What is it like to live in a pro-gun state?

[Justin Jared]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

 

[Neoliberal Fanfiction]

Imagine your state, but way more testosterone.

 

[Emily L]

Justin, this is all I know about guns . . .

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[TurtleDude]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

hopefully the new supreme court will start performing colonoscopies on states that piss all over their citizens' second amendment rights. Most of NYCs laws and much of NYSs laws, are blatantly unconstitutional. In a perfect world, those who passed that crap would be charged with treason and dealt with severely.

 

[TurtleDude]

Justin, this is all I know about guns . . .

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Sadly, many anti gun (not saying you are-I don't recall your position on the subject) people are passing laws to keep people just like themselves from having guns.

 

[dex4974]

Sadly, many anti gun (not saying you are-I don't recall your position on the subject) people are passing laws to keep people just like themselves from having guns.

A lot of the people with strong gun control views are utterly ignorant about firearms too. You'll hear them try to talk about firearm specifics and just cringe heavily. It feels icky when people are making important decisions about things they know next to nothing about.

 

[TurtleDude]

A lot of the people with strong gun control views are utterly ignorant about firearms too. You'll hear them try to talk about firearm specifics and just cringe heavily. It feels icky when people are making important decisions about things they know next to nothing about.

Most anti gun control advocates:

1) are shooters or grew up in a family that shoots
2) are hunters
3) were in the military or police officers and learned how to use firearms
4) they also know the laws for the most part
5) tend to vote against politicians who want to restrict their rights

MOST anti gunners are

1) people who really don't know much about firearms
2) because of #5 above, want to pass laws that restrict or harass voters who oppose the anti gun politicians
3) are ignorant about criminals and think gun laws will work
4) have a cultural aversion to gun ownership
5) get upset when they are asked to give factual support for gun laws and cannot do that because of #1

 

[Lursa]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

I cant answer for anyone but myself.

It's like carrying a cell phone. I wasnt all that into it but it's the smart, prudent thing to do. I dont use it much but always have it in case of emergencies and really got to like it for coordinating plans with people.

I shoot for sport, I compete, so I enjoy that but I'm not into guns. Dont like cleaning them, not interested in collecting...only have what I need for the purposes I've determined. It's like cars, I like driving, I love road trips...I am not interested in vehicles and just want them to run and do their job.

But I carry for the same reasons I carry my cell phone (lol emergencies, not coordinating plans with friends) and have gotten used to it about the same. I dont really notice it. It's there if I need it and I have carefully and diligently made sure that I know the laws regarding its use. And I also do not consider it my primary means of self-defense. My first response would be to retreat and avoid conflict and I try to practice good self awareness in public.

 

[Drawdown]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

1. My state is a no-retreat state though I wouldn't exactly say that standard is often met when letting people walk. We can open carry but you need a permit to concealed carry.

2. I am technically legally a co-owner of an arsenal of legacy guns. I have been around them my entire life. I recall even as a toddler getting my dad to save me his empty shotgun shells to play with (and I really liked the smell of them). In our house growing up, you had to be able to clean guns before you were allowed to shoot them which might possibly just have been my dad's way of getting us to clean his shotgun after he went hunting

3. I used to hunt, but don't any more. Didn't stop for some great moral reason. Just never enjoyed it really, or at least never enjoyed it more than staying home playing video games.

4. I have no guns in my house currently since I don't hunt but that periodically changes for brief periods when I am the middleman between one relative and another. If I needed a gun for some reason quick like to kill a coyote or something, I could walk across the street and borrow my neighbors I guess.

 

[apdst]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

It's great. You should move to a free state.

 

[Waddy]

Here in Kansas we have open carry and concealed carry; no permits of any kind needed for either. Just no felony or proven domestic abuse.

If a store posts "no firearms", and you do carry openly in the store, they can ask you to leave. That's all. And that's all the police can do. No charges, unless you won't leave. Then they can escort you out., or arrest you for refusing if it gets physical.

No type of gun is prohibited, that I know of. People can own artillery, full auto machine guns, etc. Just do the paperwork. Same for suppressors (silencers). There is no types of ammunition actually banned by the state, though the feds do ban some. My main gun range allows full auto fire. (Just too damn expensive for my tastes).

Local jurisdictions are very limited as to how much more restrictive they can be than the state laws allow.

