What is the point of Male & Female markings on passports and driver's licenses?

[BrotherFease]

I am just curious why these exist in the first place. We're living in a society where sex and gender no longer mean the same thing. We're living in a society where passports can have an "X" marking to indicate "intersex". Perhaps people can explain to me the purpose now. Is it there in case someone gets hurt and the medical doctors need to know the person's genitals? Is it there for cultural identifier reasons?

 

[tacomancer]

Quick visual identification whether the person in front of you is the person described in the license. It’s why things like eye and hair color are also included.

However, if the license says male and the person is transitioning, it may cause confusion, so it makes sense to have an attribute for that situation.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I am just curious why these exist in the first place. We're living in a society where sex and gender no longer mean the same thing. We're living in a society where passports can have an "X" marking to indicate "intersex". Perhaps people can explain to me the purpose now. Is it there in case someone gets hurt and the medical doctors need to know the person's genitals? Is it there for cultural identifier reasons?

Culture identifier reasons? No.

Identification factors which assist law enforcement in identifying the person presenting the license. Just like having hair, eyes, height, age, etc.


WW

 

[BrotherFease]

Culture identifier reasons? No.

Identification factors which assist law enforcement in identifying the person presenting the license. Just like having hair, eyes, height, age, etc.


WW

It seems like everything is biologically based. It allows authorities to identify the person's physical characteristics.

 

[BrotherFease]

Quick visual identification whether the person in front of you is the person described in the license. It’s why things like eye and hair color are also included.

However, if the license says male and the person is transitioning, it may cause confusion, so it makes sense to have an attribute for that situation.

If the person is transitioning, then shouldn't the person simply get their photo taken again? People grow beards and change their hairstyle or even hair color. All of these impact how the person looks.

 

[tacomancer]

If the person is transitioning, then shouldn't the person simply get their photo taken again? People grow beards and change their hairstyle or even hair color. All of these impact how the person looks.

They should do that too

 

[TheParser]

The wokesters have gone mad.

And there is nothing that can be done at the present time.

But, IMHO, the "X" passport will be abolished when the nation in a few decades has a new population profile, for the new majority will be very "conservative" when it comes to social issues.

 

[tacomancer]

The wokesters have gone mad.

And there is nothing that can be done at the present time.

But, IMHO, the "X" passport will be abolished when the nation in a few decades has a new population profile, for the new majority will be very "conservative" when it comes to social issues.

Are you referencing the growing Latino population?

If so you may be correct on that part of your statement. This demographic (as much as it be called one, it’s a very diverse group) tends to be politically liberal but socially conservative and may yet represent another future realignment like we saw after the 2008 crash. They are currently torn between two worlds though and are very swingy right now.

 

[Individual]

Maybe a DNA database entry number should be added, and a Federal government maintained DNA database of ALL citizens begun at birth.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

I am just curious why these exist in the first place. We're living in a society where sex and gender no longer mean the same thing. We're living in a society where passports can have an "X" marking to indicate "intersex". Perhaps people can explain to me the purpose now. Is it there in case someone gets hurt and the medical doctors need to know the person's genitals? Is it there for cultural identifier reasons?

Visual ID.

 

[BlueTex]

The wokesters have gone mad.

And there is nothing that can be done at the present time.

But, IMHO, the "X" passport will be abolished when the nation in a few decades has a new population profile, for the new majority will be very "conservative" when it comes to social issues.

LOL... There is a reason it's called progressive...

 

[jonny5]

I am just curious why these exist in the first place. We're living in a society where sex and gender no longer mean the same thing. We're living in a society where passports can have an "X" marking to indicate "intersex". Perhaps people can explain to me the purpose now. Is it there in case someone gets hurt and the medical doctors need to know the person's genitals? Is it there for cultural identifier reasons?

Almost all people are quickly identifiable as male or female, so it makes for quicker verification that the person identifying themselves is the person the credential says it is.

