What is the Relationship Between Faith and Evidence?

[Daisy]

Well, they are hoped for.

HOPE

It can mean trust, reliance; desire accompanied with expectation of what is desired or belief that it is attainable; one on whom hopes are centered; a source of hopeful expectation, or promise; something that is hoped for, or an object of hope. The Hebrew root verb qa·wahʹ, from which come terms rendered “hope,” basically means “wait for” with eager expectation. (Ge 49:18) In the Christian Greek Scriptures, the sense of the Greek term el·pisʹ (hope) is “expectation of good.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002068

 

[Omega Man]

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.”​ Hebrews 11:1

What Bible version did you get this verse from??? How precisely did evidence of things suddenly become "evident demonstration of realities"? They prefaced the entire verse (correctly) with "things", and then suddenly turned "things" into "realities".

The word used in the original text is πραγμάτων. Literally translated, it does not mean "reality"; it means things. In this particular usage (faith), "things" refers to the abstract; nothing about "reality" is implied (nor should be inferred in a modern "translation" which reflects intellectual dishonesty).


OM

 

[Daisy]

What Bible version did you get this verse from??? How precisely did evidence of things suddenly become "evident demonstration of realities"? They prefaced the entire verse (correctly) with "things", and then suddenly turned "things" into "realities".

The word used in the original text is πραγμάτων. Literally translated, it does not mean "reality"; it means things. In this particular usage (faith), "things" refers to the abstract; nothing about "reality" is implied (nor should be inferred in a modern "translation" which reflects intellectual dishonesty).


OM

Things are realites, are they not?

 

[Omega Man]

Things are realites, are they not?

No, not always. Things are also abstract. Ideas are things. Myths are things. Illusions are things. Flights of fancy are things. The bottom line is, whatever "edition" you pulled that verse from, they intentionally changed the word to suit the narrative. THAT IS INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.


OM

 

[Daisy]

No, not always. Things are also abstract. Ideas are things. Myths are things. Illusions are things. Flights of fancy are things. The bottom line is, whatever "edition" you pulled that verse from, they intentionally changed the word to suit the narrative. THAT IS INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.


OM

"All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." John 1:3

Myths are not things...

 

[davidhume]

What Bible version did you get this verse from??? How precisely did evidence of things suddenly become "evident demonstration of realities"? They prefaced the entire verse (correctly) with "things", and then suddenly turned "things" into "realities".

The word used in the original text is πραγμάτων. Literally translated, it does not mean "reality"; it means things. In this particular usage (faith), "things" refers to the abstract; nothing about "reality" is implied (nor should be inferred in a modern "translation" which reflects intellectual dishonesty).


OM

"pragmatics" Same word in English.

 

[JustHanging]

Myths are not things...

Yes they are.

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

Thing...
used to refer in an approximate way to an idea, subject, event, action, etc.:


Myth...
a widely held but false belief or idea.

 

[Omega Man]

"All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." John 1:3

Myths are not things...

Myths are in fact... things. So too are ideas, concepts; even theories (as in religious theories).


OM

 

[Omega Man]

"pragmatics" Same word in English.

And yet not. "Things" can refer to the tangible, or the intangible. To the factual, or the abstract. It all depends on the context. Within the original texts from that verse in Hebrews, it refers to the same word in the same context twice; yet incredibly both the word and the context are changed on its 2nd use (thus differentiating it from the 1st use) within the particular version that Elvira cited. I wanted to know which version that came from, so I can intentionally avoid it henceforth. It was an intentional mistranslation.


OM

 

[Omega Man]

Yes they are.

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

Thing...
used to refer in an approximate way to an idea, subject, event, action, etc.:


Myth...
a widely held but false belief or idea.

Precisely. Why that even has to be explained to functioning adults is incomprehensible to me.


OM