Kansas also has "range protection" laws. If an established gun range becomes surrounded with development, they cannot accuse the range of being a nuisance "too noisy" or too dangerous, in order to shut it down. They knew there was a gun range nearby when they built there, didn't they?

We also have "Stand Your Ground", and the "Castle Doctrine".

But we do have a local prosecutor who plea bargains almost every gun charge. The perp agrees to plead guilty to burglary, the gun charge is dropped, resulting in a much shorter prison sentence, maybe two years; (out in one year). Instead of the mandatory five years on a gun charge. But that prosecutor is tolerated because very few cases go to trial, which is expensive. But it does put violent criminals back on the streets much sooner.

So I appreciate living in a very pro-gun state.

And since you asked; I bought my first gun at a Western Auto store, and old surplus long barrel 98 Mauser, for around $18. I was 16, I think, at the time.

When I was in the 5th grade in Barstow, California, back in the 50's, several of us boys would bring our .22 rifles to school, leave them in the principal's office, and pick them up after school to go plinking in the desert. We all also carried pocket knives. Mine was a Barlow.

 

[TurtleDude]

Here in Kansas we have open carry and concealed carry; no permits of any kind needed for either. Just no felony or proven domestic abuse.

If a store posts "no firearms", and you do carry openly in the store, they can ask you to leave. That's all. And that's all the police can do. No charges, unless you won't leave. Then they can escort you out., or arrest you for refusing if it gets physical.

No type of gun is prohibited, that I know of. People can own artillery, full auto machine guns, etc. Just do the paperwork. Same for suppressors (silencers). There is no types of ammunition actually banned by the state, though the feds do ban some. My main gun range allows full auto fire. (Just too damn expensive for my tastes).

Local jurisdictions are very limited as to how much more restrictive they can be than the state laws allow.

Kansas also has "range protection" laws. If an established gun range becomes surrounded with development, they cannot accuse the range of being a nuisance "too noisy" or too dangerous, in order to shut it down. They knew there was a gun range nearby when they built there, didn't they?

We also have "Stand Your Ground", and the "Castle Doctrine".

But we do have a local prosecutor who plea bargains almost every gun charge. The perp agrees to plead guilty to burglary, the gun charge is dropped, resulting in a much shorter prison sentence, maybe two years; (out in one year). Instead of the mandatory five years on a gun charge. But that prosecutor is tolerated because very few cases go to trial, which is expensive. But it does put violent criminals back on the streets much sooner.

So I appreciate living in a very pro-gun state.

And since you asked; I bought my first gun at a Western Auto store, and old surplus long barrel 98 Mauser, for around $18. I was 16, I think, at the time.

When I was in the 5th grade in Barstow, California, back in the 50's, several of us boys would bring our .22 rifles to school, leave them in the principal's office, and pick them up after school to go plinking in the desert. We all also carried pocket knives. Mine was a Barlow.

bet no one was stabbed

 

[Lursa]

I guess I should have expressed more about the freedoms accorded gun owners in my state. It's pretty good.

--I can carry almost anywhere except federal property and now we can carry in National Parks, altho not the buildings. (That's a federal statute).

--I can carry into a restaurant and have a drink if I want, cannot carry in "restricted to under 21 areas" like bars or bar areas in restaurants.

--We have open and concealed carry and the 'hoops' to get your cc permit are the minimum...just pass a background check. No training required and they must decide within 30 days. Mine came in 5 business days.

--Private businesses may post "no guns" but the signs carry no weight of law behind them. If a business owner objects and asks you to leave, you must or can be charged with trespassing.

--can get a permit for a silencer (there are practical reasons for having one)

 

[Glitch]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

I live in Alaska. Perhaps the most pro-Second Amendment State in the Union. Alaska acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms 14 years before the Supreme Court made their decision in Heller. I can carry anything I like, openly or concealed, and I do not need a permit.

I was born and raised in California. However, in 1989 when California illegally banned firearms that I had legally purchased in California years before, I knew it was time to leave. It took me two years, but in 1991 I moved to Alaska - with all my firearms.

One of the firearms on the 1989 California ban list was given to me by my father in 1964 for my 10th birthday. He bought me a Winchester Model 1912 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. The other firearm on California's illegal ban list was my Barreta 92F that I bought in California in 1980, while I was still on active duty in the Marine Corps.