 

[jonny5]

Maybe a DNA database entry number should be added, and a Federal government maintained DNA database of ALL citizens begun at birth.

That wouldnt be very efficient since dna sampling takes a long time. However, a DNA database already does exist and is used to prove identity in certain situations.

Federal DNA Database Unit | Law Enforcement

The Federal DNA Database Unit (FDDU) aids investigations through hit confirmations against individuals whose profiles are in the National DNA Index System (NDIS).

www.fbi.gov

 

[Individual]

That wouldnt be very efficient since dna sampling takes a long time. However, a DNA database already does exist and is used to prove identity in certain situations.

Federal DNA Database Unit | Law Enforcement

The Federal DNA Database Unit (FDDU) aids investigations through hit confirmations against individuals whose profiles are in the National DNA Index System (NDIS).

www.fbi.gov

Done at birth, it wouldn't matter much how long it took.

 

[jonny5]

Done at birth, it wouldn't matter much how long it took.

Of course it would. Are they going to do dna testing at the voting box? The liquor store?

 

[Individual]

Of course it would. Are they going to do dna testing at the voting box? The liquor store?

Why would they want to?

 

[Lisa]

The wokesters have gone mad.

And there is nothing that can be done at the present time.

But, IMHO, the "X" passport will be abolished when the nation in a few decades has a new population profile, for the new majority will be very "conservative" when it comes to social issues.

Thanks for admitting that conservatives plan to cancel the existence of intersex people. The nation is moving to be less conservative. Trump won with 1/3 of the vote. The rights of any minority are not determined by popular vote. That is why the Bill of Rights exists to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority. You should have learned that in high school.

Nearly 70 percent of Americans support nondiscrimination protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people,

Majority of Americans back LGBTQ protections — but support is sliding

Nearly 70 percent support nondiscrimination protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, though support has fallen since 2015.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[jonny5]

Why would they want to?

You tell me, you suggested DNA on your license.

 

[Individual]

You tell me, you suggested DNA on your license.

A DNA database, and a unique 6 or 7 digit base 32 number which could be used on any/all government records/licenses beginning with your birth certificate, or immigration to the U.S.
Unlike a SS number, it would be difficult, if not impossible to be used fraudulently, and DNA evidence in a crime would make identification of the victim/suspect quickly available to law enforcement.

 

[Rexedgar]

Quick visual identification whether the person in front of you is the person described in the license. It’s why things like eye and hair color are also included.

However, if the license says male and the person is transitioning, it may cause confusion, so it makes sense to have an attribute for that situation.

Visual ID.

Almost all people are quickly identifiable as male or female, so it makes for quicker verification that the person identifying themselves is the person the credential says it is.

What does “X” tell you visually?

 

[tacomancer]

What does “X” tell you visually?

In this case, probably nothing

 

[Deuce]

Culture identifier reasons? No.

Identification factors which assist law enforcement in identifying the person presenting the license. Just like having hair, eyes, height, age, etc.


WW

And if someone is now presenting as a woman or transgender, having an M on the driver's license may cause law enforcement to make a mistake, eh?

 

[Deuce]

The wokesters have gone mad.

And there is nothing that can be done at the present time.

But, IMHO, the "X" passport will be abolished when the nation in a few decades has a new population profile, for the new majority will be very "conservative" when it comes to social issues.

The new population profile in a few decades will be the boomers are all dead while millenials and Gen Z are running the country.

Yeah, sounds like a suuuuper conservative situation. LOL!

 

[BrotherFease]

And if someone is now presenting as a woman or transgender, having an M on the driver's license may cause law enforcement to make a mistake, eh?

It is about time we have more than 2 options. Perhaps their options should expand even more:

M = Male
F = Female
TM = Transgender Male
TF = Transgender Female
NB = Non-binary, two-spirit
X = Intersex

But I wonder if this wouldn't be legal. As in, would putting somebody's trans status on a license led to potential violence or discrimination.

 

[jonny5]

What does “X” tell you visually?

Nothing obviously.