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What Is The Most "Believable" Religion?

EAGLE1 said:
Interesting comments. What do you think would constitute real evidence for reincarnation?
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Possession of spicific knowledge that that child could not know unless they were the person they claimed to have been in a former life.

Examples of such information might be the innate ability to fluently speak an exotic foreign language with a regional, period spicific accent and intimate knowledge of the family tree they claim to have been a part of. Other evidence may include birthmarks of an unusual shape or size that might match up with fatal wounds that the deceased had.

Reference:
Dr. Jim Tucker

Book:
Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives

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For some reason the cod keeps dorking up. The link appears and works like it should in post preview, but comes out all fubar when the post is submitted.

The "debatepolitic-20" isn't even a part of the link code, and I have no idea where it came from. Also, the title of the book is cut short, wtf?

The title of the book is Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives

Don't know what ells to do, sorry.
 
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Jerry said:
Possession of spicific knowledge that that child could not know unless they were the person they claimed to have been in a former life.

Examples of such information might be the innate ability to fluently speak an exotic foreign language with a regional, period spicific accent and intimate knowledge of the family tree they claim to have been a part of. Other evidence may include birthmarks of an unusual shape or size that might match up with fatal wounds that the deceased had.

Reference:
Dr. Jim Tucker

Book:
Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives

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For some reason the cod keeps dorking up. The link appears and works like it should in post preview, but comes out all fubar when the post is submitted.

The "debatepolitic-20" isn't even a part of the link code, and I have no idea where it came from. Also, the title of the book is cut short, wtf?

The title of the book is Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives

Don't know what ells to do, sorry.
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Thanks for that information. Are there any recored instances of such occurances? Ive heard something about the Druze of Lebanon and perhaps people in china and india but thats about it.
 
EAGLE1 said:
Thanks for that information. Are there any recored instances of such occurances? Ive heard something about the Druze of Lebanon and perhaps people in china and india but thats about it.
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In addition to the work I referenced in my last post, you might also look into the work of Carol Bowman, Dr. Brian Weiss and Dr. Erik Fisher.
 
Jerry said:
In addition to the work I referenced in my last post, you might also look into the work of Carol Bowman, Dr. Brian Weiss and Dr. Erik Fisher.
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Hmmm. seems to be some interesting evidence for reincarnation. Why is this option so readily dimissed by many of the worlds religions? Or is it even?

It seems fairly logical to me that a human soul would need many many lives to learn the true lessons of the universe. After all, I have known and read of many many stupid and venile old men. Surely one life would not be of any use to such men.
 
EAGLE1 said:
Hmmm. seems to be some interesting evidence for reincarnation. Why is this option so readily dimissed by many of the worlds religions? Or is it even?

It seems fairly logical to me that a human soul would need many many lives to learn the true lessons of the universe. After all, I have known and read of many many stupid and venile old men. Surely one life would not be of any use to such men.
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Official institutionalization put an end to anything which threatened it's power.

There are scriptures which speak of reincarnation, but I'm not familiar with them.

Random thought: If reincarnation is true then a ZEF is a person from conception on, as it's body would be a filter of the conscious, not the originator of conscience; and born-homosexuality may be likened to a kind of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome from a former life.
 
EAGLE1 said:
Fair enough. What do you think of a child producing accurate information about a previous life?
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It's good anecdotal evidence, but it is only as good as anecdotal evidence can be. (Which is really where most evidence of religion stands.) There are a number of other possible explanations for this phenomenon, ranging from the mundane (child suggestibility) to conflicting paranormal theories.

A half-formed talent for psychometry could produce this, as could the spirit of the "past life" whispering in the child's ear. There are probably explanations I could never dream of, derived from magical traditions and faiths that I've never had the chance to study.

We don't have the science to study this properly. I'd normally end that sentence with the word "yet"... but I don't even know if this is something that we can effectively describe by scientific means.
 
I thought the God of The Others in the earths children's series was pretty cool...
 
We don't have the science to study this properly. I'd normally end that sentence with the word "yet"... but I don't even know if this is something that we can effectively describe by scientific means.
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Sure we do. Science can describe anything that is real and can be observed. If these kids truly did gain information from past lives, it may be possible to deduce the mechanisms that control reincarnation. However, considering that anecdotal evidence for these is slim and more easily explained by conventional sources of knowledge, I see no reason to assume such a complex system.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
It's good anecdotal evidence, but it is only as good as anecdotal evidence can be. (Which is really where most evidence of religion stands.) There are a number of other possible explanations for this phenomenon, ranging from the mundane (child suggestibility) to conflicting paranormal theories.

A half-formed talent for psychometry could produce this, as could the spirit of the "past life" whispering in the child's ear. There are probably explanations I could never dream of, derived from magical traditions and faiths that I've never had the chance to study.

We don't have the science to study this properly. I'd normally end that sentence with the word "yet"... but I don't even know if this is something that we can effectively describe by scientific means.
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Yes much of the evidence is anecdotal. However, wouldnt it be possible to cut through the bullshit to find out what info was accurate and how possible it was to obtain that info by conventional means?
Obviously there are problems and big ones. Namely the possibility that the child is being given the info by adults. Secondly the quality of the information maybe to general to be of much use.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
It's good anecdotal evidence, but it is only as good as anecdotal evidence can be. (Which is really where most evidence of religion stands.) There are a number of other possible explanations for this phenomenon, ranging from the mundane (child suggestibility) to conflicting paranormal theories.

A half-formed talent for psychometry could produce this, as could the spirit of the "past life" whispering in the child's ear. There are probably explanations I could never dream of, derived from magical traditions and faiths that I've never had the chance to study.

We don't have the science to study this properly. I'd normally end that sentence with the word "yet"... but I don't even know if this is something that we can effectively describe by scientific means.
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...or my personal favorite, the child in question can access the Akashic Records instinctively but assumes that the former life they become familiar with was their own past life.
 
Lachean said:
What the Bleep Do We Know was the worst bastardization of Quantum mechanics and metaphysics I have ever seen.
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THANK YOU!!!

I thought I was the only one!
 
Adrian said:
THANK YOU!!!

I thought I was the only one!
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You're not alone, everyone who understand that reality will not be subjected to wishful thinking, or has any grasp of quantum mechanics should know better.
 
If you look in the history the Islams, koranen is the one that never got changed, and therefore people might think its Islam. But what l think is the most believable religion is ourselves and our influence through things we see everyday everywhere.

Religion do change a lot of people in different ways, but the thing that makes people change the most is the society we are living in for ex) tv,radio,magazin
and so whatever.

People are not the same as back in days, and its not because of religion, its because of the society,technology, the influence in us people!
 
I'm partial to the whole Austrian walkabout and the dreaming and such. Just because I want some of whatever they were smoking when they thought that one up.
 
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