What is needed to save Star Wars after the last Jedi debacle?

Zyphlin said:

Honestly, it could be 2 hours of Jar Jar binks tap dancing while he ****s out porgs....and if we get that scrolling yellow text and the pan down from the stars to the space ship he's tap dancing on, it'd still make top 3 money at the box office opening weekend at the very least.

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Zyphlin said:

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I was incredibly disappointed with the Last Jedi, feeling like it was both a meh to bad movie and a meh to bad star wars movie. That said, The Phantom Menace was a bad movie, but that didn't stop me from eagerly awaiting Attack of the Clones opening night. Similarly, TLJ isn't going to stop any fanboy from going out for opening night of 9 either.

One of the problems for me is they can't really do anything to justifiably "fix" my issues with Rei and Kylo. Both feel horribly under developed, undeserving, and hollow and I just don't see how that's going to be fixed in the 3rd movie.

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blackjack50 said:

The plot is the worst part of this movie. I don’t need characters from the original trilogy or anything like that. Ray and fin are enough. Ray and fin are enough to keep this movie going even Kylo is a cool character. But when they are poorly written...there isn’t much that can be done. A bad movie is a bad movie. As people keep bringing up Jar Jar and anakin. Bad characters. But love them or hate them...the plot had some semblance of order and made sense . And remember...ultimately...anakin is a bad guy and you aren’t supposed to like him lol. And at least his lightsaber duel was epic at the end of 3.

But seriously. They have squandered this and it is going to to take a lot of effort to make the next movie pass better than a kidney stone. And even being fair...I enjoyed the force awakens. It felt like a new direction was being taken with new characters. Thoughntjey shouldn’t have recycled the plot.

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