire breaker. I think you are thinking that the timing matters, it does not. Iraq gave us full, legal Causus Belli the first time a U.S. Plane was painted with radar.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar
Regarding your Sorties, I stand by my earlier position, everyone of them had to do with the ceasefire agreement, which was violated early by Iraq, thus giving the U.S. Carte Blanche to "consequence" the ceasefire breaker. I think you are thinking that the timing matters, it does not. Iraq gave us full, legal Causus Belli the first time a U.S. Plane was painted with radar.

You don't consider that amount of ordinance excessive?

 

[Voidwar]

I'm not an experienced Air Force General, are you ?

Neither of us is qualified to speak on what is and isn't "excessive".

A good friend of mine's brother was flying our planes on those missions, being radar painted and fired on. . .so it seems to me like earned punishment.