I also bought a Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag. to hunt boar on Catalina Island, a Springfield Model 1903A3 .3006 cal. for hunting white tail deer, and a Remington Model 570 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. However, before moving to Alaska I figured I needed a couple more firearms specific for the environment I was moving into. So I bought a Remington .458 win mag., and a Mossberg Model 500 12-gauge pump-action shotgun.

The Mossberg was going to be my "camp gun" so I bought it with an 18.5" rifled barrel and an extended tube magazine so that it could hold a total of seven rounds. The Remington shotgun has a 28" barrel with a modified choke, and it is my primary bird gun.

I also bought a Remington Model 700 .300 win mag. after I arrived in Alaska specifically for moose. I use the Springfield .3006 for caribou.

I also sold the Remington .458 win mag about a decade ago. It was costing me $5+ per round to reload, and I had no intention of hunting brown bear. However, I did purchase an AR-12 in 2018 to replace the 28 year old Mossberg as my new camp gun. After carrying the Mossberg everywhere for 28 years, it was beginning to show considerable wear and tear. The AR-12 is lighter, synthetic and less prone to damage when compared to wood, holds 10-round magazines, and is much easier to reload if necessary. I also carry the Ruger .44 at all times, as back-up.

Firearms, to me, are merely tools to help me complete a job in the most efficient manner. I always try to find the right tool for the job. In most cases that job is to put food on the table.

Living in Alaska in particular you become very aware very quickly that if not for those tools, we would not be on top of the food chain.

 

[Glitch]

hopefully the new supreme court will start performing colonoscopies on states that piss all over their citizens' second amendment rights. Most of NYCs laws and much of NYSs laws, are blatantly unconstitutional. In a perfect world, those who passed that crap would be charged with treason and dealt with severely.

It is entirely the fault of the Supreme Court.

Had they completely incorporated the entire Bill of Rights and applied them to the States the instant the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, we would not have to deal with an additional 152 years of unconstitutional laws enacted by the States. However, because the Supreme Court decided to selectively incorporate the Bill of Rights, only after being brought before the court for review, we now have 231 years of unconstitutional State laws to undo instead of the 79 years of unconstitutional laws the States had implemented by 1867.

Treason may be a bit much, particularly when you consider that before 2010 the Second Amendment only applied to the federal government.

 

[Glitch]

When I was in the 5th grade in Barstow, California, back in the 50's, several of us boys would bring our .22 rifles to school, leave them in the principal's office, and pick them up after school to go plinking in the desert. We all also carried pocket knives. Mine was a Barlow.

My family moved to Nebraska in the late 1960s, and we use to bring our shotguns to school as well. This was high school, and we just left our shotguns in our cars. That way we could go pheasant hunting after school before our parents got home from work. Everyone also had pocket knives. The only knives the high school frowned on were the large Bowie knives that some would strap to their hip. If you left them in your wall-locker, you were okay. They just didn't like you walking around with a large knife strapped to your hip while classes were in session. Nobody was sent home, they were just asked to take them off and store them until the end of the school day.

Those were very different times.

 

[Luther]

I'm in New York state, and the democratic politicians that make the laws for the state, run the state, and enforce the laws for the state hate guns want more gun regulation and prohibition, and don't want us New Yorkers to have them in many circumstance if not all of them.

The New York "safe act" legislation that passed in the state some time ago had successfully limited many gun types, makes and models, and ammunition capacities form being able to be owned and carried by New Yorkers -- and the bureaucracy New York's have to go to be able to own a gun is arduous, time consuming, expensive, and in my opinion set up to try and dissuade New Yorker from attempting to own guns. In New York City, you're not able to like travel with a gun unless it's in a gun case I think and dismantled or the magazine or ammunitions for the gun are inside it, and you're not allowed to open, concealed, or carry on your person in any circumstance publicly or privately I think.

You also aren't allowed to shoot someone who enters your home without your permission, which is ridiculous. What is it like to like in a state that's pro gun? Are you pro-gun? Do you own a gun?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

When did you get your first gun? What are your gun laws like? Are you in a constitutional carry state? Permit needed state?

What do you need to do to get a gun? Be able to carry openly or concealed? Be able to stand your ground?

