jamesrage said:I appologize, I did not read the whole thread.
I knew people who actually needed welfare and foodstamps and I knew alot more people who only abused welfare and foodstamps.
I remember this woman was complaining that the people at her child's school kept asking when she was going to get a job.She had the audacity to state that
welfare gives her the opportunity to not have to work and that it was her right to work.I also knew other women actually had more children just so they can get more money.
I beleave welfare should only be a helping hand and not a hand out.Hand outs only create dependancy.
128shot said:that all depends on who you ask.
There is no why you're going to win public support to raise taxes, we're sick of them as it is.
128shot said:Do believe you said you'd pay more taxes...
anyway. I'd like to lower taxes if this became a more effective thing..
jamesrage said:I also knew other women actually had more children just so they can get more money.
IValueFreedom said:That's a valid point.
This a common problem of TANF. But just because the law has a giant loophole in it doesn't mean that the entire process should be thrown out.
128shot said:Been thinking about this for a little bit...
Who says a different process wouldn't work much better?
128shot said:I dunno, charity maybe?
128shot said:because rich men love tax breaks.
And so they'll celebrate theit tax break by giving money to the needy? No they'll invest it to make more money for themselves. Don't get me wrong, there are rich people who give to charity. But they usually don't have a problem with taxes either.
jamesrage said:Raising taxes on the rich would only screw us.They would only pass down the cost of more taxes down to us the consumer by raising the price of their products.Or in a worst case scenario, just leave the country and set up shop in another country and sell us "cheap" imports.
128shot said:Umm, rich men give to charity because of tax breaks they recieve by doing so.
Lets not forget the money collected by churches and other religious establishments...
128shot said:We donate as it is, all the time. Many many people donate money at church, thats a huge rake in.
Lets not forget the millions given by the rich for tax breaks.
The reason why we are not doing so is so politicans can gain votes.
ncallaway said:I hear a lot coming from capitalists about what socialism is. I hear a lot about Stalin, and tyrannical communist states. From the little bit I've gathered that's not what socialism actually is about. So I ask you socialists, what is socialism?
I don't wanna bunch of replies from self-proclaimed capitalists talking about all the bad things about socialism. I let capitalists describe capitalism to me, so it seems only fair that socialists should define socialism.
Oh, and I know I should read Marx. I plan to later this summer. If there are any other good authors out there that I should know about, let me know. For the capitalists, I do want to know some good authors in favor of capitalism. So any suggested reading is cool to post.
Thanks all.
Originally Posted by Kelzie
The "trickle down" theory? I thought everyone knew that doesn't work.
Androvski said:The Soviet union had the potential to be a perfect example of a socialist state.When Stalin came to power any chance of that ended.
Lenin was a political genius and had he lived longer Iam certain that true socialism would have succeeded in Russia and would have possibly encouraged other countries to"follow in it's footsteps"
Stalin turned the Soviet union into a "state capitalist system",where those in charge had everything and the masses had nothing.Unfortunately,when many consider socialism,it is actually Stalinism they are referring to.
I can't really think of any country where socialism as Marx intended it to be has existed!