What gun do you own? Guns do you own? How long have you owned a gun?

What Guns?(LOL)

 

[Luther]

My family moved to Nebraska in the late 1960s, and we use to bring our shotguns to school as well. This was high school, and we just left our shotguns in our cars. That way we could go pheasant hunting after school before our parents got home from work. Everyone also had pocket knives. The only knives the high school frowned on were the large Bowie knives that some would strap to their hip. If you left them in your wall-locker, you were okay. They just didn't like you walking around with a large knife strapped to your hip while classes were in session. Nobody was sent home, they were just asked to take them off and store them until the end of the school day.

Those were very different times.

I have heard of students in Idaho in the old days bringing their Grandfathers WWII Gun souvenir to school for "Show and tell"

Can you imagine?

 

[RetiredUSN]

A lot of the people with strong gun control views are utterly ignorant about firearms too. You'll hear them try to talk about firearm specifics and just cringe heavily. It feels icky when people are making important decisions about things they know next to nothing about.

Who are these people that you speak of, and what specifics?

You don't have to be a firearm expert to be able to form a fact based opinion in regards to their use in society.

 

[Glitch]

--I can carry almost anywhere except federal property and now we can carry in National Parks, altho not the buildings. (That's a federal statute).

Actually, it is dependent on State law whether or not you can carry in a National Park. You still may not use a firearm in a National Park, even for self-defense, but depending on your State laws you can carry or transport firearms in a National Park.

--can get a permit for a silencer (there are practical reasons for having one)

Silencers are considered Title II weapon accessories under the National Firearms Act of 1968 and requires a Type 01 FFL with an ATF Form 4 (transfer of registration) with $200 tax stamp to purchase, and a Class 3 Special Occupation Tax to sell.

 

[Glitch]

I have heard of students in Idaho in the old days bringing their Grandfathers WWII Gun souvenir to school for "Show and tell"

Can you imagine?

I can indeed. Those were different times. Kids could bring firearms to school, and if you lived in a rural area, that was very common. Kids were taught from a very young age that firearms were tools, dangerous tools, not toys. I started at age 6 helping my father clean his firearms after he returned home from a hunt. It never even occurred to me as a kid to play with any real firearm, and they were just kept in the closet. So I had access any time I wanted.

 

[Glitch]

Who are these people that you speak of, and what specifics?

You don't have to be a firearm expert to be able to form a fact based opinion in regards to their use in society.

It certainly helps if they actually know something about firearms. When gun-control advocates start making references to "clips" instead of magazines, you can simply write them off as ignorant fools who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. The same thing is true for anyone arguing that cosmetic features determine whether a firearm is an "assault weapon" or not. These are the complete idiots and have no business discussing a topic they clearly know nothing about.

 

[RetiredUSN]

It certainly helps if they actually know something about firearms. When gun-control advocates start making references to "clips" instead of magazines, you can simply write them off as ignorant fools who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. The same thing is true for anyone arguing that cosmetic features determine whether a firearm is an "assault weapon" or not. These are the complete idiots and have no business discussing a topic they clearly know nothing about.

That is already a given.

But there are also law makers out there who vote on bills using common sense who have never fired a gun.

 

[Glitch]

That is already a given.

But there are also law makers out there who vote on bills using common sense who have never fired a gun.

The only "common sense" that matters is the part of the Second Amendment that says "shall not be infringed." Government may not restrict or limit the arms we keep and bear. Every law, State or federal, enacted to the contrary is a violation of the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment exist specifically to prohibit the government from interfering with our ancient individual right to keep and bear arms.

 

[RetiredUSN]

The only "common sense" that matters is the part of the Second Amendment that says "shall not be infringed." Government may not restrict or limit the arms we keep and bear. Every law, State or federal, enacted to the contrary is a violation of the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment exist specifically to prohibit the government from interfering with our ancient individual right to keep and bear arms.

There are plenty of common sense laws that apply to firearms.

For example............

Making a law for prohibiting firearms in a polling station is not infringing on your right to own & bear arms.

Local laws prohibiting firearms in a night club is not infringing on your right to own & bear arms.

Laws prohibiting firearms in court rooms is not infringing on your right to own & bear arms.


You don't need to be a firearm expert to make common sense laws......period.